Prophetic practice thread (2)

[TheMatmanReturns]

Where did you see my say that my "prophetic words are scripture"? I never said that.

I DID say that the the claims I make about myself are scriptural. Did you by chance read the first post I made before responding? post #29.

Post #31.

Someone said to you: "Also the words you have written are claiming the same authority as scripture when you write like that. Just something to think about."

You replied: "Exactly. That's why I can claim it, it's scripture! lol...why should I not claim it? Nay, shout it from the heavens!" (Emphasis added.)

By your own admission, you think that "the words you have written" have the same authority as Scripture. In fact, you expressly state that "the words you have written" are Scripture.

Well, unless you are repeating Scripture word-for-word in you prophesies, then you are treading on thin ice.

If you claim that your words--your prophecies--have the same authority as Scripture, then you are saying that your words are equal to Scripture.

If you claim that your prophetic words are equal to Scripture, then you are traversing the path of folks like Jim Jones and Joseph Smith.

That's dangerous.

PS... I have since read Post 29, and this does not change my opinion.

 

[millerrod]

Spiritlead when i was praying for Tami God showed me what seemed to be a man wading through water a swamp or maybe an area that was flooded. I was then shown a woman laying on an old couch seemed to have a foral pattern the woman i think was african american or dark indian. The man walking through the swamp--flooded area i think was bald and was african american as well but not real sure about the man when i seen him it was like i was looking down from up high so it was hard to tell his looks i could just tell that he was strugling walking through water. God normally shows me small very personal things about the person i am praying for. Let me know if Tami knows what all this means. Peace and Love !! Rod

 

[millerrod]

This thread has gave encouragment and edified many brothers and sisters it would seem that if you choose to bring doubt,strife and contention into this thread then you are choosing to serve satan and not God. Even if someone chooses wording that may get under your skin their heart was in Loving their neighbor and spoke to edify and encourage and in doing so their service is to God even if you feel they have errored in their speach or wording their heart was to help edify another human being. On the other hand their are those whos only purpose has to been to bring doubt strife contention and division among those gathered here this is not of God according to Gods Word. You state you are standing in Truth but the Truth is we are to Love everyone and edify those around us.Doubt strife and contention and division has nothing to do with God nor Love. This thread was meant to edify those who asked for a word. It would seem that if you want to deliver doubt, strife, contention and cause division you could start a new thread to do so instead of delivering these things to the people who are asking for a little help a little encouragment in their life. Is it worth discouraging 20 souls to prove a point in how someone worded what they said when what they said was at least meant to edify and not bring down. If the battle we choose leads to doubt.confusion,strife and contention then it is not a battle for God but a battle against God !!

 

[Yekcidmij]

rod,

No need to dance around it if you are talking to me.

This thread has gave encouragment and edified many brothers and sisters it would seem that if you choose to bring doubt,strife and contention into this thread then you are choosing to serve satan and not God.

Which is more dangerous, questioning someone or speaking incorrectly in the place of God?

Even if someone chooses wording that may get under your skin their heart was in Loving their neighbor and spoke to edify and encourage and in doing so their service is to God even if you feel they have errored in their speach or wording their heart was to help edify another human being.

Muslims can edify other human beings. Should we accept their teachings too just because they edify even though they don't speak of God like we do? Their hearts can also be in the right place.

On the other hand their are those whos only purpose has to been to bring doubt strife contention and division among those gathered here this is not of God according to Gods Word.

Speaking for God out of place is also not according to God's word. Accepting anything that the wind blows our way is also not according to God's word. There is never a good reason to not use discernment.

You state you are standing in Truth but the Truth is we are to Love everyone and edify those around us.

I guess then that this is a form of tough love instead of the 'clould 9 feeling' type of love. I care enough to say something in hopes that we get it right rather than laugh it away or ignore it and possibly live in a lie or misbelief.

Doubt strife and contention and division has nothing to do with God nor Love.

Neither does writing as if God is writing in the first person. Sorry I'm so picky, but the issue of taking the Lords name in vain happens to pop up in Exodus.

This thread was meant to edify those who asked for a word. It would seem that if you want to deliver doubt, strife, contention and cause division you could start a new thread to do so

So....I should just go away and leave everyone to their "personal beliefs" weather or not they are off the map. No, I care too much about believers.

Is it worth discouraging 20 souls

Is it worth discouraging 20 sould who later down the road become dissollusioned because at some point earlier they believed the "Thus says the Lord" or that their writings or someone eleses was God typing on the keyboard?

to prove a point

My goal isn't to prove a point.

in how someone worded what they said when what they said was at least meant to edify and not bring down.

