What ARE The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven anyhow?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Is this an attempt at humor by being a smart ass?

I have answered your question in my previous post. You would benefit by reading it and understanding it.

Hey, you are the one playing "Mr Know It All".
Answer my question about Acts 1. What "kind of Kingdom" were they asking about?

Acts 1:6 They, therefore, indeed, having come together, were questioning Him, saying, `Lord, dost Thou at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel?' 7 and He said unto them, `It is not yours to know times or seasons that the Father did appoint in His own authority;

[TR] Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom/basileian <932>not-yet received/elabon <2983> (5627), but out-of-authority/ex-ousian <1849> as kings one hour they are receiving/lambanousin <2983> with the wild beast,

 

[sunlover1]

You are confused with names of churches and should be understanding the teachings of the ONE church.

From your post below, it seems you might be the one
confused.
Sorry, but yes, they used the word catholic (universal)
not Catholic as in your denomination.

God said he has ONE church. That church is the Universal Household of God that was put together by the Apostles. The name they gave for their CHURCH (Singular) was the Universal Church. What do you suppose Catholic means?

And I believe in the universal (catholic) church.

Catholic comes from the Greek word for Universal. We see the mention of this name being used in 100 AD written by one of the Chrisitan Church fathers. It was used in a way to show ALL churches as being United as ONE and it was written as though it had been in use for a long time.

And His church is indeed united as one.
The church that Jesus Christ founded,
the one built on the foundation of the apostles
and prophets, of which Jesus is the Cornerstone.
The Rock.

I wonder if Protestant education includes this???

k

 

[Rick Otto]

Being RC means never having to say your sorry.
How enviable.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

The verse you posted shows differently:

Acts 1
8 But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

I was using scripture to show where my statement derived from. My statement in this regards had to do with Jesus being raised to heaven because I said when Jesus rises.

If you stick to what is being said then you will understand the dialogue.

How do you get that idea from the passage you posted?
Jesus Christ is my Lord and master.
If some church tells me to do something, that's
not in line with what the Lord says, then no, I am
absolutely not to do such.

Jesus said to do as the Pharisees teach because their teachings are fine. They came from God through Moses remember?

Jesus was pointing out that even though the Phairsees are hypocrites that the teachings are Truth and from the Seat of Moses

Again you have missed the point of the quote and failed to see the link...

He told Peter, "feed my sheep"
period.

Period???

You are missing soooo much. Soooo sad.

Of course it's physical as well as spiritual.
But it's the same church.
Men who are called out by God.
Physically here, seated in the heavenlies
with Christ Jesus.

With Jesus Christ?

If only you were to know the full truth of it.

The Eucharist gives us the flesh of Christ! How sweet is that? The FINEST of bread.

For what did Jesus say?

JOHN 6
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."

This is biblical, no?

John 6 is Biblical yes and so are the other passages I have printed.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was using scripture to show where my statement derived from. My statement in this regards had to do with Jesus being raised to heaven because I said when Jesus rises.

[Is it just my computer or is the forum kind of slow responding today?]

Anyway, this is one reason I love Bible study.

Let's look at that greek word the writer used in Acts 1:6 for "restore". It is actually composed of 3 different greek words, the # 2476 denoting a "standing up" which is used in the word for "resurrection" also. I would be more than glad to elaborate on this further if you wish.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Acts 1:6 The-ones indeed then coming together, asked Him saying, `Lord!, if in to-the time, this, you are from-down-standing/apo-kaq-istaneiV <600> (5719) the Kingdom to the Israel?'

apo-kaq-istaneiV <600> (5719) Used only this one time in NT/NC.

575. apo apo' a primary particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative):--(X here-)after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for(-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-)on(-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal,
2596. kata kat-ah' a primary particle; (prepositionally) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case (genitive, dative or accusative) with which it is joined):--
2476. histemi his'-tay-mee a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively),
2525. kathistemi kath-is'-tay-mee from 2596 and 2476; to place down (permanently), i.e. (figuratively) to designate, constitute, convoy:--appoint, be, conduct, make, ordain, set.

