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[Scholar in training]

If the Muslim, Hindu, and all the other "faiths" in the world also use faith to convince and reinforce their own beliefs then how can one know if their "faith" is really correct if it "feels" correct?

There are just beliefs people hold. If we can't look past them we are all doomed.

Not everyone bases their beliefs on "feelings." That is an insulting strawman at best and dishonest at worst.

 

[SunMessenger]

i had this feeling for couple of days, i dont even want to come back here, not only you

Do not stop the fight for what is right until it is done. Ignore the hopeless mentality. Do not stop being guided by the Holy Spirit to do what must be done. I am praying for you . God Bless

 

[SunMessenger]

I pray the Spirit of the Lord will enlighten you to the difference because no words can describe what His revelation knowledge of Christ is like. It must be experienced.

Praise God ! Amen ! Amen ! Amen !

 

[psalms 91]

just read this and understood that this place will not change back to what it used to be

He also did not say he wouldnt. I will wait and hear what is said and he makes a clear statement on his intentions in terms of rolling back the changes or letting them stand and then the majority of us that are dissatisfied can make decisions based on that.

 

[stumpjumper]

I agree. Yet we have been through this my friend.

True. Maybe more people need to read Kierkegaard

We need the truth to be made clear here.

Truth is subjectivity. Truth is a relational state of existence...

When the question of truth is raised in an objective manner, reflection is directed objectively to the truth, as an object to which the knower is related. Reflection is not focused upon the relationship, however, but upon the question of whether it is the truth to which the knower is related. If only the object to which he is related is the truth, the subject is accounted to be in the truth. When the question of the truth is raised subjectively, reflection is directed subjectively to the nature of the individual’s relationship; if only the mode of this relationship is in the truth, the individual is in the truth even if he should happen to be thus related to what is not true. ~ Soren Kierkegaard Concluding Unscientific Postscript
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[joebudda]

UNITY

seeing as it is Christ who has united us , all Christians belong to ONE body , it is not suprising the Lord takes it as an affront to see some attempting to unite what God has already been united by His SON.

If you want God's blessing , best not to undermine Him!


As I said before , it's like me kicking in the doors of your mum and dad's and saying "hi , I've come to unite your Mum and Dad "

and you reply "get out of here you idiot , they have been married 40 years" !!!



Divisions
divisions amongst Christians usually stem from immaturity , the same as divisions with married couples.




One of the reasons CHRISTIANforums worked so well , yes you can laugh .... is that Christians from all over the theological geographical spectrum are/were here , I could have gone and remained in a Dozen Calvinist websites but found debate and discussion with Christians who differed much more interesting and challenging ......... sword sharpens sword.

I can not disagree with this. And I think all of this separation is immaturity. But nonetheless its presence is deafening at times.

 

[cygnusx1]

There does seem to be something underhanded about dropping the name Christian from this web site while at the same time saying it will be run on "Christian Principles"


that's like some slick marketing campaign , but totally against scripture ;


"We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
2Cor 4:2

 

[AG]

Which brings a question to my mind... (great post by the way)

HOW can this board be run on "christian principals" when the nicene creed that was promised to stay, and the name of Christ is removed against majority vote and all this is founded on LIES?

it says clearly in description of the site, it is only GUIDED by christianity, not BASED on it...so forget bout this site ever being a christian site...it used to be, but no longer is...there is just a bunch of reaks like us trying to fight with Devil, who is rejoicing at the momen, thinking that he has won it over.. NO WAY SATAN

 

[Glass*Soul]

In case anyone missed this, Erwin wrote a reason for the name change at the bottom of drstevej's poll on changing the name of Christianforums...

http://foru.ms/t5757523&page=20

or me and probably many others as well so I wonder what drove this poll and why more didnt see it?

Perhaps I can offer an interesting timeline:

On 7-23-07 at 2:07 pm EDT, drstevej started a poll entitled "Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)" in the new Conservative Christians Congregational Forum:

http://foru.ms/t5757523

Three days later drstevej was e-banned.

I can't give the exact time that Erwin e-banned drstevej, but Protinus first became aware that it had been done on 7-26-07 at about 7:08 pm EDT and commented on the fact a few minutes later on another website. At any rate, all of drstevej's post's disappeared from the board at about that time due to his being e-banned by Erwin himself.

