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Some Surprising Facts About Evolution

FishFace

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You fail yet again to understand the difference between fact and philosophy. Try not to confuse pure science with the philosophical theories written to explain the facts discovered by science. Facts are one thing and explanations of facts is quite another.

The only philosophical theory that has anything to do with science is the scientific method. I don't think you even know what philosophy means; it's just something you throw around disparagingly.
 
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Philosophy is anything which is formed by pure logic. The ontological argument exists only in logic (and not very sound logic), so it is a philosophy.

The instance something can be independantly confirmed, tested or otherwise verified, it is science.

I had a discussion about this with Student of the Word over in the "A good answer for..." thread in Xian Apologetics, and I pwned him thoroughly.
 
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So lemme get this straight. Nobody has witnessed the last 4.5 or so billion years of biological history on the Earth, therefore it didn't happen?

Sheesh, with logic like that, I wonder if Michael T. Griffith believes the world disappears when he closes his eyes.

Tadaa!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T0S2tLMhchM

Peter represents the evidence.
Stewie represents the Creationists.
 
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So lemme get this straight. Nobody has witnessed the last 4.5 or so billion years of biological history on the Earth, therefore it didn't happen?

Sheesh, with logic like that, I wonder if Michael T. Griffith believes the world disappears when he closes his eyes.

yeah. I wonder if we don't exist because we cant remember our birth.
 
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.Hence all objections associated with the hopelessly inadequate fossil record .

As a trained palaeontologist I tend to think that it is your knowledge of the fossil record that is hopelessly inadequate rather than the record itself.

Have you any training in, or even understanding of, palaeontology which allows you to make sweeping generalisations about the state of the fossil record?
 
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As a trained palaeontologist I tend to think that it is your knowledge of the fossil record that is hopelessly inadequate rather than the record itself.

Have you any training in, or even understanding of, palaeontology which allows you to make sweeping generalisations about the state of the fossil record?


Baggins I'm praying for you that you will be a happier man at peace with yourself and God.
 
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Oh dear,the power evolutionary tautology constantly amuses me.If you define evolution as "whatever produces classification" , then evolution must be fact in the same sense that classification is a fact. Such recasting of the theory as fact serves only to protect it from falsification.In actual fact then, evolution is nothing more than a deduction from the fact of classification .

In case you didn't know, the classification came first. And evolution is not defined as "whatever produces classification" . You, "truth above all else" ( And it does indeed seem to be far above and beyond you!). are the only one who has suggested such.

Baggins I'm praying for you that you will be a happier man at peace with yourself and God.

I think that would qualify as self-advertising public prayer. I would suggest that you go alone to your room, close the door and pray for yourself. When you have plucked the beam from your own eye, you may see well enough to pluck the mote from another's. Then again, maybe you don't see very well anyway.

:wave:
 
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Baggins I'm praying for you that you will be a happier man at peace with yourself and God.

Cool. I don't know if I could be much happier: beautiful wife, great job, lovely family and friends etc. But I will give it a go and tell you if I get any happier.

Not sure I can be at piece with your imaginary construct though, unless it is Zeus: Zeus is awesome, he has thunderbolts.

What has all this got to do with '"truth" above all else' not having the first idea what palaeontology is though? It's not like I'm ungreatful that you want me to be even happier, just it seems like a bit of a non-sequiteur in the circumstances.
 
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Here are a few general types of evidence, any one of which could be a long thread on its own:
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-The nested hierarchy that all organisms can be sorted into, corresponding both to morphological and genetic evidence. (This was observed long before Darwin (in the Linnean classification system). Common descent and the theory of evolution explains it.)
PREDICTION 2: A “NESTED” HIERARCHY OF SPECIES
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1b.asp
-The progression seen in the fossil record, and the many transitional forms between taxonomic groups.
“There are No Transitional Fossils”

http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp#fossils
-Vestigial molecular and anatomical features, and atavisms.
‘Vestigial’ Organs

http://www.trueorigin.org/lerner_resp.asp#really
-Biogeography, in the present and in the fossil record.
PREDICTION 9: PRESENT BIOGEOGRAPHY
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1c.asp


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FoeHammer.
 
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PREDICTION 2: A “NESTED” HIERARCHY OF SPECIES
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1b.asp
“There are No Transitional Fossils”

http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp#fossils
‘Vestigial’ Organs

http://www.trueorigin.org/lerner_resp.asp#really
PREDICTION 9: PRESENT BIOGEOGRAPHY
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1c.asp


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FoeHammer.
I am glad to see that Foehammer has finally admitted that his posts are nothing but "drive bys" devoid of any original thought. :p
 
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Split Rock

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No scientist, nor anyone else in recorded history for that matter, has ever observed the supposed process of evolution occurring.

Evolution is not a fact.

When I say evolution is not a fact, let me be clear what I mean by "evolution" in this statement. I do not mean microevolution. Speciation and adaptation do occur. These are microevolutionary changes or developments. Microevolution consists of limited change and adaptation. Virtually no one disputes the reality of microevolution. What I mean by "evolution" is macroevolution, or evolution at the macro level, The complete theory of evolution is the idea that life arose spontaneously from non-life (or abiogenesis), that these "primitive" cells somehow developed into "simple" organisms that swam in the ancient ponds and seas, that these organisms evolved into fish, that some fish evolved into reptiles, that some reptiles then evolved into mammals, and that some mammals evolved into man. This is the full-blown theory of evolution, and it is this theory that creationists strongly dispute.

This is from: Michael T. Griffith
These are not my words. I just want them heard.

Well he is WRONG!
Science has witnessed first hand evolution in fruit flies amongst others. Do you have any idea what evolution is? Have you ever bothered to read the theory?
Judge not in ignorance lest you be judged as ignorant!
 
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Well, lets look at your previous post and the only words you posted other than links:
Your post speaks for itself.
You really don't care about the details do you? ToE's a doddle for you isn't it?
I am glad to see that Foehammer has finally admitted that his posts are nothing but "drive bys" devoid of any original thought. :p
According to my reckoning I ''admitted'' to two drive-by posts, from that only an idiot or the woefully ignorant would construe that as an admission of anything in regards to all my posts..... :p Back at ya.

FoeHammer.
 
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Split Rock

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You really don't care about the details do you? ToE's a doddle for you isn't it?
Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.


According to my reckoning I ''admitted'' to two drive-by posts, from that only an idiot or the woefully ignorant would construe that as an admission of anything in regards to all my posts..... :p Back at ya.
Sorry, but I did base my comment on All your posts. :p

FoeHammer.
Split Rock
 
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PREDICTION 2: A “NESTED” HIERARCHY OF SPECIES
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1b.asp
“There are No Transitional Fossils”

http://www.trueorigin.org/isakrbtl.asp#fossils
‘Vestigial’ Organs

http://www.trueorigin.org/lerner_resp.asp#really
PREDICTION 9: PRESENT BIOGEOGRAPHY
http://www.trueorigin.org/theobald1c.asp


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FoeHammer.

Ahh yes, the famous creationist past time of "argument by internet link". If you really think that these websites falsify evolution then please pick one and explain it in your own words. I am not going to spend my time debunking creationists websites that you don't even understand to begin with.
 
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FoeHammer.
Indeed.

I'm with Loudmouth - I don't generally subscribe to "argument by link" myself, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect me to go into each of those links, extract and present the claims therein myself (particularly as my first perusal indicates that they are not worth presenting), and rebut them myself.

However, if you would like to do your part of the work, I'll do mine.
 
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