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Strange also that all ten commandments are found in the new testament... including the sabbath.... For the saints "keep the commands and have the testimony of Jesus" and the angels crys out with a loud voice " worship the creator"
strange that the word Sabbath isnt there either....
 
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strange that the word Sabbath isnt there either....
There is only one directive on worshipping the creator since time immortal in the entire bible... didn't need to have the word sabbath in it .. every believer of that century knew how to worship the creator and what day. Too many lies have been told since then ... of course we have been warned about the delusion so that lies will be believed for truth.
 
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There is only one directive on worshipping the creator since time immortal in the entire bible... didn't need to have the word sabbath in it .. every believer of that century knew how to worship the creator and what day. Too many lies have been told since then ... of course we have been warned about the delusion so that lies will be believed for truth.
Romans 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
 
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One wonders why people ask for Scripture when they know they will just deny, or twist, what gets posted anyways.

So offering a different, Biblically centered viewpoint based on facts and not conjecture is a form of denial and twisting scripture?

Reminds me of that bumper sticker that people put on their cars, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it."

Fortunately I serve a God that expects us to reason with Him, not accept the status quo.
 
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I guess if someone doesnt fear the almighty God,Creator and Master of the Universe enough ...to the point of making Him a triune entity(and calling the distinct 3 entities "persons")
they also would not Fear Him enough to actually type Blasphemy like....
"Reminds me of that bumper sticker that people put on their cars, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it."
Fortunately I serve a God that expects us to reason with Him, not accept the status quo."

May the wrathful God forgive us all
 
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I guess if someone doesnt fear the almighty God,Creator and Master of the Universe enough ...to the point of making Him a triune entity(and calling the distinct 3 entities "persons")
they also would not Fear Him enough to actually type Blasphemy like....
"Reminds me of that bumper sticker that people put on their cars, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it."
Fortunately I serve a God that expects us to reason with Him, not accept the status quo."

May the wrathful God forgive us all
This statement boards on breaking the Nicene Creed ruling
 
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I'm a very poor reader.can you help me and show me where paul,or even James or peter or john actually mention we have to observe the 7th day.it must be in there somewhere.maybe even when the council @ jerusalem was convened especially for this purpose.can you help me brother by directing me to those passages that state breaking a 7th day sabbath after jesus was crucified was sin.thank you
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Yes you are a VERY POOR READER!
The post before the one that confused you was short and sweet. Here it is again;
"When in doubt we can always look to scriptures for the latter days to get our 'context'"

Then we have Isaiah chapter 66

You do not need to be told by "paul,or even James or peter or john actually ", ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE WILL DO IF IT IS IN 'LATTER DAY CHRONOLOGY'"

You are right about one thing;
"YOU ARE A VERY POOR READER"
 
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God’s Holy Sabbath is just as binding as “You shall not kill” or “You shall not commit adultery.”

In Gen. 2:2-3 God creates the Sabbath. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified, it (set it apart for a Holy purpose) because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
Then in Ex. 20:11 referring to the creation of the Sabbath God says, 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (made it holy)

In Ex. 16 Here God reintroduces the Sabbath to Israel after they had been in captivity in Egypt and had lost knowledge of the true God and His Sabbath. Beginning in verse 4 God puts the people of Israel to a test to see if they will obey His Law. 4 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. In verse 5 God says He will give them twice as much manna on the sixth day of each week so they will have food on the Sabbath because He would not rain manna on the Sabbath. In verse 27 some of them rebelled and then in verse 28 God asks, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? Did you know God kept on raining manna six days a week and not on the Sabbath for forty years. God repeated this miracle week after week for forty years to show just how serious He is about His Sabbath. Let’s not forget that all these things were written for our admonition.
(1Cor. 10:11)

Here, several weeks before God gives Moses the Ten Commandments God says that Israel was already refusing to keep His commandments, specifically the Sabbath.

God’s Law has always been and always will be until all is completed. (Mat.5:18) God reveals His Law because it is good for us and our descendents forever. Deut. 5:29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
In Mal. 3:6 God says I change not. Heb 13:8 says that Jesus is same yesterday, today and forever.

God calls The Sabbath, My Sabbath many times. Some examples can be found in Ex. 31:13, Lev 19:3, 30 Lev. 26:2. Jesus claimed the Sabbath was His when He said that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Mk. 2:28. In verse 27 Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for mankind.
I know that most people don’t understand that God’s Law is a blessing not a curse. 1Jo. 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. The blessing of God’s Law stands second only to Christ’s sacrifice for us.

Since Jesus said in Mat. 22:37 “You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.”
And since God says in Jer.17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
And since we know that God is love. 1Jo. 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
I think it’s rather obvious that we should follow Jesus’ example in all we do including keeping His Sabbath. Especially since His first four commandments are the very basics of how to love God.
Disobedience to God does not show love toward Him.

