The Three-Legged Stool of Apostasy

[digdeep]

That double talk won't work here. You are trying to leave a way out.

what?

 

[sentipente]

Do you agree that He saved all men two thousand years ago?

 

[digdeep]

Do you agree that He saved all men two thousand years ago?

yes and that the gospel message we are to give to the world.

"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor 5:18 -21

 

[sentipente]

That's all that needs to be said, DD, until some try to put a spin on it.

 

[digdeep]

That's all that needs to be said, DD, until some try to put a spin on it.

What kind of spin?

 

[sentipente]

The spin is that what Christ did has not power until humans help him out.

 

[digdeep]

The spin is that what Christ did has not power until humans help him out.

ok I understand. How do you see faith?

 

[sentipente]

ok I understand. How do you see faith?

Please explain the relevance of the question.

 

[digdeep]

Please explain the relevance of the question.

do you see faith as a way to help God save us?

 

[Adventtruth]

That's all that needs to be said, DD, until some try to put a spin on it.

Unless you explain the To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them... (2Co 5:19) It could be understood that you are spining this text from what you are suggesting.

And how do you reconcile it with Pauls doctrine of imputation here?

(Rom 4:4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
(Rom 4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(Rom 4:6) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
(Rom 4:7) Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
(Rom 4:8) Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


AT

 

[sentipente]

do you see faith as a way to help God save us?

You are using the word but I am not sure you are describing faith. Faith is something everyone has and exercises.

 

[sentipente]

AT, what do you think Paul is an authority on?

 

[Adventtruth]

AT, what do you think Paul is an authority on?

sentipente, if you could be so kind as to explain what you ment in that posting, I think we could move on. I hope you are not throwing up a Red Herring.

AT

 

[sentipente]

AT, my point is that merely citing something that Paul said about the plan of salvation does not settle the truth about salvation. We would do well to take note of Paul's admission that he "saw through a glass darkly."

 

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Hi.
The ten commandments are the "Words of the Covenant". Deut (chapter 5?)
Ok. Let each be convinced in their own minds.

Where do you get the idea it is the ten He writes on the heart?

There is nothing in Romans 14 about new moons or high sabbaths.

Where does Paul say the law of God is the ten? Please quote.

Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. Ex 34:27, 28

The Bible disagrees with you as it clearly states that the covenant was the 10 commandments (at least). If you would like more references I will post them as this is NOT the only passage stating it.

Also, I can show you that breaking the 10 commandments was breaking the covenant. Would you like those references too?

In Christ alone...

The laws that were done away with at the cross were Mosaic laws, they pointed to Messiah come.
The Passover, involved His people’s freedom from Egypt at midnight.
See Exodus 11: 4. 12: 29.
Also Exodus 12: 11, 21, 27, 43, 49. 34: 25.
The Passover preparation day, where Jesus was crucified and died and was buried on ‘the feast of Unleavened bread to the Lord.’ A High Sabbath where Jesus was buried, that evening. See Matthew 27: 57, 58. After three nights and three days He rose.

Our Redeemer saving us from the second death, sin’s snare.
Also circumcision was done away with at the cross.

The Bible, is a Jewish book not a Gentile one. The only Gentile that wrote in the Bible was Nebuchadnezzar.
When the Jews, read the book they read about themselves when we read it, it is about their traditions.
We Gentiles are invited in but Gentiles like to turn the book from Jewish into a Gentile book. Calling the Passover ‘Easter’ and celebrating it with a pagan tradition of the Easter egg based on fertility is senseless to me.

The Temple services and times and types are prophetic if you can bear that.

Paul was NOT talking about the commandment Sabbath.
Any serious Bible student would know that ‘NEW MOONS’ do not govern the WEEKLY SABBATH.

Col 2: 11 – 14. Please look at the context of these verses.
Col 2: 13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

These that were blotted out? The handwritten Temple ordinances as we shall see as we work through this.
Col 2: 14. BLOTTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS;

This next verse, to be consistent with Paul and Jesus, must be about the High Sabbaths NOT the commandment weekly Sabbath

Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect OF AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH.

The HIGH SABBATHS in the above verse were governed by a new moon.

Paul, was absolutely consistent with Jesus, in this.

John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

For Paul to be consistent in Romans 14: 5, with Jesus, he must mean High Sabbaths, as he did in Col 2: 16.
Romans 14: 5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Paul in Romans 14: 5. could not, would dare not be speaking of the fourth commandment otherwise he would be contradicting himself and Jesus.

Romans 3: 31. Do we then make VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? God forbid: yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

To pull Romans 14: 5. out of context causes confusion, where there is none if the Bible, were read correctly.

