What ARE The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven anyhow?

[JacktheCatholic]

Yikes! Maybe they been convening in the Pope's name...

Peter was the one that Jesus appointed as the Shephard. Since the Pope is the vicar of Christ then what you say is pretty much the truth of it.

Well except for te "in the Pope's name" but I know that is your jeuvenile humor.

Shalom

 

[Rick Otto]

Now my feelin's are hurt!
"cept I guess ya did admit I have a sense of humor.
Mighty Wide of ya, Jack.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Scripture would be awesome and helpful.

sunlover

I been meaning to say this is ironic.

It is in scriptures, and like everything else scriptures is not an encyclopedia on what all they meant.

Now if the Apostles took the time to give us definitions how grand that would be.

SO they preached and taught orally, and only wrote things later after the fact.

So the keys were understood. IF you would like to know, follow Church history.

ANYWAY...

ITS right there in in ink..
"Peter, here have the keys to MY Kingdom."

WHY is that SO hard to understand I wonder?

KEYS...what are keys ppl??

KEYS open and shut doors. Lock and unlock.

How much more do we need?

It is not ignorance that shields us from understanding the basics, it is by choice we refuse to understand them.

Just putting in some perspective which is never easy and never received well.

That's life tho, isnt it?

Blessings to all.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

KEYS...what are keys ppl??

KEYS open and shut doors. Lock and unlock.

Read Isaiah 22 and learn that the Key is a symbol of authority in the sense that it gave one steward the power of the King.

If you are gonna ask for a definition then do not look to webster or merriman but instead look to scripture. Apostolic Tradition teaches us that the Keys given to Peter are his authority to act as the King or in Jesus' stead.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Read Isaiah 22 and learn that the Key is a symbol of authority in the sense that it gave one steward the power of the King.

If you are gonna ask for a definition then do not look to webster or merriman but instead look to scripture. Apostolic Tradition teaches us that the Keys given to Peter are his authority to act as the King or in Jesus' stead.

I could razzle you Jack, but I wont.

YES, keys are the authority of the GUARD who has the duty to lock and unlock...

Thjat is what keys do. Those who do not specifically have the keys cannot unlock or lock.

SO this authority was not given lightly nor was it received lightly.

Its taken for granted...yes!
But Christ was methodical and succint in WHOM He choose for this PARTICULAR role.

One bears the keys..and only ONE opens and shuts.

NOTE: One Apostle is given the KEYS...not all given a single key.

Something to ponder, isnt it?

 

[sunlover1]

I been meaning to say this is ironic.

It is in scriptures, and like everything else scriptures is not an encyclopedia on what all they meant.

But they are sufficient (according to God)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.​

SO they preached and taught orally, and only wrote things later after the fact.

Yes, they did.
Do you that what they taught orally, was something
different than what they recorded?

So the keys were understood. IF you would like to know, follow Church history.

Not quite so easy.
Some ECF say one thing, some another.
Helpful, but not inspired.

ITS right there in in ink..
"Peter, here have the keys to MY Kingdom."

WHY is that SO hard to understand I wonder?

Nothing hard about that part!
It's right there in red and white.
"I give to you the keys"...

KEYS...what are keys ppl??

KEYS open and shut doors. Lock and unlock.

How much more do we need?

Some here think they keys were given to
ALL the Apostles.
And since Jesus did say to the others later
that whatsoever they open will be opened...
Sounds right to me too.

It is not ignorance that shields us from understanding the basics, it is by choice we refuse to understand them.

So all the different opinions on this thread are
due to our refusal to understand?
Hmmmmm, I dont think so angel.
Only thing I choose to refuse to do is to follow
what any man or woman tells me is truth
withOUT searching the Scriptures to find out
if it's true what they say.
I have to stand before God ALONE one day.
And so have to give an answer for MY choices.

Just putting in some perspective which is never easy and never received well.

But this is just your perspective.
Not that yours is not important, but:
As you've seen, there are many others.

sunlover

 

[Rick Otto]

One verse isn't enough to impose a rule by.
Here is the evidence that not only Peter held & used these keys, also symbols of Gospel knowledge - truths that set one free:
Matt18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Jesus was talking to all the disciples...

[16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20: For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[sunlover1]

One verse isn't enough to impose a rule by.
Here is the evidence that not only Peter held & used these keys, also symbols of Gospel knowledge - truths that set one free:
Matt18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Jesus was talking to all the disciples...

