Disgusted with Nickelodeon

[BAFRIEND]

It is also very easy (maybe too easy) for someone who has never been in a crisis pregnancy situation to criticize what a woman does when she is pregnant and alone. I can understand how someone can convince themselves its just a clump of cells and not a baby. It's a lot easier than you think. Being face to face with bills to pay, no one to support you, etc wears on you. Its hard for me to call it evil when a woman who is young and alone and scared has an abortion.

Would you buy that as an argument for abortion not being categorically evil? No? Then you shouldn't buy it with repsect to torture.

“The penalty of excommunication for abortion extends to the mother, all medical personnel, anyone who offers the mother moral or financial support to abort, as well as those who publicly campaign for legalized abortion. Incidentally, no formal notification of such excommunication is necessary, as it takes effect as soon as the action is performed.” p. 77 The Catholic Answer Book vol 1, Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas PH.D S.T.D.

 

[français]

First Ammendment!!

why are you disgusted that people are using their freedom of speech?

no one ever argues when Fox News makes lies, or when any of the neo right media makes nonsense claims yet all of a sudden when a few kids speak out against a war, which the Pope has also been unfavorable of, it all of a sudden it just the worse thing ever.

i salute those kids for using their freedom of speech, and their freedom to protest.

i salute ANYONE who uses their freedom of speech

 

[Miss Shelby]

Jeff,

I don't know if you've ever seen the Amanda Bynes show, but it's a little variety show hosted by Amanda and they act out little skits.

I cut my kids off from Nick when I we were watching it one day and there was a skit on the Amanda show which was clearly making fun of old people simply becuase they were old. It was set up in a nursing home and middle aged adults were dressed up as elderly folks and Amanda and one of her guest 'star' peer actors were singing to them and literally riduling them for no other reason than 'you're old'--making fun of the their wrinlkles, that they walk slow, etc. Very tasteless.

 

[BAFRIEND]

First Ammendment!!

why are you disgusted that people are using their freedom of speech?

no one ever argues when Fox News makes lies, or when any of the neo right media makes nonsense claims yet all of a sudden when a few kids speak out against a war, which the Pope has also been unfavorable of, it all of a sudden it just the worse thing ever.

i salute those kids for using their freedom of speech, and their freedom to protest.

i salute ANYONE who uses their freedom of speech

Every single day it seems I hear folks arguing over FOX news.

 

[français]

Every single day it seems I hear folks arguing over FOX news.

yeah, because they try to make things happen that shouldn't. like they make theirselves believe something will.

like bill o'reily CONSTANTLY complains that "liberals are going to complain about Gulliani's marriags." sorry o'reily, i know you want thtat to happen so you can complain, but it's not going to!!

they make lies and they make themselves think that things are going to happen when they don't.

sorry if i don't make sense.. my English isn't perfect.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I am a Democrat, but I gave Bush my vote and will do it again just on the abortion issue.

I don't watch FOX or CNN, I get my news from the local channel.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

If you served with someone for a couple years and that person becomes your best friend and you see that person get his legs blown off what are you going to do Charlie ?

Well,

1) Call for a medic
2) secure a safe perimeter
3) open emergancy combat medical kit
4) administer 1.5 units morphine
5) put on a quickclot
6) wrap quickclot tight to wound using gauze pressure tape
7) Contact commanding officer to report situation and request emergancy evacutaion.

Roughly I beleive that's the procedure.

Note that it does not include "go out and kill/rape/torture somebody to avenge the wounded soldier."

 

[Woodsy]

we can show the evils of abortions without the gore

The gore is exactly what turned me from being staunchly "pro-choice" to being vehemently pro-life. I was faced with a truth that I had been able to deny until that day that I looked at those placards.

The same way, I guess, that anti-war activists use photos of injured soldiers and civilians to make their own point. But it only makes sense when they do it, some would say.

 

[BAFRIEND]

The gore is exactly what turned me from being staunchly "pro-choice" to being vehemently pro-life. I was faced with a truth that I had been able to deny until that day that I looked at those placards.

The same way, I guess, that anti-war activists use photos of injured soldiers and civilians to make their own point. But it only makes sense when they do it, some would say.

Same here. I was fourteen and and my sixteen year old sister and her friend were talking about how evil abortion was. I chimed in that I thought abortion was a good thing. My sister showed me a picture of an aborted fetus and said, "That is a baby." Never ever said anything in favor of pro-choice again. It is sad and it is wrong. That life belongs to another human being and no one has the right to take it.

 

[BAFRIEND]

when my sister got pregnant my mother told her she should get an abortion.