On 7-26-07 at 9:50 EDT Erwin made a bid on the new Foru.ms domain name:

http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887

Erwin reversed drstevej's e-ban on 7-27-07. Again, I don't know the exact time, but drstevej posted again in his poll thread at 9:45 pm EDT thanking Erwin for moving it into the Announcements Forum. I don't know how many votes option one had at that point.

On 7-27-07 at 9:50 pm EDT, Erwin himself made a comment in drstevej's poll thread indicating that it had been brought to his attention via PM. He did not say when or by whom. He also at that time reworded the options:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37125163&postcount=142

A new poll was started in the Announcements Forum with Erwin's reworded options:

http://foru.ms/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision-poll-vote-only-here.html

I'm going to leave this up to the community. I've extended the above poll to 3rd of August.

I will listen to the members here, and will defer to the final decision.

Drstevej's original poll was finally locked on 7-28-07 at 11:02 am EDT with 50 votes in favor of a name change.

On 7-28-07 at 10:18 pm EDT, Erwin started a thread asking our input on an "Option 3".

http://foru.ms/t5794084-what-would-option-3-look-like.html

On 8-4-07 at 10:27 pm EDT, Erwin made a further announcment. The thread was locked and not open for discussion:

http://foru.ms/t5840623-all-these-polls.html

Just letting everyone know I am keeping track of the polls. However, in the end, the decision of whether to change the name of the site (which is still a possibility) and change the vision of the site will remain mine.

Today, Erwin posted again in drstevej's old poll:

http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887

FWIW, I never thought of changing the name of the site until the suggestion in this thread and the results of this poll.

I hope that helps everyone put the discussion into perspective. I now have a splitting headache.

 

[Time2BCounted]

In other words it is a stand to claim my Christianity is more correct then their Christianity. And the forum says so too, so there.

Since when do lies constitute Christianity and not the need for repentance?

Where in the bible do you see "stick your head in the sand, pretend that you dont know right from wrong, and no matter WHAT you do NEVER stand for right"?

Can you not even perceive what this is all about?

Do YOU stand for right and integrity? If so why do you choose not to when it comes to God and christians?

 

[joebudda]

Not everyone bases their beliefs on "feelings." That is an insulting strawman at best and dishonest at worst.

We all do, it is human nature.
I can point you to some enlightening neuroscience books if you so wish?

 

[SunMessenger]

it says clearly in description of the site, it is only GUIDED by christianity, not BASED on it...so forget bout this site ever being a christian site...it used to be, but no longer is...there is just a bunch of reaks like us trying to fight with Devil, who is rejoicing at the momen, thinking that he has won it over.. NO WAY SATAN

Right!!!

 

[AG]

Do not stop the fight for what is right until it is done. Ignore the hopeless mentality. Do not stop being guided by the Holy Spirit to do what must be done. I am praying for you . God Bless

thank you brother!

 

[SunMessenger]

There does seem to be something underhanded about dropping the name Christian from this web site while at the same time saying it will be run on "Christian Principles"


that's like some slick marketing campaign , but totally against scripture ;


"We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."
2Cor 4:2

Hmm... You might be right .

 

[Scholar in training]

We all do, it is human nature.
I can point you to some enlightening neuroscience books if you so wish?

A degree of subjectivity isn't the same thing as total subjectivity.

 

[Breetai]

Hi

Just came back from my medical conference - it was an all day one. The polls were close - the initial post did suggest I change the forum name, and in fact, I got a PM the day before I changed the forum name asking me to change the domain name to remove the Christian bit.

I bought the domain name after the poll came out for me to change the domain name. Whether I was going to use it for this site or not was still undecided at that time - I had some options at that stage, and only one of them was to use that name for this site.

