Prophetic practice thread (2)

[JohnM]

Breakthru is coming, as you press in to the high calling that God has on your life, He is going to bless you with fullness in His Holy Spirit, and as you dig deeper into His Word, He is going to give you fresh bread and meat to satisfy your spiritual hunger, and you will share your new revelation found in the Word and lives will be changed and transformed and seeds will be planted in hearts, as you press in to Him and go higher He will also give you the desires of your heart, in His time!!

Thank you for that word.

 

[andantespianato]

Could anyone post if they have a word for me??
I thought God was leading me in one direction in one situation with a friend and I was aware that it wouldnt be an easy path to what he has in store here but I just didnt realise it would be this hard . There seem to be some big obstacles, or at least ones that seem big to me anyway. Im a little scared at the moment of finding out I got it wrong too, even though I just cannot see how that could be.

 

[rushingwind62]

Could anyone post if they have a word for me??
I thought God was leading me in one direction in one situation with a friend and I was aware that it wouldnt be an easy path to what he has in store here but I just didnt realise it would be this hard . There seem to be some big obstacles, or at least ones that seem big to me anyway. Im a little scared at the moment of finding out I got it wrong too, even though I just cannot see how that could be.

My child no obstacle is too big for you to overcome. Just go with what you are feeling in your heart. Do not be afraid of making a mistake because when mistakes are made they are great learning tools. It is a way I use to teach my children how to trust their hearts and to hear my voice. Follow your heart so that I might teach you, my child. And remember you can speak to that mountain to be removed. Have faith and it shall be so.

 

[Yekcidmij]

My child no obstacle is too big for you to overcome. Just go with what you are feeling in your heart. Do not be afraid of making a mistake because when mistakes are made they are great learning tools. It is a way I use to teach my children how to trust their hearts and to hear my voice. Follow your heart so that I might teach you, my child. And remember you can speak to that mountain to be removed. Have faith and it shall be so.

Ive been out of town for a few days, but I see some still write as if God Himself is writing. So my same question to all who write as a Prophet or Apostle still stands: What is your sign? You do realize you are claiming the role of Prophet (as in the OT) or Apostle (as in the NT), right?

 

[rushingwind62]

Ive been out of town for a few days, but I see some still write as if God Himself is writing. So my same question to all who write as a Prophet or Apostle still stands: What is your sign? You do realize you are claiming the role of Prophet (as in the OT) or Apostle (as in the NT), right?

call it what you will....I just write what God gives me and want nothing in return. Including a title, because first and foremost I am a servant of the Most High.

 

[Yekcidmij]

call it what you will....I just write what God gives me and want nothing in return. Including a title, because first and foremost I am a servant of the Most High.

I just call it like I see it. You are writing as if God Himself is writing. You are standing in the place of God by claiming direct revelation from God as a Prophet or Apostle would. So as a Prophet or Apostle would, prove this is God. What's your sign?

 

[rushingwind62]

I just call it like I see it. You are writing as if God Himself is writing. You are standing in the place of God by claiming direct revelation from God as a Prophet or Apostle would. So as a Prophet or Apostle would, prove this is God. What's your sign?

God will prove Himself when one is obedient to Him. The word He gave me was not for you. As for a sign....a generation will seek after a sign but none will be given. I speak when God tells me to speak and I water down no words. So I guess my sign to you will be silence.

 

[Yekcidmij]

God will prove Himself when one is obedient to Him.

Of course. I have yet to see the proof though.

The word He gave me was not for you.

It doesn't matter. I'll have to be the jerk that calls people out on this since everyone just seems content to let it slide. (You posted it in public too).

As for a sign....a generation will seek after a sign but none will be given.

Yep, Jesus' words to the Pharisees (or was it Saducees?). Read the rest of it. Doen't it say something about the sign of Jonah? (Matt 16:4). So this was Jesus talking about Himself and the sign of Jonah which meant that as Jonah was 3 days in the whale so Jesus would be 3 days in the grave before coming out alive again. So this does not apply to your case. I can start walking through the Prophets and Apostles showing how they confirmed they spoke directly from and for God. Elijah called down fire, the apostles did miracles and even rose people from the dead. Jesus confirmed who He claimed to be by doing miracles and even rising from the dead Himself.

In your post, you are claiming the same type of authority as did the Prophets in the OT and Apostles in the NT. All of them confirmed their claims. How are you going to confirm yours?

Please understand too that this is because the way you worded your post.

I speak when God tells me to speak and I water down no words. So I guess my sign to you will be silence.

Good. No proof. No sign. I dont believe you speak directly from God and nobody else has a good reason to think so either.

 

[The Princess Bride]

Of course. I have yet to see the proof though.


It doesn't matter. I'll have to be the jerk that calls people out on this since everyone just seems content to let it slide. (You posted it in public too).