Jesus left us an example that we should follow in His footsteps. Now we know that Jesus kept the Sabbath. It was His custom: His way of life. Lk. 4:14-16 Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region. 15 And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all.
16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written.....

Paul followed in Jesus’ footsteps Act.17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures. Note Act. 13:42-44 42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue,[j] the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. Notice Paul did not say “don’t worry about that Sabbath thing, come in tomorrow on the first day of the week and I’ll hold services then.”

Again in Act. 18:4 . 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Some will quote “the church fathers” as if they were apostles of Christ. They were not! They were leaders of the fallen woman at Rome. I choose to believe and obey God rather men.
 
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Some people think that Paul did away with the Sabbath
and other biblical Holy Days when he wrote in Romans 14:5-6: that “One person esteems
“one day” above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does
not observe it”

They think that Paul is referring to God’s Sabbaths even though the Sabbath is not mentioned in the
whole book of Romans.
Paul and the other New Testament writers did not call the Sabbath “one day
Did you know that Paul quotes from the Old Testament 84 times in this one letter to support his teaching.
He never thought for one moment of doing away with the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.

Paul, while in Corinth, “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath,
and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts18:1, 4).
Did he write to the church in Rome to tell them Sabbath-keeping was irrelevant while teaching
Jews and gentiles “every Sabbath” in Corinth? I don’t think so. No matter where Paul went, the book of
Acts shows Paul’s custom was to keep the fourth commandment / Sabbath (Acts 17:2).

We can not make anything holy. Yet we are commanded to remember the Sabbath and to
keep it holy. We can’t keep something holy that God has not made holy. If you look in Lev. 23:1-2
you will learn that, God calls His weekly Sabbath and annual Feast days His. They are not
Israel’s or the Jew’s. They are God’s

Our example is this: Follow it or not, it’s up to you.
Lk.4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was,
He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
Act. 17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica,
where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for
three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act. 13:42-44 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might
be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews
and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue
in the grace of God.
44 On the
next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Act. 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily
made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Act. 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now in verse 11 we read that Paul lived there for a year and six months. Since he “reasoned in the synagogue
every Sabbath” that’s 78 weekly Sabbaths and about 10 annual Sabbaths.


Further proof that this common interpretation of Romans 14 is wrong can be found in
Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians. He wrote this epistle in or around A.D. 55, shortly before
he came to Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:5-6) on the visit during which he would write his epistle
to the Romans. What do we find he tells the Corinthians in this letter?
• He tells them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread in the proper manner,
understanding its spiritual intent (1 Corinthians
5:7-8; compare Leviticus 23:6). • He instructs them on how to keep the
New Testament Passover as a commemoration of Jesus Christ’s death (1 Corinthians
11:23-30).
• He reminds them that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
• He writes that he intends to journey to them, but that he will first stay in Ephesus until
after the biblical Feast of Pentecost has passed
(1 Corinthians 16:8).
If you accept the common misinterpretation of the book of Romans, you would have to
conclude that Paul instructed the Corinthians in how to properly observe the Passover, that
he told them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread, and that he noted he was
staying in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecost—and the very next year wrote
to the Romans that none of this mattered and was all unnecessary.
On the other hand, if you understand Paul’s teaching to the Romans as it is truthfully
presented in this chapter, you will see complete agreement between his actions and the letters
he wrote to Church members both in Rome and Corinth.
 
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Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.

Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.”

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.

If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!
 
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Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.

Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.”

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.

If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!
hey,
when i was studying wwcg material i saw this argument.sounds great except that when the Judaizers that came before you were pressing the Gentiles to pretty much convert to judaism to be christian.it was settled early on at the council of Jerusalem.so yes im sorry to have to tell you that the ceremonial Law was wiped out man,sorry to be the bearer of bad news.i realize its hard to feel Religious if we are not passing by the Pork in the Grocery store head held high and feeling very good about ourselves not even the slightest temptation...lol,and oh the poor souls that are buying those nasty shrimp.we lose that oh so Religious feeling if we cant tell the Boss or the cousin that we cant really do anything on Saturday.myself i struggle to get that Religious Feeling these days when i am really doing nothing Religious.taking the neighbor a plate of food every so many days,(they do the same)and stopping myself from hating my "Brother" even though i'm pretty upset is not satisfying my Religiousness -fix sorry to say
so you may have a point
 
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Should Christians keep the seventh day Sabbath holy?

.

What are your thoughts?

gal 2:21

law was made for the unrighteous man.. 1 tim 1:9


we are to rest every day ...in our position in Christ
 
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If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!
As far as the Law being for the unrighteous Ro.3:10 says none are righteous, but I'm sure it's not talking about you.
Also Patty, you should check out Posts #148 and 149.
 
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gal 2:21

law was made for the unrighteous man.. 1 tim 1:9


we are to rest every day ...in our position in Christ
AMEN!!

We are so free in Christ and such legalism saddens me.
 