My nephew is in the Air Force and has already served one tour in Iraq. He is a great kid and friend. My mother loves him.

 

[Woodsy]

Same here. I was fourteen and and my sixteen year old sister and her friend were talking about how evil abortion was. I chimed in that I thought abortion was a good thing. My sister showed me a picture of an aborted fetus and said, "That is a baby." Never ever said anything in favor of pro-choice again. It is sad and it is wrong. That life belongs to another human being and no one has the right to take it.

For something that "isn't a person," it sure looks a heck of a lot like a corpse.

 

[Filia Mariae]

“The penalty of excommunication for abortion extends to the mother, all medical personnel, anyone who offers the mother moral or financial support to abort, as well as those who publicly campaign for legalized abortion. Incidentally, no formal notification of such excommunication is necessary, as it takes effect as soon as the action is performed.” p. 77 The Catholic Answer Book vol 1, Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas PH.D S.T.D.

I think you missed the point....

Just because something can be "justified" by extenuating circumstances doesn't mean it is not evil.

 

[BAFRIEND]

I think you missed the point....

Just because something can be "justified" by extenuating circumstances doesn't mean it is not evil.

Congregation for the Doctorine of Faith: Declaration on Abortion
National Congress of Catholic Bishops: “No Catholic can responsibly take ‘a pro-choice’ stand when the ‘choice’ in question involves the taking of innocent human life”.

 

[plmarquette]

At what age is a appropriate in your mind to actually start acting on your moral underpinning ?

At what age does empathy being to to work on your concience ?

At what age are you aware of the world around you and it affect on you ?

At what age are you expected witness your beliefs ?

The Catholic Church says 7.

What do you say ?

As a "CHRISTIAN NATION" we should not stand by while satan and his puppet governments kill people (ezekiel 3.18-24)... Darfur , Rhawanda , Israel , & the middle east ... or we as a people will stand before God and explain why a crimp in our life style is more important than immortal souls...

War stinks ... but how else do you deal with the devil's children who insist upon doing evil to all men ?
We interogate ,investigate, and inconvenience prisoners compared to what took place by Sadaam , North vietnam, north korea , etc. is it not better to interrogate some to save hundreds or thousands ?

We , to the best of my knowledge do not have a problem with child labor ... many 3rd world nations do ..

If hamburger , steak , pork , and fillet of fish is animal abuse ... mea culpa , mea culpa , mea maxima culpa

The spin right now , an election year , is that some how Obama , Clinton , or some other liberal left wing dove will undo what bush has done ... (talk's cheap) ...

... there is no good answer to this mess & perhaps some are right , these are the events that lead up to armageddon ...

... we pull out , a civil war , a blood bath , destabilization of area , increase of terrorism , more 911 fun and games here ...

 

[plmarquette]

At what age is a appropriate in your mind to actually start acting on your moral underpinning ?

At what age does empathy being to to work on your concience ?

At what age are you aware of the world around you and it affect on you ?

At what age are you expected witness your beliefs ?

The Catholic Church says 7.

What do you say ?

Do you oppose war because it is wrong or because your child wishes to go and fight ?

Are you providing an alternative to war , partnering with a ministry that does the corporal works of mercy ?

Have you read and investigated the Quoran , the culture, the history , and what is taking place or just repeating what ABC, CBS, NBC, & CNN are saying

Are your children walking in love - 1 Corinthians chapter 13 , the 11th commandment , attending services on a regular basis , demonstrating by their words and lives that they are Christian ?

I fail to see what a grade school child with a picket sign can accomplish ... Adults write , produce , and air kids programs .... adults decide what children should do , watch, believe ...

I believe the point that is trying to be made is that the problem with alkida , and the islamoterrorists is that adults "brain wash" children with a preconceived mind set , with an agenda of jihaad and terror in those countries .... and some of the media spin in this country is painting a very bleak picture of our country as the aggressor , when the antithisis is the truth ..

 

[Filia Mariae]

Congregation for the Doctorine of Faith: Declaration on Abortion
National Congress of Catholic Bishops: “No Catholic can responsibly take ‘a pro-choice’ stand when the ‘choice’ in question involves the taking of innocent human life”.

You continue to not get it.

I am not disputing the intrinsically evil nature of abortion.

I am making the point that that which is intrinsically evil (such as abortion, torture, etc) cannot be justified by a sticky situation.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

As a "CHRISTIAN NATION" we should not stand by while satan and his puppet governments kill people (ezekiel 3.18-24)... Darfur , Rhawanda , Israel , & the middle east ... or we as a people will stand before God and explain why a crimp in our life style is more important than immortal souls...