Yep, Jesus' words to the Pharisees (or was it Saducees?). Read the rest of it. Doen't it say something about the sign of Jonah? (Matt 16:4). So this was Jesus talking about Himself and the sign of Jonah which meant that as Jonah was 3 days in the whale so Jesus would be 3 days in the grave before coming out alive again. So this does not apply to your case. I can start walking through the Prophets and Apostles showing how they confirmed they spoke directly from and for God. Elijah called down fire, the apostles did miracles and even rose people from the dead. Jesus confirmed who He claimed to be by doing miracles and even rising from the dead Himself.

In your post, you are claiming the same type of authority as did the Prophets in the OT and Apostles in the NT. All of them confirmed their claims. How are you going to confirm yours?

Please understand too that this is because the way you worded your post.


Good. No proof. No sign. I dont believe you speak directly from God and nobody else has a good reason to think so either.

Are we not Sons and Daughters of Righteousness?

Have we not been given an active indwelling of the Holy Spirit who lives within us and mediators on our behalf before the Father?

Is this not the same Spirit that gave voice to the Prophets and Apostles of old?

The words that come forth from our mouth should not have to contain "thus saith the Lord" or "etc" to be prophetic in nature. Every time we open our mouth to speak should be the opportunity for prophetic utterances to be birthed forth.

If the words that can come forth from my lips bring LIFE and DEATH, who on earth can denounce that which God has written?

I am a Child of the Living GOD, the great "I AM", what other proof or sign do people need? Does fire need to fall from the heavens? The great ice caps to be slip apart? Volcanos to erupt? Tsunami's to flood and destroy cities?

You seek a sign, but do you even know that which you seek and how will you know it?

Just some food for thought....

 

[Yekcidmij]

Are we not Sons and Daughters of Righteousness?

Yep.

Have we not been given an active indwelling of the Holy Spirit who lives within us and mediators on our behalf before the Father?

Yep.

Is this not the same Spirit that gave voice to the Prophets and Apostles of old?

Yep.

The words that come forth from our mouth should not have to contain "thus saith the Lord" or "etc" to be prophetic in nature. Every time we open our mouth to speak should be the opportunity for prophetic utterances to be birthed forth.

But when somebody does day "Thus sayeth the Lord" that either means it's directly from scripture or they are receiving words from God from outside of scripture, and this is particularly dangerous. This is the job of an Apostle or Prophet and the standards are very serious. See Deut. 13 and 18. So when someone claims this kind of authority, I don't take it lightly. Look in the bible at what Apostles (Prophets in the OT) did to prove the authority they claimed.

If the words that can come forth from my lips bring LIFE and DEATH, who on earth can denounce that which God has written?

The post I was referring to wasnt quoting what God had written.

I am a Child of the Living GOD, the great "I AM", what other proof or sign do people need?

Look, the problem is that we are warned of false teachings, not that this poster is teaching falsely (it's actually not terrible advice though we should always use caution when 'following our hearts'), and claiming the authority of speaking directly from God is how many false doctrines start. And the way the post was worded makes it look as if God is typing on the keyboard, which could be borderline taking the Lords name in vain. Thomas asked Jesus for proof so Jesus showed the scars, and I will ask nothing less from this poster. What's your proof that you are hearing God's voice directly so that you can validate the authority that you claim (to be an Apostle) when you word things or talk like this. EDIT: Also the words you have written are claiming the same authority as scripture when you write like that. Just something to think about.

Does fire need to fall from the heavens? The great ice caps to be slip apart? Volcanos to erupt? Tsunami's to flood and destroy cities?

Not to validate what's already occured in scripture. I just ask the poster to validate his claim to be an Apostle or be in the Office of a Prophet, which is what he is claiming when writing as if God is typing on his keyboard.

You seek a sign, but do you even know that which you seek and how will you know it?

Just some food for thought....

If it is really God typing on the keyboard through this poster, I dont know how He will validate this new Apostle, but when He does I'm sure it will be unmistakeable and will leave me with nothing to do but shut up and listen.

 

[The Princess Bride]

I agree that we shouldnt just blindly accept any "words" without testing them first, but at the same time, are we sinning when we operate in disbelief when God really does speak?

Also the words you have written are claiming the same authority as scripture when you write like that. Just something to think about.

Exactly. That's why I can claim it, it's scripture! lol...why should I not claim it? Nay, shout it from the heavens!

 

[TheMatmanReturns]

I agree that we shouldnt just blindly accept any "words" without testing them first, but at the same time, are we sinning when we operate in disbelief when God really does speak?



Exactly. That's why I can claim it, it's scripture! lol...why should I not claim it? Nay, shout it from the heavens!

Scripture, by definition, is the 66 Books of the Bible---nothing more, nothing less.

To say that your prophetic words are Scripture is quite troubling to me. By doing so, you are expressly putting your words on the same level as the Bible.

