Prophetic practice thread (2)

[Yekcidmij]

The one the word is for will know. Not everyone.

Please see previous posts on how God spoke directly through people in scripture. Where's the scripture to back up the part about it being for one person?

There will always be critics like yourself .

Yep. Not everyone is content to watch unsound doctrine float by.

All I have seen you do is tear down and bring disruption to a thread that was meant to uplift and encourage.

Forget the fact that what I say might be true. Forget the fact that I provided reasons. Forget the fact that you might be doing something wrong. Just continue with a false way of uplifting and encouraging.

I have spoke this way in church and it always blesses people including the pastor. And those pastors never once rebuked me or ask for a sign.

Then I question them too.

You know a word is valid because it lines up with the Word.

I agree. The content hasn't been the problem. Did I complain about the content? (I'll have to go back and look...I may have). The problem is that you are claiming it is from God directly to you. And it should line up with scripture. And in the bible Prophets and Apostles always have a way of confirming their message. I think you addressed this below though...

I have also been given words that rebuke and warn certain people to repent. Mainly those within the church and in leadership roles. These people sinned in one fashion or another. These words are very specific and tell the person will happen if they don't repent. I have only had to do this a few times and believe me. I pray long and hard over them. I have seen some of them come to pass right down to every dot of an i and cross of a t. Those people chose not to repent and their secret came out to find the word was true. Others repented and later told me the word was dead on.

I dont know you from Joe Shmoe down the street. And, I'm sorry, but I can't just believe this kind of stuff based on your claim. What you said may be true, but there is no way for me to know. So, I will challange the authority that you claim to have. I can be convinced, but I have yet to see any reason to change my way of thinking. As soon as I have some valid reasons to believe you are speaking directly from God, I will shut up and listen.

So don't give me your crap. I don't know what makes you such an authority on this subject.

I'm no authority. Just pointing out what I think is true and backing it up with some verses. You, however, are the one claiming the authority of God. I'm also just asking for some evidence on the part of those that claim to speak directly from God, so that nobody falls for a trap.

But I do know by our ages I have been at this a lot longer than you.

Invalid. Truth isn't dependent on ages of people. Age difference could prove that you have been wrong a lot longer than I have.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Ok I did have some questions in the content of you post rushingwind....but I haven't totally disagreed with the content yet, just the method of delivering the words.

 

[Yekcidmij]

PS--- I don't claim to be a prophet or anything because I don't like titles.

Well, you claim the authority the Prophets and Apostles did....so you're claiming the same things.

To many people use them for power trips.

I agree. And I'm not saying you are.

I will do what HE wants me to do, when HE wants me to do it. I will say what HE wants me say, when HE wants me to say it!!

Thus you are claiming the same things as a Prophet or APostle. EDIT: Becaue you claim the He is talking directly to and through you

 

[rushingwind62]

Ok I did have some questions in the content of you post rushingwind....but I haven't totally disagreed with the content yet, just the method of delivering the words.

I understand your questionability in this. Because you don't know me and you weren't there to hear the words or see them come to pass. God has gave me these words for years and I am not about to change a word of them. I don't have to prove anything to you. The word wasn't even for you. I am sure it hit it's mark eventhough we haven't heard from that poster. My main problem with you is how you have totally disrupted this and other threads that are meant for encouraging and lifting up. This paticular thread is all but dead now. And I find it very sad.

 

[Yekcidmij]

I understand your questionability in this. Because you don't know me and you weren't there to hear the words or see them come to pass. God has gave me these words for years and I am not about to change a word of them.

Fair enough.

I don't have to prove anything to you. The word wasn't even for you.

You're right. And I reccommend the poster the post was directed toward proceed in believing it with the utmost caution. See my previous posts...the long ones. I would ask for some sort of confirmation if I were them.

My main problem with you is how you have totally disrupted this and other threads that are meant for encouraging and lifting up. This paticular thread is all but dead now. And I find it very sad.

I don't mean to rain on the party. And if indeed someone is claiming something from God and they are wrong, they probably shouldn't have a thread here. Threre are plenty of threads in this forum section that are encouraging and uplifiting. We still should never sacrifice truth just so we can be encouraged and lifted up with something that is false.

 

[rushingwind62]

Fair enough.


You're right. And I reccommend the poster the post was directed toward proceed in believing it with the utmost caution. See my previous posts...the long ones. I would ask for some sort of confirmation if I were them.