 

[sunlover1]

Double post.

 

[sunlover1]

If you stick to what is being said then you will understand the dialogue.

I"ve been scolded.
K, I will try to behave

Jesus was pointing out that even though the Phairsees are hypocrites that the teachings are Truth and from the Seat of Moses

Again you have missed the point of the quote and failed to see the link...

Ahh, I see that you're correct and apologize for
my hasty post, answering the wrong question.

So you're saying Jesus gave Peter the seat of moses.
I disagree.

Period???

You are missing soooo much. Soooo sad.

Well, I did not miss it when Jesus
called him satan.
(humor)
Which part am i missing?
Jesus gave peter the keys, which some say
are to be the 'keeper' of the house,
others say, 'guard' still others say neither.
And I saw Jesus told Peter to feed His sheep.

Oh, AND I saw when Jesus said that the
Father would give them another comforter.
(But that wasnt Peter)

With Jesus Christ?

If only you were to know the full truth of it.

With all due respect, you don't know the full truth either.
We are all being changed by GOD from glory to glory.
Fullness of truth is future tense, IMO.

sunlover

 

[simonthezealot]

In scripture an open door can mean a number of things; John 10 :7-10 shows Jesus Himself as the door of the sheepfold, Rev 3:8 shows the open doors God gives up to us to serve, and also Rev 3:20 shows fellowship with Jesus, who stands patiently waiting at the entrance to our hearts, desiring to enter our lives...PTL!

Jesus not only holds the key to the spiritual kingdom, He in fact IS that KEY...John14:6, and HE is more than simply the key to eternal life and the blessings of the kingdom, HE also opens doors for us to minister to others. Again see Rev 3:8, 2 Cor 2:12,1 Cor 16:9....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

With Jesus Christ?

If only you were to know the full truth of it.

Hi. I decided to stud on Acts 1:6 and it appears that greek word #600 is actually composed of 3 greek words, the last being used in the word for "resurrection/standing up". Interesting.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Acts 1:6 The-ones indeed then coming together, asked Him saying, "Lord!, if in to-the time, this, from-down-standing/apo-kaq-istaneiV <600> (5719) the Kingdom to-the Israel?"

thn <3588> {THE} basileian <932> tw <3588> {TO THE} israhl <2474> {ISRAEL?}

apo-kaq-istaneiV <600> (5719) Used only this one time in NT/NC.

575. apo apo' a primary particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative):--(X here-)after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for(-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-)on(-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal,
2596. kata kat-ah' a primary particle; (prepositionally) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case (genitive, dative or accusative) with which it is joined):--
2476. histemi his'-tay-mee a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively),

2525. kathistemi kath-is'-tay-mee from 2596 and 2476; to place down (permanently), i.e. (figuratively) to designate, constitute, convoy:--appoint, be, conduct, make, ordain, set.

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

Scripture would be awesome and helpful.

Actually, the answer is in the same Chapter, a little farther down. Jesus is giving His authority to His Church. "Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" And a little later than that "Whoever hears you hears me and whoever rejects you rejects me".

 

[Rick Otto]

Yeah Iggy, almost the same... if I may re-iterate:
One verse isn't enough to impose a rule by.
Here is the evidence that not only Peter held & used these keys, (symbols of Gospel knowledge - truths that set one free, - not simply ecclesiastical authority):
Matt18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Jesus was talking to all the disciples...

[16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20: For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


And isn't it ironic that the question began with "who is the greatest", since Peter's alleged primacy is the foundation of papal authority?

 

[Kristos]

Yeah Iggy, almost the same... if I may re-iterate:
One verse isn't enough to impose a rule by.
Here is the evidence that not only Peter held & used these keys, (symbols of Gospel knowledge - truths that set one free, - not simply ecclesiastical authority):
Matt18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Jesus was talking to all the disciples...

[16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20: For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


And isn't it ironic that the question began with "who is the greatest", since Peter's alleged primacy is the foundation of papal authority?

