Foru.ms - a new beginning and a fresh start (2)

[rushingwind62]

Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.

I hope you have proof of this and that it is not just some random judgement call.

 

[Brimshack]

Of course you are, youre an atheist and standing for the downfall of a CHRISTIAN board

A smiley face hardly changes the fact that you are slanderinga number of people. It is one thing to correct doctrine, and quite another to set yourself up as a judge of other persons. It is one thing to criticize error, and quite another to ascribe motives to others in complete opposition to their own actions and public statements.

It is NOT atheists that are responsible for this change. Anyone who maintains otherwise is either woefully ignorant of the facts or wilfully deceiving others. We did NOT clamour for this change, we did not ask for it, and the majority of us do not even support it. The evidence for this fact is quite available to anyone who has taken an interest in the issue. And the continual assertion that we are responsible for this last change is increasingly taking on the character of an outright lie.

 

[Garnet2727]

Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.

Be careful now...someone will take this seriously.

oh...wait....

 

[joebudda]

I hope you have proof of this and that it is not just some random judgement call.

It is called satire.

 

[rushingwind62]

It is called satire.

okey dokey

 

[D'Ann]

Has anyone found 07-07-07 announcement thread?

I think this is the link to it.:

http://foru.ms/showthread.php?t=5657050

I apologize.

I'm sorry, I just feel (like many here) like those of us who support what the forums stand for (or used to stand for) are under attack, and I'm flailing my arms a bit haphazardly trying to protect myself and the rest of us who agree. I shouldn't have lashed out like that, and I apologize. I need to learn to think before I speak.

I think we all are shocked, hurt, angry along with a bunch of other emotions. I enjoyed your post.

 

[JoshuaM]

There is only one truth. it is in Jesus who is the Word and who by Him the New Covenant was made, and that and following the Bible's teachings are what Christianity is about.

this is what is happening in my opinion

and how come we have to pay erwin to start a poll?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.

 

[CaDan]

nm

 

[CaDan]

Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.

Xenu loves you!

 

[Brennin]

I was being facetious, as others have noted, but I did not pull the 'crypto-Scientologist' bit out of thin air. (The accusation came as little surprise to me, though, because it is hard to beat the Messianics when it comes to bringing on the crazy.)

 

[JoshuaM]

There is only one truth. it is in Jesus who is the Word and who by Him the New Covenant was made, and that and following the Bible's teachings are what Christianity is about.

this is what is happening in my opinion

and how come we have to pay erwin to start a poll?

i stand by this.

 

[Brennin]

Xenu loves you!

*Shakes fist at CaDan* Thanks a lot for stealing my thunder. I was going to remark that Xenu was behind the name change, not the Devil.

 

[CaDan]

I was being facetious, as others have noted, but I did not pull the 'crypto-Scientologist' bit out of thin air. (The accusation came as little surprise to me, though, because it is hard to beat the Messianics when it comes to bringing on the crazy.)

Whoa.

 

[Scholar in training]

Interesting spin but you have a cause and effect issue here.

The self-righteous mindset and exclusionary actions of the Pharisees was what Jesus critiqued not their beliefs.

Sure, they didn't believe him but that was because it was against their self-interest to do so.

Regardless, their actions pre-ceded the incarnation..

The self-righteous mindset was directly related to their beliefs, unless of course interpreting the Law of Moses wrong is an action and not a belief. [/sarcasm]

We see Jesus not only setting their actions right, but their beliefs as well (for instance when he said that what goes into a man does not make him unclean, an idea repeated in Paul). There is not so large a dichotomy between actions and beliefs.

Who was excluded from Jesus' table?

Who did Jesus say our neighbors happen to be?

The neighbor is the man who does the right thing, not the man who believes the right thing and yet does the wrong thing. So?

Sure.

But why do you think that is?

Why do you think dogmatic theological statements or beliefs were not among the more important aspects of Jesus' teachings?

It doesn't matter. Even if we don't find Jesus laying out systematically what Christians have to believe, he didn't say many other things that were relevant and that the early Christians would have to work out for themselves. The best argument you have here is an argument from silence.

Well sure but they believed, as do I, that those statements were true.

They did not, however, say that you cannot follow him if you disagree about certain theological statements.

Of course they did. Paul talked about "removing the evil brother from among you" for a certain period of time when necessary, and he accepted as an Apostle by the others. He also said that without the resurrection our faith is vain and we are dead in our sins.

Still, I'm afraid you're thinking in black and white (which is ironic since conservatives are often accused of doing that). It's possible for a non-Christian to be more righteous than a Christian without the conclusion being "it doesn't matter what you believe." The conclusion would be "the non-Christian is actually acting more like a Christian than the Christian is!"

In fact, Paul had something to say about following Jesus and worshipping God even if that fact is "Unknown" to those who do so....

He appealed to them on common ground in order to introduce them to Jesus, not to leave them to their beliefs and go on his merry way. Some of the people who heard him talk about the resurrection wanted to hear more, others sneered and Paul left (Acts 17:32). I guess you didn't read far enough.

Central to whom?

Gee, the deity and resurrection of Christ is central for Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox (or at least among the non-liberals therein) and of course for the Bible and the early Church.

What is central to a Catholic is different from what is central to a Protestant fundamentalist as well as different from what is essential to an EO.