I don't mean to rain on the party. And if indeed someone is claiming something from God and they are wrong, they probably shouldn't have a thread here. Threre are plenty of threads in this forum section that are encouraging and uplifiting. We still should never sacrifice truth just so we can be encouraged and lifted up with something that is false.

What if these words are from God. You keep looking at them as false and discouraging others. What then?? What if the words myself and others are speaking are true prophetic words. I don't know about you but that would put the fear of God in me.

 

[millerrod]

Jimmie i was trying to show some humor on this thread it wasnt about you, i was trying to spread a little joy -edification
Check that out i amened myself

 

[millerrod]

The children were lined up in the cafeteria of a Catholic elementary school for lunch. At the head of the table was a large pile of apples. The Nun made a note and posted it on the apple tray [ Take only one God is watching ] Moving further along the lunch line at the other end of the table was a large pile of cookies and a child had made a note [ Take all you want God is watching the apples ]

 

[millerrod]

check that out i amened myself again

 

[rushingwind62]

The children were lined up in the cafeteria of a Catholic elementary school for lunch. At the head of the table was a large pile of apples. The Nun made a note and posted it on the apple tray [ Take only one God is watching ] Moving further along the lunch line at the other end of the table was a large pile of cookies and a child had made a note [ Take all you want God is watching the apples ]

rofl....that's good.

 

[J4Jesus]

I just call it like I see it. You are writing as if God Himself is writing. You are standing in the place of God by claiming direct revelation from God as a Prophet or Apostle would. So as a Prophet or Apostle would, prove this is God. What's your sign?

Don't you believe spiritfilled people can prophesy? That doesn't make them a prophet or apostle. Apostles and prophet are not the only ones that prophesy

 

[spiritlead]

I'm confused now. This part: "hold fast to that which is good"? Is that the part you are talking about?

Yes, comment on what the Holy Spirit is saying thru Apostle Paul, when he says"hold fast to that which is good"

 

[Yekcidmij]

What if these words are from God. You keep looking at them as false and discouraging others. What then?? What if the words myself and others are speaking are true prophetic words. I don't know about you but that would put the fear of God in me.

You are absolutely right. And I have asked myself that. What if it really is God speaking directly through you? As soon as it is validated, I will be the first to zip my mouth. The rest is between me and God.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Don't you believe spiritfilled people can prophesy? That doesn't make them a prophet or apostle. Apostles and prophet are not the only ones that prophesy

I also think you are absolutely correct. In one of my posts, it may have been on this thread before it broke off, I was convinced by a poster named Oscarr. I think you are right. The difference I am talking about are the ones where people claim outright that "God says", "God told me", "Thus says the Lord", or writing or talking as if God's own voice is the one speaking through them (as He did with somebody like Isaiah) or as if He is the one actually writing on the screen with the keyboard. These types of posts or words are the ones that are claiming the same type of authority as Prophets or Apostles.

Someone saying something like, "I think God wants me to tell you that you will walk in the ways of the Lord", is much better. Now the person qualifying their statement isn't claiming the authority of God necessarily. There is room for error here because maybe it wasn't God speaking but rather it was the person thinking these thoughts, and this would be much better. You would not have claimed Divine Authority. If you claim "God told me" with that kind of certainty, then you had better be right. I think scripture is clear.

Hope that clears up my thoughts.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Yes, comment on what the Holy Spirit is saying thru Apostle Paul, when he says"hold fast to that which is good"

Sorry, I didn't comment on it for 3 reasons. First it didn't carry the weight on the subject that the first part of the verse did for the particular thing I was talking about. Second it is pretty self explanitory. Third, I thought holding fast to everything that is good is kind of a given. It wasn't an attempt to dodge it or anything.

The message is simple on this part. Hold fast to what is good. Very simple.


Sorry for the confusion.

 

[J4Jesus]

I also think you are absolutely correct. In one of my posts, it may have been on this thread before it broke off, I was convinced by a poster named Oscarr. I think you are right. The difference I am talking about are the ones where people claim outright that "God says", "God told me", "Thus says the Lord", or writing or talking as if God's own voice is the one speaking through them (as He did with somebody like Isaiah) or as if He is the one actually writing on the screen with the keyboard. These types of posts or words are the ones that are claiming the same type of authority as Prophets or Apostles.

Someone saying something like, "I think God wants me to tell you that you will walk in the ways of the Lord", is much better. Now the person qualifying their statement isn't claiming the authority of God necessarily. There is room for error here because maybe it wasn't God speaking but rather it was the person thinking these thoughts, and this would be much better. You would not have claimed Divine Authority. If you claim "God told me" with that kind of certainty, then you had better be right. I think scripture is clear.