As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments were part of the agreement of loving HIM.

John 14: 15. If you love Me, keep My commandments.
I could stop here but I want to drive the point home a little more.

John 14: 21. He who has MY COMMANDMENTS AND KEEPS THEM, IT IS HE WHO LOVES ME. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

It was Jesus, that said these following words to John.
Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Now to remain consistent I will highlight the following.

Jeremiah 31: 31. “Behold, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31: 32. “NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THAT DAY I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.
My covenant which they broke, though I WAS A HUSBAND TO THEM, says the LORD.”

( See Ezekiel 16: to recognise the harlot BRIDE then see Rev 17: not now, but later please)

Jeremiah 31: 33. “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, and WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, and they shall be My people.”

Jeremiah 31: 34. “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR ENIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

Temple times and service of the Priest entering the holy of holies on the day of Atonement was done away with at the cross.
Again Paul, is being quite consistent in this matter along with Jesus and John, just look at the Temple references here.
I will quote Hebrews 8: 10 – 16 – 19. at the near end of my reply so there is no doubt from where I come on this matter.


Jeremiah 31: 33. repeated in Heb 10:
Hebrews 10: 31. “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32“NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY I TOOK THEM by the hand to lead them OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, My COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.

33“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD:

I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34“No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

Paul now speaks of the ‘Mosaic laws’ Temple services of atonement carried out behind the veil that only the High Priest could enter which are now done away with at the cross.
( They used to place a rope around the Priest in case he died so they could pull him out without going behind the veil. )

Hebrews 10: 19. Therefore, brethren, having boldness TO ENTER THE HOLIEST BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS, 20. by a NEW LIVING WAY which HE CONSECRATED FOR US, THROUGH THE VEIL, that is, HIS FLESH, 21. and having a HIGH PRIEST over the house of God,

 

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Baptism.
22. let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

The sin offering was also done away with at the cross.

The sacrifice on the preparation day called THE PASSOVER and the next day a HIGH SABBATH OF ULNEAVENED BREAD unto the Lord and all the others THAT POINTED TO HIS SACRIFICE were done away with.

HE WAS THE PASSOVER LAMB of God. His body the bread His blood sprinkled on the door posts represented as the wine, He is Our Redeemer.

The ‘Mosaic Laws’ pointed to ‘Messiah come’ that was its purpose.
Gal 3: 23. But before faith came, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, SHUT UP TO THE FAITH WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED.
Gal 3: 24. Wherefore THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOL MASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

Gal 3: 25. But AFTER THAT FAITH IS COME, we are no longer under a SCHOOLMASTER.

Gal 3: 26. “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
To me in understanding this enhances our understanding.

Luke 16: 31. And he said unto him, IF THEY HEAR NO MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

When did a substitute sacrifice for our sins become necessary for man’s salvation?
The moment Adam and Eve broke one simple commandment not to eat from or touch the tree of knowledge.

Gen 3: 15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise THY HEAD, and THOU SHALT BRUISE HIS HEEL.

We are told to ‘repent’ repeatedly in the New Testament.

So what laws are going to be written in our hearts and minds, new laws that we have never heard of, no I don’t think so, they will be the ten commandments those that we will keep when we are changed in the blinking of an eye.
Confirmation of the commandment keeping is found in the following.

2 John 4: 5. And now I beseech thee, lady, NOT as though I wrote A NEW COMMANDMENT unto thee, but that which WE HAD FROM THE BEGINNING, that we love one another.

2 John 4: 6. And this IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard FROM THE BEGINNING, YE SHOULD WALK IN IT.

2 John 4: 7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

2 John 4: 8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

2 John 4: 9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.


What doctrine is of the Christ, if we love Him?
Reminder. John 14: 15. “IF YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.”

Paul said ‘we uphold the law’ after Jesus died and was resurrected. Does anyone think that we can murder or bear false witness or blaspheme and be a part of God’s family. The word ‘repent’ is used in the New Testament many times.
With that in mind please read the following.

Romans 3: 26. “To declare, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
Romans 3: 27. “Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? OF WORKS? Nay: but by THE LAW OF FAITH.”

Romans 3: 28. “Therefore we conclude that a MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAWS.”

Romans 3: 29. “the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:”

Romans 3: 30. “Seeing it is one God, which shall justify THE CIRCUMCISION BY FAITH, and UNCIRCUMCISION THROUGH FAITH.”

Look at the context by which he speaks of the only law remaining, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS after the Mosaic law was done away with at the cross.