Jim Jones said more or less the same things back in the 1970's. Then, when he got a large following, he began placing his words on a higher level than the Bible itself.

Then people fell into heresy and then death.

 

[The Princess Bride]

Scripture, by definition, is the 66 Books of the Bible---nothing more, nothing less.

To say that your prophetic words are Scripture is quite troubling to me. By doing so, you are expressly putting your words on the same level as the Bible.

Jim Jones said more or less the same things back in the 1970's. Then, when he got a large following, he began placing his words on a higher level than the Bible itself.

Then people fell into heresy and then death.

Where did you see my say that my "prophetic words are scripture"? I never said that.

I DID say that the the claims I make about myself are scriptural. Did you by chance read the first post I made before responding? post #29.

 

[rushingwind62]

Yep.


Yep.


Yep.


But when somebody does day "Thus sayeth the Lord" that either means it's directly from scripture or they are receiving words from God from outside of scripture, and this is particularly dangerous. This is the job of an Apostle or Prophet and the standards are very serious. See Deut. 13 and 18. So when someone claims this kind of authority, I don't take it lightly. Look in the bible at what Apostles (Prophets in the OT) did to prove the authority they claimed.


The post I was referring to wasnt quoting what God had written.


Look, the problem is that we are warned of false teachings, not that this poster is teaching falsely (it's actually not terrible advice though we should always use caution when 'following our hearts'), and claiming the authority of speaking directly from God is how many false doctrines start. And the way the post was worded makes it look as if God is typing on the keyboard, which could be borderline taking the Lords name in vain. Thomas asked Jesus for proof so Jesus showed the scars, and I will ask nothing less from this poster. What's your proof that you are hearing God's voice directly so that you can validate the authority that you claim (to be an Apostle) when you word things or talk like this. EDIT: Also the words you have written are claiming the same authority as scripture when you write like that. Just something to think about.


Not to validate what's already occured in scripture. I just ask the poster to validate his claim to be an Apostle or be in the Office of a Prophet, which is what he is claiming when writing as if God is typing on his keyboard.



If it is really God typing on the keyboard through this poster, I dont know how He will validate this new Apostle, but when He does I'm sure it will be unmistakeable and will leave me with nothing to do but shut up and listen.

So according TO YOU, God has no voice today??? I thought He was the same yesterday, today and forever. I do not go around prophesying in this manner all the time, but when the Lord moves me to speak in such a manner, I OBEY!!! If I don't then I have to answer for disobidence. I made no claims to ANYTHING in the word God gave gave me to share. You were the one who claimed me to be a Prophet or an Apostle, simply because God gave me a word to speak. And if you want proof you are asking the wrong person! Try asking the poster the word was for. Now if you are through derailing the thread from the OP's intentions maybe we can get back to working on our prophetic skills to UPLIFT and ENCOURAGE one another instead of trying to tear them down!!!!!

 

[BellaSong]

STOP FIGHTING!!! That isn't what this thread was intended for! My goodness, I came in here to share about how God has been speaking to me and what happened today and all I see are arguments! This will probably be lost amongst it all anyway, but people stop the arguing. This is a prophetic PRACTICE thread. We are allowed to make mistakes in learning to hear the voice of God. God is perfect, but we are not. We are here to fellowship and support one another as we learn to hear and speak the words that we hear from our Lord.

 

[BellaSong]

Lets review the rules that were established when this thread was started:

I suppose the biblical model must be our model too, in that one person may offer up what they think is a word and it is to be judged by others. That will take a whole truck load of humility for the ones giving as well as the ones judging. For that reason I do not think it would be fair for people to judge without also stepping out and giving words to be judged, so that should be a rule then. If you give a word you must wait for it to be judged and you must judge another's word before you can give a word again. (And visa-versa).

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

My child no obstacle is too big for you to overcome. Just go with what you are feeling in your heart. Do not be afraid of making a mistake because when mistakes are made they are great learning tools. It is a way I use to teach my children how to trust their hearts and to hear my voice. Follow your heart so that I might teach you, my child. And remember you can speak to that mountain to be removed. Have faith and it shall be so.

The problem about giving a prophetic word to the person was that the person provided too much information for the word to be pure. He mentioned that he "had a few obstacles" and then there is "My child no obstacle is too big for you to overcome." Also, the requester said that he was concerned that he could be wrong. Your response was "Do not be afraid of making a mistake", etc. It would be difficult to accept that these sentences does not come from the natural mind in response to the information given.

Also, telling a person to follow the feelings of their heart is in conflict with the Scripture in Proverbs where it says "There is a way that seems right to a person but the end thereof is death." Therefore there is a danger in a person following their feelings of their own heart merely on the words of a prophecy. There are many people who have had their own agendas and have received a prophecy like this and gone on to make very serious errors which have had catastrophic consequences for themselves and others.