Hope that clears up my thoughts.

Most prophesies I have heard have been the Spirit of God speaking through them as the person yields to Him, just as a person praying in tongues yields as the Spirit gives them the utterance. There may be others that the Lord uses in the way you say but He doesn't use everyone in the same way. Are you saying you have never heard a prophesy in your church with the Lord speaking through them?

 

[Yekcidmij]

Most prophesies I have heard have been the Spiirt of God speaking through them as the person yields to Him, just as a person praying in tongues as teh Sprit gives them the utterance. There may be others that the Lord uses in the way you say but He doesn't use everyone in the same way.

I agree. Most people don't do what I'm talking about, from what I have seen. But my experience is limited. It's the ones that do specifically what I mentioned that I am talking about.

Are you saying you have never heard a prophesy in your church with the Lord speaking through them?

While I may have heard a valid utterance, I have yet to see anyone validated with the authority of a Prophet or Apostle as some seem to think they have.

Please, don't get me wrong here. I think the gift of prophecy is still valid as are the tests for a prophet. God is God after all and will speak to people however He pleases. But He also doesn't contradict Himself, so tests for a valid Prophet or Apostle are still valid and we should test so we don't fall to some wayward doctrine.

 

[rushingwind62]

You are absolutely right. And I have asked myself that. What if it really is God speaking directly through you? As soon as it is validated, I will be the first to zip my mouth. The rest is between me and God.

you said it....it is an issue between you and God. But you choose to drag others into your battle and in the process of doing so you are disrupting threads and attacking others who have the gift. That isn't right. Is everyone else wrong that disagrees with you or is operating in this gift from God? If so I think it is pretty arrogant.

 

[J4Jesus]

I agree. Most people don't do what I'm talking about, from what I have seen. But my experience is limited. It's the ones that do specifically what I mentioned that I am talking about.



While I may have heard a valid utterance, I have yet to see anyone validated with the authority of a Prophet or Apostle as some seem to think they have.

Please, don't get me wrong here. I think the gift of prophecy is still valid as are the tests for a prophet. God is God after all and will speak to people however He pleases. But He also doesn't contradict Himself, so tests for a valid Prophet or Apostle are still valid and we should test so we don't fall to some wayward doctrine.

When someone prophesies they are not claiming to be a prophet or apostle so there is no reason to try to validate that they are.

What we are to do is judge the prophecy to see if it lines up with the Word and doesn't contradict it. We don't judge the person.

A person is to only say what they believe the Lord is speaking and not add to or take away.That would be wrong. What else can they say? They give the prophesy and say no more. Its when someone tries to interpret what they said or expain it and figure it out that can lead to error. And that has happened.

So just take the prophecy as recieved from the Lord with nothing added. We can believe it or reject it . The person it was for can believe it or reject it. They will usually know in their spirit if it's way off and does not witness to them. And sometimes a person may not believe it simply because it was NOT for them but for someone else. We may say we don't accept it or receive it but then go on.The Lord will deal with that person if it is spoken presumptously. It does no good to go on and on about it forever.

 

[Yekcidmij]

you said it....it is an issue between you and God.

Yep, if I'm wrong. As of 7 seconds ago, I'm convinced I'm right and that presumptiously claiming authority of God is serious enough that I should warn others about it. Sorry for caring.

But you choose to drag others into your battle and in the process of doing so you are disrupting threads and attacking others who have the gift.

I question that this is really the gift at work here.

That isn't right. Is everyone else wrong that disagrees with you or is operating in this gift from God? If so I think it is pretty arrogant.

Disagreeing with me hardly means you are wrong. Give me a break. If you disagree, fine, but disagreeing has nothing to do with either of us being correct or incorrect. I have pleany of reasons, scripture, and evidence in those 3 back-to-back posts. I say you are wrong though. Prove to me otherwise. Validate yourself as a Prophet with the Authority of God that you are claiming.

With no disrespect intended:

Since we are the ones butting heads right now, here is a specific challenge for you Rushingwind62: Pray about it really hard and do whatever you can as you said you have done before, then come back and validate your claims by doing whatever God tells you. If you are really telling the truth and are really speaking directly from God, there is nothing to worry about, God is with you. If you are incorrect, as I currently maintain, then the end result of your efforts will be nothing. In the end God will be revealed no matter what happens and no matter which of us is correct. This is how confident I am in my position. I understand that we should not test God, but instead I test you.

Take all the time you need.