joyoussong said:
Hi.
The ten commandments are the "Words of the Covenant". Deut (chapter 5?)
Ok. Let each be convinced in their own minds.
Where do you get the idea it is the ten He writes on the heart?
There is nothing in Romans 14 about new moons or high sabbaths.
Where does Paul say the law of God is the ten? Please quote.
freeindeed2 said:
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. Ex 34:27, 28
The Bible disagrees with you as it clearly states that the covenant was the 10 commandments (at least). If you would like more references I will post them as this is NOT the only passage stating it.
Also, I can show you that breaking the 10 commandments was breaking the covenant. Would you like those references too?
In Christ alone...
The laws that were done away with at the cross were Mosaic laws, they pointed to Messiah come.
The Passover, involved His people’s freedom from Egypt at midnight.
See Exodus 11: 4. 12: 29.
Also Exodus 12: 11, 21, 27, 43, 49. 34: 25.
The Passover preparation day, where Jesus was crucified and died and was buried on ‘the feast of Unleavened bread to the Lord.’ A High Sabbath where Jesus was buried, that evening. See Matthew 27: 57, 58. After three nights and three days He rose.
Our Redeemer saving us from the second death, sin’s snare.
Also circumcision was done away with at the cross.
The Bible, is a Jewish book not a Gentile one. The only Gentile that wrote in the Bible was Nebuchadnezzar.
When the Jews, read the book they read about themselves when we read it, it is about their traditions.
We Gentiles are invited in but Gentiles like to turn the book from Jewish into a Gentile book. Calling the Passover ‘Easter’ and celebrating it with a pagan tradition of the Easter egg based on fertility is senseless to me.
The Temple services and times and types are prophetic if you can bear that.
Paul was NOT talking about the commandment Sabbath.
Any serious Bible student would know that ‘NEW MOONS’ do not govern the WEEKLY SABBATH.
Col 2: 11 – 14. Please look at the context of these verses.
Col 2: 13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
These that were blotted out? The handwritten Temple ordinances as we shall see as we work through this.
Col 2: 14. BLOTTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS;
This next verse, to be consistent with Paul and Jesus, must be about the High Sabbaths NOT the commandment weekly Sabbath
Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect OF AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH.
The HIGH SABBATHS in the above verse were governed by a new moon.
Paul, was absolutely consistent with Jesus, in this.
John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
For Paul to be consistent in Romans 14: 5, with Jesus, he must mean High Sabbaths, as he did in Col 2: 16.
Romans 14: 5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Paul in Romans 14: 5. could not, would dare not be speaking of the fourth commandment otherwise he would be contradicting himself and Jesus.
Romans 3: 31. Do we then make VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? God forbid: yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.
Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
To pull Romans 14: 5. out of context causes confusion, where there is none if the Bible, were read correctly.
As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments were part of the agreement of loving HIM.
John 14: 15. If you love Me, keep My commandments.
I could stop here but I want to drive the point home a little more.
John 14: 21. He who has MY COMMANDMENTS AND KEEPS THEM, IT IS HE WHO LOVES ME. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
It was Jesus, that said these following words to John.
Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Now to remain consistent I will highlight the following.
Jeremiah 31: 31. “Behold, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31: 32. “NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THAT DAY I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.
My covenant which they broke, though I WAS A HUSBAND TO THEM, says the LORD.”
( See Ezekiel 16: to recognise the harlot BRIDE then see Rev 17: not now, but later please)
Jeremiah 31: 33. “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, and WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, and they shall be My people.”
Jeremiah 31: 34. “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR ENIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”
Temple times and service of the Priest entering the holy of holies on the day of Atonement was done away with at the cross.
Again Paul, is being quite consistent in this matter along with Jesus and John, just look at the Temple references here.
I will quote Hebrews 8: 10 – 16 – 19. at the near end of my reply so there is no doubt from where I come on this matter.
Jeremiah 31: 33. repeated in Heb 10:
Hebrews 10: 31. “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32“NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY I TOOK THEM by the hand to lead them OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, My COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
33“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD:
I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34“No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”
Paul now speaks of the ‘Mosaic laws’ Temple services of atonement carried out behind the veil that only the High Priest could enter which are now done away with at the cross.
( They used to place a rope around the Priest in case he died so they could pull him out without going behind the veil. )
Hebrews 10: 19. Therefore, brethren, having boldness TO ENTER THE HOLIEST BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS, 20. by a NEW LIVING WAY which HE CONSECRATED FOR US, THROUGH THE VEIL, that is, HIS FLESH, 21. and having a HIGH PRIEST over the house of God,