Makes sense. Aligns with the Orthodox practice of councils - no primacy, only equals.

 

[squint]

Peter was used to show Jesus' Divine Principle of understanding the construction of MANKIND as it pertains to our present flesh.

Rather than cite the entire scriptural chain regarding Peter, let's just look first at WHO will "build His Church."

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church

What? What happened to Peter in this equation? Obviously it is JESUS who "builds" His church.

So what does PETER show us in this scriptural chain???

If you follow the very next action of Peter, this is what you SHOULD observe and find UNDERSTANDING OF THE KEY.....:

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me

Ahhh....now we see the CONDITION of Peter don't we? SUBJECT TO SATAN...

There is a voice in PETER that Jesus will agree and uphold IN TRUTH and AGREEMENT with "His Word" as Jesus showed earlier with Peter and his most accurate depiction of Jesus as The Christ, The Son of God.

And there is the VOICE of OPPOSITION that is ALSO in Peter, the VOICE OF SATAN speaking from Peter's flesh and MIND.

Bingo...you just got a KEY.

Satan is RESISTED by Jesus IN Peter.

Let's look at another application of this fact. GO TO THE CROSS. One thief (FINALLY) spoke in agreement with Jesus, and was RECOGNIZED.

The other thief DIDN'T. That man remained BOUND by a liar and Jesus does not RECOGNIZE that one which is IN MANKIND. This does not mean that the slave who DID NOT SPEAK right was condemned, but the SLAVEMASTER upon that man was not recognized, as Jesus does not KNOW them...the resistance movement, THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS.

Another application to this "key" get's real PERSONAL.

NONE can say they have no sin, or that they have not sinned, and those who do commit sin are....drumroll....OF THE DEVIL.

Now you can take the same thing that happened here in Matthew 16 and take it to YOURSELF. Yes, our flesh and minds are subjected to THE DEVIL, to SATAN...and when the "works" of the workers of iniquity transpire in the flesh, you are THEIR SLAVES.

enjoy your new KEY. This understanding WILL unlock the scriptures in YOUR behalf, and it will LOCK the gate of heaven permanently to your opposers who are in the flesh of ALL mankind.

Divide in this way with your new KEY and you "should" be able to LOVE all of your fellow man, and UNDERSTAND when "something else" speaks from them.

Jesus divided this way nearly continually in the Gospels, and He will do so AGAIN. That is HOW He builds His Church and the gates of HELL will not prevail against HIM.

squint

 

[squint]

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Many things happen when you as Gods children begin to DIVIDE in this way. Satan will assuredly both RESIST and STEAL Gods Words from the heart and SHOW HIMSELF.

What will "Satan" do? Satan will deny he exists. Satan will bring confusion and obfuscations and disputes. Satan will TRY TO BLAME ONLY MANKIND. Satan will condemn "our" fellow man whom we are to LOVE. And Satan in mankind will call YOU Satan.

When these things happen, you will KNOW you are on the "RIGHT" track.

Remember this:

Matthew 10:25
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

Good question Lord. I know.

enjoy!

squint

 

[sunlover1]

Amen and thank you Squint !!
Excellent commentary !

sunlover

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Many things happen when you as Gods children begin to DIVIDE in this way. Satan will assuredly both RESIST and STEAL Gods Words from the heart and SHOW HIMSELF.

What will "Satan" do? Satan will deny he exists. Satan will bring confusion and obfuscations and disputes. Satan will TRY TO BLAME ONLY MANKIND. Satan will condemn "our" fellow man whom we are to LOVE. And Satan in mankind will call YOU Satan.

When these things happen, you will KNOW you are on the "RIGHT" track.

Remember this:

Matthew 10:25
It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

Good question Lord. I know.

enjoy!

squint

Nice commentary.