Romans 3: 31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we ESTABLISH THE LAW.
Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments were part of the agreement of loving HIM.

John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

John 14: 21. He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
The remnant are described as keeping and having two things.

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Now to remain consistent I will highlight.

 

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Who are they that will remain outside the city, look at the characteristics they have which are contrary to the commandments.

Rev 21: 8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Now understanding these things, how should we now read Hebrews 8: knowing Paul was in harmony with Christ’s words when HE said ‘if you love me keep my commandments?’

Hebrews 8: 7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for THE SECOND.

Hebrews 8: 8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, THE DAYS COME, saith the Lord, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Note the time of when that covenant was made in the next verse.

Hebrews 8: 9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; because THEY CONTINUED NOT IN MY COVENANT, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Hebrews 8: 10. For this is the covenant that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, and WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I WILL BE TO THEM A GOD, and they shall be to me a people:

Hebrews 8: 11. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, from the least to the greatest.

Hebrews 8: 12. I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and THEIR INIQUITIES WILL I REMEMBER NO MORE.

Hebrews 8: 13. In that he saith, A new, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old ready to vanish away.

Now see what is meant by the old or first covenant.
Hebrews 9: 1. Then verily THE FIRST had also ORDINANCES of DIVINE SERVICE, and a WORLDLY SANCTUARY.

Hebrews 9: 2. For THERE WAS A TABERNACLE made; THE FIRST, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the SHEWBREAD; which IS CALLED THE SANCTUARY.

Hebrews 9: 3. And after THE SECOND VEIL, the TABERNACLE which is called the HOLIEST of all;

Highlighting in capitals for emphasis only.

Hebrews 9: 4. Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Hebrews 9: 5. And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the MECRCYSEAT; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

Hebrews 9: 6. Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

Hebrews 9: 7. But into the second the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Hebrews 9: 8. The Holy Ghost THIS SIGNIFYING, THAT THE WAY INTO THE HOLIEST OF ALL WAS NOT YET MADE MANIFEST, WHILE THE FIRST TABERNACLE WAS YET STANDING:

Hebrews 9: 9. Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and SACRIFICES, THAT COULD NOT MAKE HIM THAT DID THE SERVICE PERFECT, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hebrews 9: 10. Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and CARNAL ORDINANCES, imposed on them UMTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION.

Hebrews 9: 11. But Christ being come an HIGH PEIEST of good things to come, by a GREATER and more PERFECT TABERNACLE, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Hebrews 9: 12. Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 9: 13. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Hebrews 9: 14. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9: 15. And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 9: 16. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Hebrews 9: 17. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 9: 18. Whereupon neither the FIRST testament was dedicated without blood.

Hebrews 9: 19. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Hebrews 9: 20. Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Hebrews 9: 21. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Hebrews 9: 22. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hebrews 9: 23. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hebrews 9: 24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Hebrews 9: 25. Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Hebrews 9: 26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9: 27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hebrews 9: 28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Lets use these few commandments and see what is going on in Revelation and who it is that works against Gods laws and what happens to those that support these acts of sin.

Exodus 20: 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Exodus 20: 5. Thou shalt NOT BOW DOWN THYSELF TO THEM, NOR SERVE THEM: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exodus 20: 6. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

Exodus 20: 7. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God IN VAIN; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

How many commandments are broken here in Revelation?

Rev 13: 3. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev 13: 4. AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE DRAGON which gave power unto the beast: and THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things AND BLASPHEMIES; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Rev 13: 6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Rev 13: 7. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13: 15. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the IMAGE of the beast should both speak, and CAUSE MANY THAT WOULD NOT WORSHIP THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST should be killed.

How many commandments were broken in those last few verses and if the ten commandments were not binding why is it so many will refuse to bow down to the image and be killed for not doing so?

Here are those that bow down to the image.
Rev 16: 9. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Rev 16: 11. And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Rev 16: 21. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

What of those under the law and not grace?
Romans 3: 19. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 7: 23. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
The Commandments stand and Paul, knew it.

Romans 7: 24. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

 

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Romans 7: 25. I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh THE LAW OF SIN.

If the commandments were done away with why is Satan, going to try and do the following to them?

Daniel 7: 25. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINKS TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 7: 26. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

PC.

 

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The laws that were done away with at the cross were Mosaic laws, they pointed to Messiah come.
The Passover, involved His people’s freedom from Egypt at midnight.
See Exodus 11: 4. 12: 29.
Also Exodus 12: 11, 21, 27, 43, 49. 34: 25.
The Passover preparation day, where Jesus was crucified and died and was buried on ‘the feast of Unleavened bread to the Lord.’ A High Sabbath where Jesus was buried, that evening. See Matthew 27: 57, 58. After three nights and three days He rose.