And we should be ashamed that these points of division exist, but we should not gloss them over.

Most EOs consider all Western Christians heretics because a simple sub-sentence that states "and the son" was added to a certain creed many years ago...

Well I'm glad you could tell me what I believe. Clears up a lot about the way you think.

 

[stumpjumper]

I was being facetious, as others have noted, but I did not pull the 'crypto-Scientologist' bit out of thin air. (The accusation came as little surprise to me, though, because it is hard to beat the Messianics when it comes to bringing on the crazy.)

That message was from NASA.

It must be true then and, of course, it cost a lot of money

 

[CaDan]

*Shakes fist at CaDan* Thanks a lot for stealing my thunder. I was going to remark that Xenu was behind the name change, not the Devil.

Ha!

Put the cans on CF and get rid of those body thetans.

 

[Nadiine]

what I want to see:
1. Return to the right and proper name of this forum.
2. Return of the Nicean Creed as a a determination of who is Christian. Not to say others cannot post and debate here, but there has to be a line somewhere to make certain areas Christian or Open. And the Nicean Creed is pretty basic.
3. An apology and possibly refunds to those who have recently supported the website. That is if there is not a change.

Notice I do not care about the physical layout of the site.

I do not and cannot in good conscience support this new vision. I am still here at the moment because I am hopeful for repentance and change. But I am not going to invest much of my time if it cannot be saved. And I surely am not going to give any money.

I support your suggestions - the only thing I find less important (or less SIMPLE to reverse) is the Name Change here.
The Nicene Creed Preamble was the BIGGEST mistake imo. Without any agreement of the definition of a Christian at a debate site, YOU'VE CREATED A WARZONE!!.

My issue was deeper - they needed to ADD to the Preamble agreement that one must accept the Bible as the Inspired word of God.
Without accepting that, it's "your god vs my God". They ignored any scriptures you gave them to respond with "I reject that becuz the bible is written by flawed people. not God".

I am not claiming we have to have a bible to KNOW GOd's truth, just to be able to DEBATE IT properly in this venue.

THAT is what should have taken place in the format. THEN YOU'DE HAVE MORE unity which is what Erwin wanted in the first place.
If you can at least argue 'interpretion' of scripture, you at least have a base to work with - instead, scripture was thrown out entirely as useless.

It became the far left liberals VS. conservatives in the Christian section.
Changing the preamble would've fixed alot of that but instead, got removed. So out goes any clarification of what a Christian even is here.

So I'd
1) leave the domain name as Foru.ms ( it's already DONE at high cost, leave it be),
2) offer refunds to those who paid for a CF subscription and disagree with this change.
3) reinstitute the Nicene Creed/ with the addition of agreement that the Bible is God's inspired word
4) CLOSE THE 'FAITH' SECTION TO NONBELIEVERS to create a safe-haven for Christians so they aren't targets for skeptics in their respective areas.

*there are some other things that would fine tune it even more and be fair (imo), but I think even if just these were done it would be a MIRACLE... so little steps first, if any.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

Of course you are, youre an atheist and standing for the downfall of a CHRISTIAN board

I don't like this statement very much... you'd be surprised how many non-Christians also disagree with all of this. It's not cool to make accusations like that, dude. Also it's inevitable that equally erroneous counter-accusations will be made and then we're firmly in the handbasket.

You should speak to people like Brimshack and Little Owl and Vylo and Sparklecat instead of blaming them for stuff. Whether any of us agree with the changes or not to whatever degree, the only person who actually made the change was Erwin.

Christian vs. non-Christian is an appalling paradigm and one we all of us need to actively resist.

 

[CaDan]

I support your suggestions - the only thing I find less important (or less SIMPLE to reverse) is the Name Change here.
The Nicene Creed Preamble was the BIGGEST mistake imo. Without any agreement of the definition of a Christian at a debate site, YOU'VE CREATED A WARZONE!!.

My issue was deeper - they needed to ADD to the Preamble agreement that one must accept the Bible as the Inspired word of God.
Without accepting that, it's "your god vs my God". They ignored any scriptures you gave them to respond with "I reject that becuz the bible is written by flawed people. not God".

I am not claiming we have to have a bible to KNOW GOd's truth, just to be able to DEBATE IT properly in this venue.

THAT is what should have taken place in the format. THEN YOU'DE HAVE MORE unity which is what Erwin wanted in the first place.
If you can at least argue 'interpretion' of scripture, you at least have a base to work with - instead, scripture was thrown out entirely as useless.

It became the far left liberals VS. conservatives in the Christian section.
Changing the preamble would've fixed alot of that but instead, got removed. So out goes any clarification of what a Christian even is here.

So I'd
1) leave the domain name as Foru.ms ( it's already DONE at high cost, leave it be),
2) offer refunds to those who paid for a CF subscription and disagree with this change.
3) reinstitute the Nicene Creed/ with the addition of agreement that the Bible is God's inspired word
4) CLOSE THE 'FAITH' SECTION TO NONBELIEVERS to create a safe-haven for Christians so they aren't targets for skeptics in their respective areas.

*there are some other things that would fine tune it even more and be fair (imo), but I think even if just these were done it would be a MIRACLE... so little steps first, if any.

How about Tobit?