I don't believe I lied, and I'm sorry you feel that way. There was no intention to mislead - the intention was to radically change the scope of the site to be more inclusive, while retaining a Christian identity

The mind of this man changes with the wind, and so do the rules and policies of this site with it. In the going on four years that I've been here I've lost count how many times there have been "new" rules and policies. Now that the new rules and policies include anyone who claims to be a Christian in the Christian, no matter how heretical against Christianity (denying that Christ is God (not a god), denying that Christ physically rose from death, denying that Christ is the way, the only way, to salvation is not Christianity), and even gives non-Christians the power to moderate and vote(!) on what was a Christian, I no longer have any interest in taking this site seriously. I would withdraw my membership and donations from any church that would pull such crap, and this site is no different at all. I'm sure I'll hang around and add my piece of mind and have a few "hissy fits", as one moderated calls this, but I make no apologies for calling a cult a cult, a non-Christian a non-Christian, and a heretic a heretic. As well, I was once a site-supporter, but I cannot justify giving this place another yen.

 

[Stormy]

If the Muslim, Hindu, and all the other "faiths" in the world also use faith to convince and reinforce their own beliefs then how can one know if their "faith" is really correct if it "feels" correct?

There are just beliefs people hold. If we can't look past them we are all doomed.[/QUOTE]

there is no death in christ.

i can see that people of other faiths are reaching out to god, and i can even see the light that he sheds on them to help them live this life.

but tell me, where is their salvation? how good must they be? what must they do? and in some cases who must they kill?

it is only through christ that mankind can be saved. there is no other possible way. i just pray that life can still be given after the grave. that jesus lives in the spirit of others, or that his truth will be allowed even after we preach all hope is gone. if anyone can save the dead it is christ.

 

[stumpjumper]

Not everyone bases their beliefs on "feelings." That is an insulting strawman at best and dishonest at worst.

I don't read Joe's post as stating that, though.

The problem here stems from Christians who define something, mainly faith, as true or false based upon the beliefs or definition of that faith.

In that sense, a Muslims faith is invalid or false is they make statements about God that are in disagreement with a Christian's faith. In that sense, again, Christians who have a difference of opinion can not both have a valid expression of faith if they disagree on a foundational claim. It was because of this latter view that people were not considered Christian, even if they believed they were, if they did not agree with the Nicene Creed.

It's the entirely wrong way to approach the issue of faith and or religious truths. All truths start out with subjective experiences. We can move beyond that initial starting point and look at whether or not those truth statements actually correspond to something in reality or something which is actually the case but they all start out as subjective perceptions, though.

 

[SunMessenger]

Option Three Entire Thread here...

http://foru.ms/t5794084&page=66

 

[RedTulipMom]

Perhaps I can offer an interesting timeline:

On 7-23-07 at 2:07 pm EDT, drstevej started a poll entitled "Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)" in the new Conservative Christians Congregational Forum:

http://foru.ms/t5757523

Three days later drstevej was e-banned.

I can't give the exact time that Erwin e-banned drstevej, but Protinus first became aware that it had been done on 7-26-07 at about 7:08 pm EDT and commented on the fact a few minutes later on another website. At any rate, all of drstevej's post's disappeared from the board at about that time due to his being e-banned by Erwin himself.

On 7-26-07 at 9:50 EDT Erwin made a bid on the new Foru.ms domain name:

http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887

Erwin reversed drstevej's e-ban on 7-27-07. Again, I don't know the exact time, but drstevej posted again in his poll thread at 9:45 pm EDT thanking Erwin for moving it into the Announcements Forum. I don't know how many votes option one had at that point.

On 7-27-07 at 9:50 pm EDT, Erwin himself made a comment in drstevej's poll thread indicating that it had been brought to his attention via PM. He did not say when or by whom. He also at that time reworded the options:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37125163&postcount=142

A new poll was started in the Announcements Forum with Erwin's reworded options:

http://foru.ms/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision-poll-vote-only-here.html



Drstevej's original poll was finally locked on 7-28-07 at 11:02 am EDT with 50 votes in favor of a name change.

On 7-28-07 at 10:18 pm EDT, Erwin started a thread asking our input on an "Option 3".

http://foru.ms/t5794084-what-would-option-3-look-like.html

On 8-4-07 at 10:27 pm EDT, Erwin made a further announcment. The thread was locked and not open for discussion:

http://foru.ms/t5840623-all-these-polls.html




Today, Erwin posted again in drstevej's old poll:

http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887




I hope that helps everyone put the discussion into perspective. I now have a splitting headache.

thanks so much for posting this..i had already figured it all out and pieced it together as well..but didnt see it all in one post with all the links..good job