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Is the fourth commandment done away with? (Moved)

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Can you murder? Lie? Worship idols? Covet your neighbors goods? You are fully under the law if you break the law.



The Jerusalem council didn't mention murder, lying, coveting, dishonoring parents, or stealing.

Were they condoning these behaviors?
Why are they (2) Mosaic laws required to be observed by the Gentiles?



You aren't free to break any law you want! :eek:



Sounds like the religion of man and not the commandments of God.
like i said all the sins you mentioned just now that you say were not mentioned at the council at Jerusalem.,are mentioned repeatedly throughout the NT from the book of Acts on as sins...but never sabbath breaking,ever,ever,ever.
 
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you know ive studied EGW for more than a while now.and study the SDA in a fair to middlin way also.
I say if you keep a 7th day sabbath its okay for you(but not mandatory).but your group (and apparently you)teache(s) that sunday keepers will be annihilated for receiving the mark of the Beast .
pretty ridiculous stuff actually.now as ive said sunday is not a sabbath,nor the Lords day mentioned in scripture.
i wonder why some people dont go all the way an emasculate themselves
 
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you know ive studied EGW for more than a while now.and study the SDA in a fair to middlin way also.
I say if you keep a 7th day sabbath its okay for you(but not mandatory).but your group (and apparently you)teache(s) that sunday keepers will be annihilated for receiving the mark of the Beast .
pretty ridiculous stuff actually.now as ive said sunday is not a sabbath,nor the Lords day mentioned in scripture.
i wonder why some people dont go all the way an emasculate themselves
ouch

no thanks
 
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you know ive studied EGW for more than a while now.and study the SDA in a fair to middlin way also
.

That's great.

I say if you keep a 7th day sabbath its okay for you(but not mandatory).but your group (and apparently you)teache(s) that sunday keepers will be annihilated for receiving the mark of the Beast .

have you seen me say that?

pretty ridiculous stuff actually.

everyone's entitled to an opinion.

now as ive said sunday is not a sabbath,nor the Lords day mentioned in scripture.

This is true.

i wonder why some people dont go all the way an emasculate themselves

I bet. Most likely it's because it was never a requirement for following the Lord or becoming a COI.
 
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That's great.



have you seen me say that?



everyone's entitled to an opinion.



This is true.



I bet. Most likely it's because it was never a requirement for following the Lord or becoming a COI.
yes i didnt mean to generalize about you,thought about it after the fact.I apologize.
the most interesting thing about EGW and her hubby and close friends in the beginning were that they were not trinitarians.people have said they renounced that early on for acceptance from the mainstreamers...who really know.back to topic.i'm happy that God in His Wisdom and Love for us rascals gave us a progressive,ritual-free
Faith where the way we treat other people and behave in general is the most important thing.and not swinging a chicken over our heads dressed in grass skirts or daveting,or not even turning on a light switch on a certain day to avoid laboring,etc
Hear o Israel our God is one..love the Lord God with all your Heart,and all.......,and love your Neighbor as yourselves
its a Beautiful thing babe....loool
 
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yes i didnt mean to generalize about you,thought about it after the fact.I apologize.

No sweat.

the most interesting thing about EGW and her hubby and close friends in the beginning were that they were not trinitarians.people have said they renounced that early on for acceptance from the mainstreamers...who really know.

You have to be careful these days with the trinity. Some people are given to believe that's Father God, Mama God and Baby God.

back to topic.i'm happy that God in His Wisdom and Love for us rascals gave us a progressive,ritual-free
Faith where the way we treat other people and behave in general is the most important thing.and not swinging a chicken over our heads dressed in grass skirts or daveting,or not even turning on a light switch on a certain day to avoid laboring,etc

Me to.

Hear o Israel our God is one..love the Lord God with all your Heart,and all.......,and love your Neighbor as yourselves
its a Beautiful thing babe....loool

Funny how everything "Old" Testament is "New" Testament again.
 
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No sweat.



You have to be careful these days with the trinity. Some people are given to believe that's Father God, Mama God and Baby God.



Me to.



Funny how everything "Old" Testament is "New" Testament again.
see how easy it is to chill out and get along?....lol
we hit on the important stuff and voila!!(adjusts beret...),were reminded Jesus was sacrificed for us s c uzz bags and paid a price.

dont ask me to not work on Saturday and i will oblige by hanging out on my patio on the 7th day
grillin some pork ribs.and out of respect for you ,you wont get an invite(causing a brother to stumble i take seriously actually)......lol
God truely is a good God ,man...
 
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The moral principle has remained the same whilst the day has changed through Christ.....

Thoughts/questions:

When did Christ specifically change the law? When/where? Use scripture if possible.