[16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20: For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Yeah, what he said.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi. Btw, did anyone notice the "10 kings" in Revelation as not receiving a "Kingdom" as of yet?
Is that a physical,spiritual one or both? Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

[TR] Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom not-yet received/elabon <2983> (5627), but out-of-authority/ex-ousian <1849> as kings one hour they are receiving/lambanousin <2983> with the wild beast, [Zech 8:23 "Ten Men"?]

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
Greek texts taken from here:

[Tex Rep] Revelation 17:12 kai <2532> {AND} ta <3588> {THE} deka <1176> {TEN} kerata <2768> {HORNS} a <3739> {WHICH} eideV <1492> (5627) {THOU SAWEST} deka <1176> {TEN} basileiV <935> {KINGS} eisin <1526> (5748) {ARE,} oitineV <3748> {WHICH} basileian <932> {A KINGDOM} oupw <3768> {NOT YET} elabon <2983> (5627) {RECEIVED,} all <235> {BUT} exousian <1849> {AUTHORITY} wV <5613> {AS} basileiV <935> {KINGS} mian <3391> {ONE} wran <5610> {HOUR} lambanousin <2983> (5719) {RECEIVE} meta <3326> {WITH} tou <3588> {THE} qhriou <2342> {BEAST.}

 

[JacktheCatholic]

[16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

I have noticed that Protestants tend to ignore the next line...

18:17. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Tell the Church. And what church was that?

Hint: It could not be the spiritual church of all soulds in Christ.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

YES, keys are the authority of the GUARD who has the duty to lock and unlock...

Not the GUARD it is a STEWARD. Big difference.

Isaiah 22
15 Thus says the Lord, the GOD of hosts: Up, go to that official, Shebna, master of the palace

He is not a GUARD but the "Master of the Palace".

21 I will clothe him with your robe, and gird him with your sash, and give over to him your authority. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder; when he opens, no one shall shut, when he shuts, no one shall open.

The Authority of "Master of the Palace" is conferred on Eliakim and taken from Shebna. So he is more than a guard. He is Master of the Palace and Father to Jerusalem and the House of Judah. The Key placed on the shoulder becomes a symbol for this power of Authority.

When Peter received the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven he is given a symbol to show the will of Jesus. Jesus grants all the Apostles to loose and bind and so they all can forgive sins. But the Keys are given to Peter alone and show that Peter will be the "Master of the Kingdom" when Jesus rises (Acts 1).

Acts 1
8 But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
9 When he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him from their sight.

If Jesus had meant for all the Apostles to share in this authority then scripture would not only show that the Apostles received the power to loose and bind but the Keys as well. Scripture does not say any one else received the Keys but Peter. So, for someone to say so would be an assumption and as the Catholic Church teaches, a false assumption.

And just as Eliakim becomes the Father of Jersulam so Peter becomes the Pope of all Christianity and Gods children on Earth. Pope which means papa in Italian. So also does Peter pass this authority on as we see from Shebna to Eliakim. And since Peter was commanded to lead Jesus sheep he becomes the Priest in charge and receives the Chair of Peter as Moses has the Chair of Moses.

Matthew 23
1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.

And from the Chair of Peter we are to do whatever the Catholic Church tells us even if there are sinful priests that do not follow what they practice. For God preserved the Law in the Old Testament with the Seat of Moses. So God continues to protect and remember the Truth from the Seat of Peter because the Catholic Church is the "Pillar of Truth".

1 Timothy 3
15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

For you see God has a "household" here on earth that is more than our spirits in Christ. How many time I hear Protestants arguet that the Church of God is all those in the body of Christ. Which is true. But they do not see that God left us a physical church from day one, a church we can go to for the Truth when there are disputes, as I posted previously.

I have noticed that Protestants tend to ignore the next line...

18:17. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Tell the Church. And what church was that?

Hint: It could not be the spiritual church of all soulds in Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

When Peter received the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven he is given a symbol to show the will of Jesus. Jesus grants all the Apostles to loose and bind and so they all can forgive sins. But the Keys are given to Peter alone and show that Peter will be the "Master of the Kingdom" when Jesus rises.

Um, Jesus has already "Risen" LOL.

Can you provide Scriptures for Peter being the "Master" in the future?.

Hebrews 12:28 wherefore, a kingdom/basileian <932> un-shaken receiving/para-lambanonteV <3880> (5723), we may be having grace, through which we may be offering divine service to the God with piety and fear,

http://www.scripture4all.org/

[TR] Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom not-yet received/elabon <2983> (5627), but out-of-authority/ex-ousian <1849> as kings one hour they are receiving/lambanousin <2983> with the wild beast, [Zech 8:23 "Ten Men"?]