We define 'bring down' differently. I see something leading people into misbelief (not unbelief) or disollusion as something that would 'bring down'.

If the battle we choose leads to doubt.confusion,strife and contention then it is not a battle for God but a battle against God !!

If the words we choose lead to misbelief then that is against God. I don't battle against God, I battle unsound doctrine...including my own when needed.


Sorry if I come of as a jerk or 'unloving', but wouldn't it be best if we were right about this kind of thing?

 

[millerrod]

Jimmie i am not only speaking to you alone but to a group of individuals yourself included that constantly de edify and place the seed of doubt within those who have asked for a needed lift from the voice of the Holy Spirit and those trying to be obident to the Lord. Why cannt you start a new thread and discuss the problems you see and let this thread edify those who need and ask for it. Are you concerned if you start a new thread it will be ignored ?? i dont think it will be. What is wrong with having one spot on this forum where someone can come and recieve a needed lift without all the crap ?? Do you ever edify along with your constant repremands ?? Sadly as i look upon the forum daily i see this group of individuals seem to be about the only ones left here everyone else has moved on because they are sick of all this depressing crap myself included. Sadly the battle you are fighting is destroying your brothers and sisters and no matter who is right or wrong its sad very sad to say the least.

 

[The Princess Bride]

Post #31.

Someone said to you: "Also the words you have written are claiming the same authority as scripture when you write like that. Just something to think about."

You replied: "Exactly. That's why I can claim it, it's scripture! lol...why should I not claim it? Nay, shout it from the heavens!" (Emphasis added.)

By your own admission, you think that "the words you have written" have the same authority as Scripture. In fact, you expressly state that "the words you have written" are Scripture.

Well, unless you are repeating Scripture word-for-word in you prophesies, then you are treading on thin ice.

I wasnt referring to the actual PROPHECIES, I was reffering to the SPIRIT within us by which we prophecy. BIG difference.

And because I was quoting,(perhaps paraphrasing a bit) actual point of scripture, by quoting scripture it retains it's authority. So yes, when I speak forth scripture, I can act in that authority.

In fact, I will go back over each point just to prove myself, even though I find this a bit extreme.

Are we not Sons and Daughters of Righteousness?

Phl. 3:9 ....not having my own righteousness, which [is] from the law, but that which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith

I John 2: 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

I John 3:10 Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor [is] he who does not love his brother.

Have we not been given an active indwelling of the Holy Spirit who lives within us and mediators on our behalf before the Father?

Eph. 3:17
...that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

Rom 9:1
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Is this not the same Spirit that gave voice to the Prophets and Apostles of old?

Acts 28:25
So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: "The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to *our fathers,

Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."

The words that come forth from our mouth should not have to contain "thus saith the Lord" or "etc" to be prophetic in nature. Every time we open our mouth to speak should be the opportunity for prophetic utterances to be birthed forth.

1Cor 2:13
These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the *Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Exodus 4:15
Now you shall speak to him and put the words in his mouth. And I will be with your mouth and with his mouth, and I will teach you what you shall do.



Ezekial 3:10
Moreover He said to me: "Son of man, receive into your heart all My words that I speak to you, and hear with your ears.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own [authority]; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.{ (Jesus HIMSELF said we would do greater things that He...)}

If the words that can come forth from my lips bring LIFE and DEATH, who on earth can denounce that which God has written?

Proverbs 18:21
Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit.

Isaiah 50:4
"The Lord GOD has given Me The tongue of the learned, That I should know how to speak A word in season to [him who is] weary. He awakens Me morning by morning, He awakens My ear To hear as the learned.

Psalm 35:28
And my tongue shall speak of Your righteousness [And] of Your praise all the day long.

Proverbs 15:2
The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue [which] rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness [is] from Me," Says the LORD.

I am a Child of the Living GOD, the great "I AM", what other proof or sign do people need?

Rom. 9:26
"And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God."

2 Cor 6:16
For you* are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses,"Ehyeh asher ehyeh," (meaning, "I AM that which I AM.)

Deut. 18:18
I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him



I never once indicated any authority over prophetic words, and I find, sir, you have greatly misconstrued my posts.

If you claim that your words--your prophecies--have the same authority as Scripture, then you are saying that your words are equal to Scripture.

If you claim that your prophetic words are equal to Scripture, then you are traversing the path of folks like Jim Jones and Joseph Smith.

That's dangerous.

PS... I have since read Post 29, and this does not change my opinion.

Perhaps your opinion was unfounded all along.

 

[Yekcidmij]

What is wrong with having one spot on this forum where someone can come and recieve a needed lift without all the crap ??

