Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!

[BrightCandle]

The quote copied below is from one of Martin Luther's last books. It was titled: "A Prelude by Martin Luther on the Babylonian Captivity of the Church".

Page 536, chapter 3.

"Nevertheless, since few know this glory of baptism and the blessedness of Christian liberty, and cannot know them because of the tyranny of the pope, I for one will walk away from it all and redeem my conscience by bringing this charge against the pope and all his papists: Unless they will abolish their laws and traditions, and restore to Christ's churches their liberty and have it taught among them, they are guilty of all the souls that perish under this miserable captivity, and the papacy is truly the kingdom of Babylon, yes, the kingdom of the real Antichrist! For who is " the man of sin" and "the son of perdition" but he that with his doctrines and his laws increases sins and the perdition of souls in the Church, while he sits in the Church as if he were God? All this the papal tyranny has fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, these many centuries. It has extinguished faith, obscured the sacraments and oppressed the Gospel."

 

[Avatar]

The Pope is the antiChrist? How original.

 

[Rhamiel]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
he also wrote a book on the Jews

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Pope is the antiChrist? How original.

No worries mate. Bush is in the lead for it now.

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Btw, I am "defending" the Roman church over on this thread. They moved it to the eschaology "guru" board LOL.

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

 

[BrightCandle]

The Pope is the antiChrist? How original.

Yes, it is comes from an original work of Martin Luther. The sad fact is that the majority of Protestant and Evangelical Christians don't even know that Luther ID'd the Antichrist long before Futuristic and Preteristic theological deceptions evolved. Its time to go "back to the future" to gain understanding of prophecy.

 

[Avatar]

No worries mate. Bush is in the lead for it now.

I would have thought Hillary would be top choice.

 

[Thekla]

is it possible to list here all claims for who the antichrist is ?

 

[BrightCandle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
he also wrote a book on the Jews

Yes, Luther had his faults. But, Luther was "spot on" when it came to identifying the Antichrist. Additionally, almost all of the other Reformers of the 16th century also held the same view of the Papacy as Luther.

 

[Avatar]

is it possible to list here all claims for who the antichrist is ?

My personal guess is Brittney Spears.

 

[BrightCandle]

is it possible to list here all claims for who the antichrist is ?

That would cause a lot of confusion. The key is to look at the long view of sacred and secular history and compare the key texts dealing with the Antichrist in the Bible. The Historicist view point of Bible prophecy is the most balanced and safe way to interpret because it looks at the past, the present, and the future, which provide much greater evidence to base your final conclusions on.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

is it possible to list here all claims for who the antichrist is ?

My own best personal Scriptural choice would be this Dude in Luke 16:24.

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said: "Father Abraham! be you merciful to-me! and send Lazarus!, that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water, and should be cooling down the tongue of me,--that I am being pained/odunwmai <3600> (5743) in the flame/flogi, this."...................
29 Saying to him, Abraham: "They are having Moses and the Prophets: Let them hearken to them"!

Reve 14:11 And the Smoke of the Tormenting/basanismou <929> of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having rest Day and Night

http://foru.ms/t4437955-lazarus-and-the-rich-man.html

 

[Tonks]

I've always wondered why the SDAs were so obsessed with Catholicism. Of all the groups out there they are - by far - the ones that I find less concerned with actual preaching (unless it involves Sabbath worship) and more concerned about yelling about the Catholic Church.

The Pope as Anti-Christ is the confessional belief of several protestant denominations. In the past several hundred years or so, however, they've sort of gotten beyond that sticking point and have preached Christ as the physician of men...and have gotten on with the business of savlation.

I don't yet detect any sort of theological or doctrinal maturing out of the Adventist groups yet. Pretty sad, really.

When a group defines themselves more by what they are not instead of what they are I generally find it to be good advice that one should run, not walk, in the opposite direction.

 

[CaDan]

I've always wondered why the SDAs were so obsessed with Catholicism. Of all the groups out there they are - by far - the ones that I find less concerned with actual preaching (unless it involves Sabbath worship) and more concerned about yelling about the Catholic Church.

The Pope as Anti-Christ is the confessional belief of several protestant denominations. In the past several hundred years or so, however, they've sort of gotten beyond that sticking point and have preached Christ as the physician of men...and have gotten on with the business of savlation.

I don't yet detect any sort of theological or doctrinal maturing out of the Adventist groups yet. Pretty sad, really.

When a group defines themselves more by what they are not instead of what they are I generally find it to be good advice that one should run, not walk, in the opposite direction.

If the Pope is the Antichrist (and has been for a couple of centuries), doesn't that play havoc with Millerite eschatological timetables?

 

[lionroar0]

All we need now is a poll.

Peace

 

[Tonks]

If the Pope is the Antichrist (and has been for a couple of centuries), doesn't that play havoc with Millerite eschatological timetables?

Don't get me started...

 

[Melethiel]

Re. Luther....context is everything.
(Personally, I think Pope Benny is terrific...)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

All we need now is a poll.

Peace

I have coffee and donuts over here on this thread poll.

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

 

[CaDan]

Don't get me started...

*drops a quarter in Tonks's slot and pulls the big handle*

 

[Rhamiel]

what is the SDA sticking up for Luther,
Luther worshiped on Sunday
And Hated Jews,
neither of these things SDA stands for

 

[E.C.]

You know who I think one Anti-Christ figure could be? Charlemagne. Or whoever it was that first butchered Church History for their own agenda.