Btw did you happen to notice that the romans were always trying to save Jesus and Paul and it was the wicked "judeans" trying to hand them over to be killed.
Reve 17:12 is rather intereseting as the same authority Jesus proclaimed to the Roman authorit is also given by YHWH to those "10 kings".

http://www.scripture4all.org/

(Tex-Rec) John 19:11 Answered the Jesus, " Not thou are having authority/exousian <1849> down/kat <2596> of Me except not being given to thee from above.
Thru this, the One-near-giving Me to thee, Greater Sin is having"

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom/basileian <932> not-yet received/elabon <2983> (5627), but authority/exousian <1849> as kings, one hour they are receiving/lambanousin <2983> with the wild beast,
17 For the God gives into the hearts of them to do the mind of Him, and to do/make one mind, and to give the Kingdom of them to the wild-beast until shall be being accomplished the Words of the God.

 

[squint]

Nice commentary.

Btw did you happen to notice that the romans were always trying to save Jesus and Paul and it was the wicked "judeans" trying to hand them over to be killed.
Reve 17:12 is rather intereseting as the same authority Jesus proclaimed to the Roman authorit is also given by YHWH to those "10 kings".

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Undoubtedly a temporal power designated to "cover" His offspring. Who are the wicked judeans but the "children of the flesh" Paul both divided in his own flesh in Romans 7 and elaborated on in Romans 9?

(Tex-Rec) John 19:11 Answered the Jesus, " Not thou are having authority/exousian <1849> down/kat <2596> of Me except not being given to thee from above.
Thru this, the One-near-giving Me to thee, Greater Sin is having"

And woe to that stiffnecked one. Better a millstone for "his" neck and be cast into the sea.

Ah, but 'tis "dragon meat" for the children of God of whom we have all been fed a portion.

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a-Kingdom/basileian <932> not-yet received/elabon <2983> (5627), but authority/exousian <1849> as kings, one hour they are receiving/lambanousin <2983> with the wild beast,
17 For the God gives into the hearts of them to do the mind of Him, and to do/make one mind, and to give the Kingdom of them to the wild-beast until shall be being accomplished the Words of the God.

We also have 10 kings, 5 at the end of each arm, and therefore The Kingdom arrives at "hand." 5 kings are on the left hand as in resistance, and the other 5 on the right to divide and lift the children.

If we have no roots in the dung growing downward, there can be no fruit production growing upward...

Many children simply lay on the Rock, and have no root in themselves discerning.

enjoy!

squint

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

We also have 10 kings, 5 at the end of each arm, and therefore The Kingdom arrives at "hand." 5 kings are on the left hand as in resistance, and the other 5 on the right to divide and lift the children.

Very interesting. I did a greek word study on this passage in Matt 8:11 always trying to harmonize Revelation with the rest of the NC/NT. {translations taken from Tex-Rec manuscript}

http://www.scripture4all.org/

(Tex-Rec) Matthew 8:11 I saying yet to ye, that many from east/ana-tolwn <395> and west/dusmwn <1424> shall be coming/hxousin <2240> (5692) and they-shall-be-being-reclined with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the Kingdom of the Heavens,

(Tex-Rec) Revelation 3:9 Behold, I am giving out of the sun-agwghV <4864>of the Adversary, to the ones saying selves Judeans to-be and not they are, butTheyare falsifying.
Behold, I-shall-be-making Them that They should be coming/hxwsin <2240> (5661), and They shall be worshipping in view of the feet of You, and They may be knowing that I Love You.

 

[Rick Otto]

Way Cool stuff, guys.
Thanks for the insights.

 

[sunlover1]

Yeah Iggy, almost the same... if I may re-iterate:
One verse isn't enough to impose a rule by.
Here is the evidence that not only Peter held & used these keys, (symbols of Gospel knowledge - truths that set one free, - not simply ecclesiastical authority):
Matt18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Jesus was talking to all the disciples...

[16: But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20: For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


And isn't it ironic that the question began with "who is the greatest", since Peter's alleged primacy is the foundation of papal authority?

Thanks.
I think this is very helpful!!

Lord, please open up the eyes of our
understanding and show us truth.
Amen