It's a good spot to uplift someone which is what most posters do. But there is no good spot for misbelief. I stand by my recent posts. If someone needs a lift maybe rather than claiming direct revelations from God without any validation, we should tell people that God is Sovreign and Omnipotent. Nothing that happens, happens outside His control and His will. While we might not understand everything..God is in control. We should reflect on the fact that He is All-Knowing. Nothing that is going on is beyond what He already knew and planned for. And while we may not understand everything..God has a plan that He is executing and everything is happening for His divine purpose. And there is a reason for everything that happens to us, though we may not understand now. We should remember that God is eternally Good and He is personal. He does in fact care about the smallest details of the lives of His creation (that's us) even when it seems He doesn't. He is Omni Present. He is near to at all times even when He feels far away or even if we wish He was far away. There is nothing that happens that God does not see. He even sees we need a lift and being that He is also Faithful to His name...He is "God the Provider". And everything we need will be provided........including a lift, if that's needed.

At least, I think it's better to reflect on those things rather than making claims of divine revelation with no validation (sorry I'm not trying to sound like Don King) or to make God nothing more than a fortune cookie type of being.

Do you ever edify along with your constant repremands ??

Actually I think I do sometimes. This is just one thread after all.

 

[TheMatmanReturns]

I wasnt referring to the actual PROPHECIES, I was reffering to the SPIRIT within us by which we prophecy. BIG difference.

And because I was quoting,(perhaps paraphrasing a bit) actual point of scripture, by quoting scripture it retains it's authority. So yes, when I speak forth scripture, I can act in that authority.

In fact, I will go back over each point just to prove myself, even though I find this a bit extreme.



Phl. 3:9 ....not having my own righteousness, which [is] from the law, but that which [is] through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith

I John 2: 29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

I John 3:10 Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor [is] he who does not love his brother.


Eph. 3:17
...that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,

Rom 9:1
I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.


Acts 28:25
So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: "The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to *our fathers,

Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: 'The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."


1Cor 2:13
These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the *Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Exodus 4:15
Now you shall speak to him and put the words in his mouth. And I will be with your mouth and with his mouth, and I will teach you what you shall do.



Ezekial 3:10
Moreover He said to me: "Son of man, receive into your heart all My words that I speak to you, and hear with your ears.

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own [authority]; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.{ (Jesus HIMSELF said we would do greater things that He...)}




Proverbs 18:21
Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit.

Isaiah 50:4
"The Lord GOD has given Me The tongue of the learned, That I should know how to speak A word in season to [him who is] weary. He awakens Me morning by morning, He awakens My ear To hear as the learned.

Psalm 35:28
And my tongue shall speak of Your righteousness [And] of Your praise all the day long.

Proverbs 15:2
The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon formed against you shall prosper, And every tongue [which] rises against you in judgment You shall condemn. This [is] the heritage of the servants of the LORD, And their righteousness [is] from Me," Says the LORD.


Rom. 9:26
"And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' There they shall be called sons of the living God."

2 Cor 6:16
For you* are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among [them]. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses,"Ehyeh asher ehyeh," (meaning, "I AM that which I AM.)

Deut. 18:18
I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him



I never once indicated any authority over prophetic words, and I find, sir, you have greatly misconstrued my posts.


Perhaps your opinion was unfounded all along.

I wouldn't say that I "greatly misconstrued" your post.

I just misconstrued your post a little--and by accident at that.

Oops.

 

[millerrod]

Jimmie is God Love according to scripture ??

 

[BellaSong]

Please share. I'm not trying to stop anyone from sharing. I like reading most of the posts.

But realize that the only reason I'm "fighting" is because I think someone may be taking the Lords name in vain. I hope that someone would care enough about God and other people to "fight" me if I'm ever caught doing that.

Yes, in this I think that you may be right in one aspect. Those of us who are practicing the prophetic must be very very careful to not take His name in vain. False prophets are spoken very strongly against many times in the Bible and that is the ruler by which we must measure all things. It seems wise to me (for all that's worth) that anytime a person is giving a word, that they should first test it against scripture and pray to make sure that they are accurate in what they believe God has said. God does give us the suthority to speak His words and speak on His behalf, but this is a priviledge and a responsibility that we must not take lightly.

I did not read the original posts in question, I just saw too much fighting and felt very strongly that I needed to address it.

Perhaps since the OP of this thread is no longer a participant, we should set up some new guidelines and safety rails, if you will, for how this thread is to function. This should be a safe place not a place where fights are constantly raging.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Jimmie is God Love according to scripture ??

You bet! I wasn't giving an all inclusive list.