Didn't Jesus say regarding the communion service, "This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me."

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

If Jesus was up to changing the sabbath day why didn't He say something at this point? It seems He missed an excellent opportunity to do so.

ROME'S CHALLENGE
Why Do Protestants Keep Sunday?
 
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loool.well you get the point.why not go all the way.btw,i just got home a bit ago and came in this thread...i only read a few of your recent posts...nice,man
Yep, if you're going to place yourself under the Law then you have to keep it all or be guilty of all. And Christ came because that is an impossibility...and even harder now with no temple.



Thanks!


OK, back to car shopping. Ya'll have a blessed day.
 
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Yep, if you're going to place yourself under the Law then you have to keep it all or be guilty of all. And Christ came because that is an impossibility...and even harder now with no temple.

Sure there's a temple. You're one of the stones in the building.

Thanks!


OK, back to car shopping. Ya'll have a blessed day.

Speaking of cars for just a second, if you always obey the traffic laws once you get that new car, what's the chance you will ever be given a ticket?

Will you be 'under the traffic laws' if you never get a ticket?
 
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When did Christ specifically change the law? When/where? Use scripture if possible.

Jonathan Edwards has done this in his The Perpetuity and Change of the Sabbath. :thumbsup:

Didn't Jesus say regarding the communion service, "This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me." ... If Jesus was up to changing the sabbath day why didn't He say something at this point? It seems He missed an excellent opportunity to do so.

This is a non-argument.
 
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Neither are these.

"In Jesus Christ, there is a new creation and a new redemption. That occurs on the first day of the week. Therefore, the day has changed from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week."

As it is said in the forum world: "Scripture Please!"
 
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As it is said in the forum world: "Scripture Please!"

As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him (Exodus 20:8, 10, 11; Isaiah 56:2, 4, 6, 7): which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week (Genesis 2:2, 3; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:1, 2), which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s Day (Revelation 1:10), and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 10, with Matthew 5:17, 18).
 
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As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him (Exodus 20:8, 10, 11; Isaiah 56:2, 4, 6, 7): which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week;

Yep.

and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week

Nope:

Genesis 2:2, 3;
God did not bless and sanctify any other day except the seventh-day.

Gen 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Acts 20:7;

8) Acts 20:6-13
This was Paul's last meeting with a small group of believers in “Troas.” It was at night (20:7-8), on the “first day of the week.” Biblically, the day begins at sunset. Genesis 1:5, 8; Luke 23:54, etc. Therefore this meeting took place on a Saturday night. The New English Bible says, “on Saturday night.” Paul preached his farewell sermon, “ready to depart on the morrow.” Sunday morning, at the “break of day,” while Luke “sailed,” Paul began his 25 mile trip “to Assos.” Thus Paul travelled many miles that Sunday. He had been in Troas for “seven days” (vs. 6). A simple count reveals that they arrived on the previous Sunday, stayed for a week, and had their last meeting on that Saturday night, which would have been right after the Sabbath. Not far from Troas, Paul kept the Sabbath. Acts 16:11-13. The book of Acts mentions Sunday only 1 time, yet the Sabbath is mentioned 11 times (1:12; 13:14, 27, 42, 44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4). A careful study of this “Saturday Night in Troas - Sunday Travel to Assos” account is proof that Paul did not keep Sunday holy.


1 Corinthians 16:1, 2),

7) 1 Corinthians 16:2
“Concerning the collection for the saints” (vs. 1). The context and other Scriptures reveal that Paul was raising a “collection” for needy believers in “Jerusalem” (vs. 3) during a time of famine. See Acts 11:27-30; Romans 15:25-26. On “the first day of the week” (Sunday), “let every one” (individually), “lay by him” (Lit. Greek “at home”), “in store” (in storage), a certain amount. The Greek “by him in store” reveals that this was to be done in their homes. The first day of the week was ideal for the Corinthian believers to look back on the previous week, examine their finances, and set aside a weekly contribution. This would then be gathered and made ready for Paul, “that there be no gatherings when I come.” Paul was going to pass through Corinth. He wanted the money ready for him to pick up. This was an emergency situation and not their regular practice, for Paul had to give them “orders” to do what they were not normally doing (vs. 1). Paul said nothing here about a church service or the resurrection.

which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s Day (Revelation 1:10),

Isa 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

as the Christian Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 10, with Matthew 5:17, 18).

No such thing as a "Christian sabbath."
 
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Strange also that all ten commandments are found in the new testament... including the sabbath.... For the saints "keep the commands and have the testimony of Jesus" and the angels crys out with a loud voice " worship the creator"
 
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