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Patty,

it was settled early on at the council of Jerusalem.so yes im sorry to have to tell you that the ceremonial Law was wiped out man,sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Why did the Council at Jerusalem require the new converts to still keep some of the Mosiac law? Namely, eating foods sacrificed to idols, eating blood and eating strangled meats?

The Jerusalem Council also said nothing about the other Ten Commandments. Then gave no instruction to keep them. Were they giving their approval to abandone them?
 
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The fourth commandments says, "Six days you shall do all your work but on the seventh day you shall call holy and do no work. In other words, take this day and set it aside for the whole family of God to gather in loving obedience to the creator of heaven and earth. There is nothing in this commandment that says anything about driving or walking to far on the Sabbath. Jesus cleared up any confusion we would have when He said.

Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, "I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?''

Is it evil to drive to church or visit a nursing home or a prison on the Sabbath?

Is it evil to feed your animals, care for your family or fix a flat tire on the Sabbath?

No it's not. Why?

Because Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabath. In other words, there will be things that will need to be done even though it's the Sabbath so don't let legalistic, religious man put you under condemnation. Jesus' yoke is easy and His burden is light.

It's all so very simple. Set the seventh day aside in honor of God's word by not doing your normal business that you do the other six days. Bingo, you just pleased God...:bow:

Sorry about the late response.

To whom were the Sabbath Day Law given. I am neither a Jew or spiritual Jew.
 
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Patty,



Why did the Council at Jerusalem require the new converts to still keep some of the Mosiac law? Namely, eating foods sacrificed to idols, eating blood and eating strangled meats?

The Jerusalem Council also said nothing about the other Ten Commandments. Then gave no instruction to keep them. Were they giving their approval to abandone them?
Because they needed a way to tell them apart from their Pagan neighbors....lol.think about the actual list bro
 
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Some people think that Paul did away with the Sabbath
and other biblical Holy Days when he wrote in Romans 14:5-6: that “One person esteems
“one day” above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does
not observe it”

They think that Paul is referring to God’s Sabbaths even though the Sabbath is not mentioned in the
whole book of Romans.
Paul and the other New Testament writers did not call the Sabbath “one day
Did you know that Paul quotes from the Old Testament 84 times in this one letter to support his teaching.
He never thought for one moment of doing away with the Sabbath or any other of the Ten Commandments.

Paul, while in Corinth, “reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath,
and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts18:1, 4).
Did he write to the church in Rome to tell them Sabbath-keeping was irrelevant while teaching
Jews and gentiles “every Sabbath” in Corinth? I don’t think so. No matter where Paul went, the book of
Acts shows Paul’s custom was to keep the fourth commandment / Sabbath (Acts 17:2).

We can not make anything holy. Yet we are commanded to remember the Sabbath and to
keep it holy. We can’t keep something holy that God has not made holy.If you look in Lev. 23:1-2
you will learn that, God calls His weekly Sabbath and annual Feast days His. They are not
Israel’s or the Jew’s. They are God’s

Our example is this: Follow it or not, it’s up to you.
Lk.4:16 So He (Jesus) came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was,
He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
Act. 17:1-2 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica,
where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for
three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Act. 13:42-44 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might
be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews
and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue
in the grace of God.
44 On the
next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Act. 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily
made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.
Act. 18:4And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Now in verse 11 we read that Paul lived there for a year and six months. Since he “reasoned in the synagogue
every Sabbath”that’s 78 weekly Sabbaths and about 10 annual Sabbaths.


Further proof that this common interpretation of Romans 14 is wrong can be found in
Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians. He wrote this epistle in or around A.D. 55, shortly before
he came to Corinth (1 Corinthians 16:5-6) on the visit during which he would write his epistle
to the Romans. What do we find he tells the Corinthians in this letter?
• He tells them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread in the proper manner,
understanding its spiritual intent (1 Corinthians
5:7-8; compare Leviticus 23:6). • He instructs them on how to keep the
New Testament Passover as a commemoration of Jesus Christ’s death (1 Corinthians
11:23-30).
• He reminds them that “Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us” (1 Corinthians 5:7).
• He writes that he intends to journey to them, but that he will first stay in Ephesus until
after the biblical Feast of Pentecost has passed
(1 Corinthians 16:8).
If you accept the common misinterpretation of the book of Romans, you would have to
conclude that Paul instructed the Corinthians in how to properly observe the Passover, that
he told them to keep the biblical Feast of Unleavened Bread, and that he noted he was
staying in Ephesus until after the biblical Feast of Pentecost—and the very next year wrote
to the Romans that none of this mattered and was all unnecessary.
On the other hand, if you understand Paul’s teaching to the Romans as it is truthfully
presented in this chapter, you will see complete agreement between his actions and the letters
he wrote to Church members both in Rome and Corinth.
Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

No way to put a spin on this one,Mate.
 
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