 

[millerrod]

God is Love according to scripture and you.
1Cor13:4-7 define Love by 12 chacteristics --manners. Then if you or i or anyone else speak words that fall within these chacteristics then we are speaking words of Love are we not. and if God is Love and these words spoken are Love then these words of Love are of God because they are Love and God is Love.
Example; i spoke words in a post that were completly against and clearly steped upon 1Cor13:4-7. These were not words from God but from a man of flesh and i clearly in error at that moment. But yet i can ask for forgivness and try harder not to be provoked by another man. i can strive to be obident to God and if someone asks i can give words that the Holy Spirit guides me to give that are words of Love and do not step on 1Cor13:4-7 these words because they fall within the chacteristics of Love are words of Love and are of God because God is Love. If i say these words are from God and they are words of Love as seen in 1Cor13:4-7 then am i a lier or do i speak the Truth ??

 

[Yekcidmij]

God is Love according to scripture and you.
1Cor13:4-7 define Love by 12 chacteristics --manners. Then if you or i or anyone else speak words that fall within these chacteristics then we are speaking words of Love are we not.

We've run into the question now of Gods Love. We must remember that becuase God is Love does not mean that He is only Love. Just as He is Love, He is Holy. both completely at all times. We must also remember that God is Truth at all times also. So God being Love does not mean that He just takes an 'anything goes' attitude. So God's Love is a Holy Love and a Perfect Love.

and if God is Love and these words spoken are Love then these words of Love are of God because they are Love and God is Love.

Words can be spoken in love and still be incorrect or misleading. While the love contained in those words would be of God, the falseness or at least lack of truth is not of God.

Example; i spoke words in a post that were completly against and clearly steped upon 1Cor13:4-7. These were not words from God but from a man of flesh and i clearly in error at that moment. But yet i can ask for forgivness and try harder not to be provoked by another man. i can strive to be obident to God and if someone asks i can give words that the Holy Spirit guides me to give that are words of Love and do not step on 1Cor13:4-7 these words because they fall within the chacteristics of Love are words of Love and are of God because God is Love. If i say these words are from God and they are words of Love as seen in 1Cor13:4-7 then am i a lier or do i speak the Truth ??

Your words can be false but be loving. This is not my issue. Mistakes are human. And speaking what you believe to be correct and what you believe to be of God is fine....as a matter of fact, we are both doing that now. But if I say "God told me" or "This says the Lord" or if I write as if God were typing instead of me, then I would be claiming a divine status of what I am saying, and there are strict rules in scripture for those that make these claims. The claims of those type are claiming the same status as scripture and can never be wrong.

It is much better to say "I believe God told me.." than to claim the same authority as an Apostle unless you are ready to validate your claim.

 

[millerrod]

Jimmie you seem to believe you have vast amount of authority. You alone come against the Holy Spirits words you alone come against other deciples, you alone come against proven prophets, you alone know and have complete understanding of Gods Word according to Jimmie. Well guess what jimmie your fruits ,contention, judgement, meanness, vanity are things most of us want to stay clear of. it seems when we allow ourselves to be draged near these things we become just like these things for myself its time to step away.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Jimmie you seem to believe you have vast amount of authority.

Nope. Don't believe me just because I say it. Look it up. I'm just the village idiot screaming into the wind.

You alone come against the Holy Spirits words you alone come against other deciples, you alone come against proven prophets,

I guess I will stand alone then.

EDIT: And no, I do not accept that I am doing battle with God. When someone proves to me that those who are writing in the first person as if God were typing are really receiving this stuff directly from God, I will be the first to zip my mouth.

you alone know and have complete understanding of Gods Word according to Jimmie.

Hmmm....nope. If I'm wrong, show me. That would be an example of love.

Well guess what jimmie your fruits ,contention, judgement, meanness, vanity are things most of us want to stay clear of.

Then I will stand alone.

it seems when we allow ourselves to be draged near these things we become just like these things for myself its time to step away.

OK....Godspeed Rod.

 

[Criada]

 

[millerrod]

I hear ya Criada sorry i let the world get to me today !!

 

[Criada]

Love you, Rod.

 

[millerrod]

Thanks like i said some posts back, some days when you were the puppy wading in the deep water and some day it would be me wading in the same water. Today seems to have been that day. You didnt have to say a word, your sad smilie spoke volumes to me, enough to raise me back up out of the water. Thanks i Love you to

 

[Yekcidmij]

Thanks like i said some posts back, some days when you were the puppy wading in the deep water and some day it would be me wading in the same water. Today seems to have been that day. You didnt have to say a word, your sad smilie spoke volumes to me, enough to raise me back up out of the water. Thanks i Love you to

Hope your week gets better.