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Um, Jesus has already "Risen" LOL.

See Acts 1

Or see my finished post...

 

[sunlover1]

I have noticed that Protestants tend to ignore the next line...

18:17. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Tell the Church. And what church was that?

Hint: It could not be the spiritual church of all soulds in Christ.

Hi Jack (Love to say that )
what church was that you ask.
The church.
If you're living in Dallas, it'd be the
community of believers that you
fellowship with.
If in Corinth, that group...

What else would it be??
The pope??

(I don't get your implication)

please advise,
sunlover

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Um, Jesus has already "Risen" LOL.

See Acts 1

Or see my finished post...

You mean this one?
He has already "risen" here but not quite "taken from them" yet.

Acts 1:6 They, therefore, indeed, having come together, were questioning Him, saying, `Lord, dost thou at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel?' 7 and He said unto them, `It is not yours to know times or seasons that the Father did appoint in His own authority;

[TR] Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom/basileian <932> not-yet received/elabon <2983> (5627), but out-of-authority/ex-ousian <1849> as kings one hour they are receiving/lambanousin <2983>with the wild beast,

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Can you provide Scriptures for Peter being the "Master" in the future?.

Peter was the Master of the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth. As the vicar of Christ Peter was left in charge. This authority was for those on earth to have someone to lead them when needed by protecting the Truth and furthering the building of the Church or "household of God". When Peter was to be martyred this office was given to the next Pope and so it has continued since Peter.

List:

1. St. Peter (32-67)
2. St. Linus (67-76)
3. St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
4. St. Clement I (88-97)
5. St. Evaristus (97-105)
6. St. Alexander I (105-115)
7. St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
8. St. Telesphorus (125-136)
9. St. Hyginus (136-140)
10. St. Pius I (140-155)
11. St. Anicetus (155-166)
12. St. Soter (166-175)
13. St. Eleutherius (175-189)
14. St. Victor I (189-199)

Continued at: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Hi Jack (Love to say that )
what church was that you ask.
The church.
If you're living in Dallas, it'd be the
community of believers that you
fellowship with.
If in Corinth, that group...

What else would it be??
The pope??

(I don't get your implication)

please advise,
sunlover

Corinth? You do know Corinth is a Catholic Church.

Do you know that the early church had people running a household they said was Christian and these people and there teachings were not recognized by THE CHURCH?

You are confused with names of churches and should be understanding the teachings of the ONE church.

God said he has ONE church. That church is the Universal Household of God that was put together by the Apostles. The name they gave for their CHURCH (Singular) was the Universal Church. What do you suppose Catholic means?

Catholic comes from the Greek word for Universal. We see the mention of this name being used in 100 AD written by one of the Chrisitan Church fathers. It was used in a way to show ALL churches as being United as ONE and it was written as though it had been in use for a long time.

I wonder if Protestant education includes this???

 

[sunlover1]

When Peter received the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven he is given a symbol to show the will of Jesus. Jesus grants all the Apostles to loose and bind and so they all can forgive sins. But the Keys are given to Peter alone and show that Peter will be the "Master of the Kingdom" when Jesus rises (Acts 1).

The verse you posted shows differently:

Acts 1
8 But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Matthew 23
1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.

And from the Chair of Peter we are to do whatever the Catholic Church tells us even if there are sinful priests that do not follow what they practice.

How do you get that idea from the passage you posted?
Jesus Christ is my Lord and master.
If some church tells me to do something, that's
not in line with what the Lord says, then no, I am
absolutely not to do such.

He told Peter, "feed my sheep"
period.


1

Timothy 3
15 But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.

For you see God has a "household" here on earth that is more than our spirits in Christ. How many time I hear Protestants arguet that the Church of God is all those in the body of Christ. Which is true. But they do not see that God left us a physical church from day one, a church we can go to for the Truth when there are disputes, as I posted previously

Of course it's physical as well as spiritual.
But it's the same church.
Men who are called out by God.
Physically here, seated in the heavenlies
with Christ Jesus.

This is biblical, no?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Peter was the Master of the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth.

Hi. I asked for Sciptures, not the writings of "men"

Hebrews 12:28 wherefore, a kingdom/basileian <932> un-shaken receiving/para-lambanonteV <3880> (5723), We may be having grace/carin <5485> , through which we may be offering divine service to the God with piety and fear,

 

[JacktheCatholic]

You mean this one?

Is this an attempt at humor by being a smart ass?

I have answered your question in my previous post. You would benefit by reading it and understanding it.