Our Redeemer saving us from the second death, sin’s snare.
Also circumcision was done away with at the cross.

The Bible, is a Jewish book not a Gentile one. The only Gentile that wrote in the Bible was Nebuchadnezzar.
When the Jews, read the book they read about themselves when we read it, it is about their traditions.
We Gentiles are invited in but Gentiles like to turn the book from Jewish into a Gentile book. Calling the Passover ‘Easter’ and celebrating it with a pagan tradition of the Easter egg based on fertility is senseless to me.

The Temple services and times and types are prophetic if you can bear that.

Paul was NOT talking about the commandment Sabbath.
Any serious Bible student would know that ‘NEW MOONS’ do not govern the WEEKLY SABBATH.

Col 2: 11 – 14. Please look at the context of these verses.
Col 2: 13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

These that were blotted out? The handwritten Temple ordinances as we shall see as we work through this.
Col 2: 14. BLOTTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS;

This next verse, to be consistent with Paul and Jesus, must be about the High Sabbaths NOT the commandment weekly Sabbath

Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect OF AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH.

The HIGH SABBATHS in the above verse were governed by a new moon.

Paul, was absolutely consistent with Jesus, in this.

John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

For Paul to be consistent in Romans 14: 5, with Jesus, he must mean High Sabbaths, as he did in Col 2: 16.
Romans 14: 5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Paul in Romans 14: 5. could not, would dare not be speaking of the fourth commandment otherwise he would be contradicting himself and Jesus.

Romans 3: 31. Do we then make VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? God forbid: yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

To pull Romans 14: 5. out of context causes confusion, where there is none if the Bible, were read correctly.

As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments were part of the agreement of loving HIM.

John 14: 15. If you love Me, keep My commandments.
I could stop here but I want to drive the point home a little more.

John 14: 21. He who has MY COMMANDMENTS AND KEEPS THEM, IT IS HE WHO LOVES ME. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

It was Jesus, that said these following words to John.
Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Now to remain consistent I will highlight the following.

Jeremiah 31: 31. “Behold, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31: 32. “NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THAT DAY I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.
My covenant which they broke, though I WAS A HUSBAND TO THEM, says the LORD.”

( See Ezekiel 16: to recognise the harlot BRIDE then see Rev 17: not now, but later please)

Jeremiah 31: 33. “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, and WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, and they shall be My people.”

Jeremiah 31: 34. “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR ENIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

Temple times and service of the Priest entering the holy of holies on the day of Atonement was done away with at the cross.
Again Paul, is being quite consistent in this matter along with Jesus and John, just look at the Temple references here.
I will quote Hebrews 8: 10 – 16 – 19. at the near end of my reply so there is no doubt from where I come on this matter.


Jeremiah 31: 33. repeated in Heb 10:
Hebrews 10: 31. “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32“NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY I TOOK THEM by the hand to lead them OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, My COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.

33“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD:

I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34“No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

Paul now speaks of the ‘Mosaic laws’ Temple services of atonement carried out behind the veil that only the High Priest could enter which are now done away with at the cross.
( They used to place a rope around the Priest in case he died so they could pull him out without going behind the veil. )

Hebrews 10: 19. Therefore, brethren, having boldness TO ENTER THE HOLIEST BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS, 20. by a NEW LIVING WAY which HE CONSECRATED FOR US, THROUGH THE VEIL, that is, HIS FLESH, 21. and having a HIGH PRIEST over the house of God,

Was the covenant God made with Israel on Mt. Sinai the 10 commandments and was the sign of that covenant the Sabbath?

Yes or no will do.

 

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Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."

So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. Ex 34:27, 28

The Bible disagrees with you as it clearly states that the covenant was the 10 commandments (at least). If you would like more references I will post them as this is NOT the only passage stating it.

Also, I can show you that breaking the 10 commandments was breaking the covenant. Would you like those references too?

In Christ alone...

We haven’t gotten past the above quote yet, surely you have to prove your point biblically?

Was the covenant God made with Israel on Mt. Sinai the 10 commandments and was the sign of that covenant the Sabbath?

Yes or no will do.

As for the second question, this might help you.
See Exodus 19: 22 – 25. 20: 1 – 24. 31: 18. 34: Deut 4: 11 – 14. 5: 22 – 24. 9: 10 – 11
Deut 10: 1 - 5.
1 Kings 8: 9.

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