Also "Have faith and it shall be so." is a questionable statement, because it does not specify anything else but blind faith. Faith must have an object - mainly the Word of God in the particular instance.

In general, if I was asked to give a word in the light of the information that the requester gave, I would have to totally ignore all the information given and wait on God for something totally different. I would find it quite difficult, therefore I would not attempt to give a prophetic word in this instance, let alone try to be the mouthpiece of God in giving a prophecy in the first person.

I would strongly recommend the requester not to accept this prophecy in its present form, and not to use it to determine what he is going to do in his situation.

I would also strongly recommend the giver of the prophecy to wait on the Lord again and get a word that does not use any of the information given, and to give his prophecy in the third person and not the first person.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So according TO YOU, God has no voice today??? I thought He was the same yesterday, today and forever. I do not go around prophesying in this manner all the time, but when the Lord moves me to speak in such a manner, I OBEY!!! If I don't then I have to answer for disobidence. I made no claims to ANYTHING in the word God gave gave me to share. You were the one who claimed me to be a Prophet or an Apostle, simply because God gave me a word to speak. And if you want proof you are asking the wrong person! Try asking the poster the word was for. Now if you are through derailing the thread from the OP's intentions maybe we can get back to working on our prophetic skills to UPLIFT and ENCOURAGE one another instead of trying to tear them down!!!!!

The hallmark of a person genuinely moving in the prophetic is that he needs to be teachable. I have a problem with your statements about God giving you words and you not being open to having those words evaluated according to Paul's teaching in 1Corinthians14.

When you give prophetic words in the first person, you are saying that your voice is the voice of God. I have been involved in the prophetic for 40 years and I would never do that. The problem with saying "This saith the Lord..." and putting your prophecy in the first person is that anyone giving a reasonable evaluation of your prophecy would have to contradict what you are saying is the unalterable voice of God equivalent to Holy Scripture. Of course, New Testament prophecy is not on that level.

I have given my evaluation of your prophecy in my previous post, and have pointed out some aspects of it which are questionable - two statements are direct responses to what the requester said himself, and so a casual observer may conclude that they came from your natural mind based on the information that you received; and another statement that is in conflict with Scripture.

Now, if my evaluation is correct, then you are seriously misrepresenting the voice of God in the prophetic. I think that you need to be teachable enough to recognise that. It would be much better for your future in the prophetic to accept the evaluation from your brothers and sisters in the Lord, than to resist them and continue to assert things that are seen by others as errors.

Because, if others see that you have made errors in the prophetic and do not show that you are prepared to be teachable about them, then they will not have confidence in any future words that you may give, even if they are correct and accurate.

 

[Yekcidmij]

STOP FIGHTING!!! That isn't what this thread was intended for! My goodness, I came in here to share about how God has been speaking to me and what happened today and all I see are arguments! This will probably be lost amongst it all anyway, but people stop the arguing. This is a prophetic PRACTICE thread. We are allowed to make mistakes in learning to hear the voice of God. God is perfect, but we are not. We are here to fellowship and support one another as we learn to hear and speak the words that we hear from our Lord.

Please share. I'm not trying to stop anyone from sharing. I like reading most of the posts.

But realize that the only reason I'm "fighting" is because I think someone may be taking the Lords name in vain. I hope that someone would care enough about God and other people to "fight" me if I'm ever caught doing that.

 

[Yekcidmij]

So according TO YOU, God has no voice today???

Is that what I said? I think I questioned the thought that God is typing on your keyboard.

I thought He was the same yesterday, today and forever.

You are absolutely right. So in keeping with His immutability, where's the validation that God is speaking directly through you as He would an Apostle?

I do not go around prophesying in this manner all the time,

Good.

but when the Lord moves me to speak in such a manner, I OBEY!!!

Good. And when someone speaks in such a manner I refuse to just believe them. I ask for validation.

If I don't then I have to answer for disobidence.

I agree. If it's from God as you say, then validation will not be a problem.

I made no claims to ANYTHING in the word God gave gave me to share. You were the one who claimed me to be a Prophet or an Apostle, simply because God gave me a word to speak.

It was the manner in which you spoke it.

And if you want proof you are asking the wrong person!

Nope, I'm not. You are the one claiming to speak the words of God Himself. Validation of your claim is going to come through you. But this appears to be a problem.

Try asking the poster the word was for. Now if you are through derailing the thread from the OP's intentions maybe we can get back to working on our prophetic skills to UPLIFT and ENCOURAGE one another instead of trying to tear them down!!!!!

I'm not content to let these things just slide. I will not, at least to the best of my fallen ability, let incorrect teachings, doctrine, or doings just slide by for the sake of encouragement. I'm all for encouragement and uplifting stuff as long as it's in line with the truth. But I think I've made my point now.

I agree with what Oscarr said too.