War stinks ... but how else do you deal with the devil's children who insist upon doing evil to all men ?
We interogate ,investigate, and inconvenience prisoners compared to what took place by Sadaam , North vietnam, north korea , etc. is it not better to interrogate some to save hundreds or thousands ?

We , to the best of my knowledge do not have a problem with child labor ... many 3rd world nations do ..

If hamburger , steak , pork , and fillet of fish is animal abuse ... mea culpa , mea culpa , mea maxima culpa

The spin right now , an election year , is that some how Obama , Clinton , or some other liberal left wing dove will undo what bush has done ... (talk's cheap) ...

... there is no good answer to this mess & perhaps some are right , these are the events that lead up to armageddon ...

... we pull out , a civil war , a blood bath , destabilization of area , increase of terrorism , more 911 fun and games here ...

Do you oppose war because it is wrong or because your child wishes to go and fight ?

Are you providing an alternative to war , partnering with a ministry that does the corporal works of mercy ?

Have you read and investigated the Quoran , the culture, the history , and what is taking place or just repeating what ABC, CBS, NBC, & CNN are saying

Are your children walking in love - 1 Corinthians chapter 13 , the 11th commandment , attending services on a regular basis , demonstrating by their words and lives that they are Christian ?

I fail to see what a grade school child with a picket sign can accomplish ... Adults write , produce , and air kids programs .... adults decide what children should do , watch, believe ...

I believe the point that is trying to be made is that the problem with alkida , and the islamoterrorists is that adults "brain wash" children with a preconceived mind set , with an agenda of jihaad and terror in those countries .... and some of the media spin in this country is painting a very bleak picture of our country as the aggressor , when the antithisis is the truth ..

All I was saying was that a child wasn't necessary a mindless tools of his parents.........

Where you got the rest of this this I have no idea.

 

[plmarquette]

All I was saying was that a child wasn't necessary a mindless tools of his parents.........Where you got the rest of this this I have no idea.

Where do our children get their opinions .... Paris Hilton , Cindy Sheehan , Al Gore , Derek Obamma, Hillary Clinton ,

the evening news ...

what mom and dad are complaining about ...
that the kids pick up on

and many who protest , care very little about the issue at hand for some one is paying them to do so ...

Jesus said there would always be wars and rumors of wars ... our very lives are spiritual conflicts between our conscience and temptations ...

If we the Christians do not oppose lies , half truths, inuendos, evil , & fantasy presented as truth ...who will ?

If we as parents do not impress upon our children that many things we must do , must endure , are not on societies top 10 list ..

it does not win friends or influence people , not convenient , not make you popular , not warm and fuzzy , not agreeable to the mainstream ... the right thing to do ... in the eyes of God , not of man ..

When we were young we knew it all , for all of it was so simple , black and white , and then ... years pass ... and we find out that very little is simple or black and white , but some shade of gray ...

Or to summerize the whole shebang ... garbage in , garbage out ...

Money, not morality or ethics talks ... and if you do not make a dent in the media's , industries , economies , or cultures pocket book , you are just a clanking bell or a vibrating gong ... another angry person making noise , affecting nothing ..

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

All I was saying was that a child wasn't necessary a mindless tools of his parents.........Where you got the rest of this this I have no idea.

Where do our children get their opinions .... Paris Hilton , Cindy Sheehan , Al Gore , Derek Obamma, Hillary Clinton ,

the evening news ...

what mom and dad are complaining about ...
that the kids pick up on

and many who protest , care very little about the issue at hand for some one is paying them to do so ...

Jesus said there would always be wars and rumors of wars ... our very lives are spiritual conflicts between our conscience and temptations ...

If we the Christians do not oppose lies , half truths, inuendos, evil , & fantasy presented as truth ...who will ?

If we as parents do not impress upon our children that many things we must do , must endure , are not on societies top 10 list ..

it does not win friends or influence people , not convenient , not make you popular , not warm and fuzzy , not agreeable to the mainstream ... the right thing to do ... in the eyes of God , not of man ..

When we were young we knew it all , for all of it was so simple , black and white , and then ... years pass ... and we find out that very little is simple or black and white , but some shade of gray ...

Or to summerize the whole shebang ... garbage in , garbage out ...

Money, not morality or ethics talks ... and if you do not make a dent in the media's , industries , economies , or cultures pocket book , you are just a clanking bell or a vibrating gong ... another angry person making noise , affecting nothing ..

For future consideration:

a little more barbituates, a little less mescaline.

 

[stivvy]

...you must have missed the thread where Stivy posted a cigar-related comment in response to a picture of Sheryl Crow and Bill Clinton being posted...

I missed that, can you reproduce what I did or said? Does sound funny though