Proper form of Baptism

[JacktheCatholic]

Question for the Pentecostal Church.

What is the proper form for Baptism as far as the words are concerned?

I mean, can it be said "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" or should it be "in the name of Jesus".

Thanks,

Jack

 

[jeolmstead]

It really depends on which Pentecostal group you ask. I think that “Pentecostal Oneness” groups would say Jesus’ name only (because they do not believe in the trinity) Most other Pentecostal groups would say Father, Son, and Spirit.

John O.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

It really depends on which Pentecostal group you ask. I think that “Pentecostal Oneness” groups would say Jesus’ name only (because they do not believe in the trinity) Most other Pentecostal groups would say Father, Son, and Spirit.

John O.

That makes sense for my situation.

I have a friend who is Pentecostal and says I am not baptized because the Catholic Church uses the Triune. However, in Bible study a gal said that her Pentecostal church baptizes with the Triune (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

 

[jeolmstead]

Personally I think what’s in your heart is more important then what was said over you.

The ceremony is a physical demonstration of what is supposed to have happened to you spiritually. We have been born from above. In this act we are identifying with the death and resurrection of Christ. It also announces to the world this fact.

It’s important

But, It’s like my wedding ring. You don’t have to be married to wear one but, if you’re not married what would be the point?

Also, I do not have to wear my ring. I’m still married but, how does that look? What would my wife think of me? “Honey I love you but I don’t want to wear the ring.”

John O.

 

[New_Wineskin]

Question for the Pentecostal Church.

What is the proper form for Baptism as far as the words are concerned?

I mean, can it be said "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" or should it be "in the name of Jesus".

Thanks,

Jack

For argument's sake , let's say that water baptism actually has significance . Ok ... if it does , what is said is of no consequence . It is between the believer and the Lord . If what is said matters , it becomes like a pagan chant or a witch's spell - one wrong word and it doesn't take - you must do it all over again .

 

[JimB]

Does anyone have to say anything? Can’t a deaf-mute baptize someone? If the validity of a baptism depended on what the preacher said then the preacher would be a mediator between God and man. Heck you can baptize yourself, IMO. And it is hard to say anything under water.

~Jim

Parents who set good examples don’t need to set many rules.​

 

[Dave01]

AOG is in the trinity.

Do it with both if you are concerned about it. I know some folks that have done that just so others couldn't accuse them of doing it wrong.

 

[Questioning Christian]

I agree with jeolmstead there.

It's what's in your heart, for which you're getting baptized.

If your heart's not right, you can get baptized in the name of Methuselah, Mephibosheth, Machpelah, and Melchisedec, and it won't accomplish squat!

 

[habeas]

Does anyone have to say anything? Can’t a deaf-mute baptize someone? If the validity of a baptism depended on what the preacher said then the preacher would be a mediator between God and man. Heck you can baptize yourself, IMO. And it is hard to say anything under water.

~Jim

Parents who set good examples don’t need to set many rules.​

That's what the first Anabaptist did; he just splashed some water on himself. And he was greatly hated for it - but that's another story.

 

[Solidlyhere]

The Bible does NOT explain how to perform the Ritual of Baptism.

I imagine that if Jesus (or Paul, or other writers) thought it was important, they would have said so.
Many other things are spelled out.
No one chose to tell us.
And the Early Church (also) did not choose to write it down (like Eusebius, in the 4th Century).
There MUST be a reason for this.

Since no one told us a preferred method, then each Church (and, each baptizee-to-be) can decide what is appropriate for its/his use.

The ritual is what is important.
What is said is less important.
In fact, why wouldn't we baptize people in Aramaic -- or Greek -- (and REALLY do it the old-fashion way)?

 

[SharonL]

n/m

 

[he4rty]

In fact, why wouldn't we baptize people in Aramaic -- or Greek -- (and REALLY do it the old-fashion way)?

Better rip out them old baptism pools then and start heading for the nearest river.

I suppose the most Important thing to say is from the person getting baptised, They should make a statement accepting Jesus as lord and saviour and repenting of there sins, I know alot of churches do this in a similar vain to the marriage vowels.

 

[New_Wineskin]

Does anyone have to say anything? Can’t a deaf-mute baptize someone? If the validity of a baptism depended on what the preacher said then the preacher would be a mediator between God and man. Heck you can baptize yourself, IMO. And it is hard to say anything under water.

~Jim

Parents who set good examples don’t need to set many rules.​

I agree . If you *need* water baptism , you can allow the Lord to water baptize you in the rain . Or , you can allow Him to water baptize you in the shower . You can be water baptized every day .

 

[New_Wineskin]

I know someone that is a nurse and she always baptises babies that are newborn and in trouble - she does not tell the parents or say anything to anyone - I feel this is alright. She baptises them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

If I found out someone did that to my child , I would sue that person individually and do whatever I could to have their credentials revoked . I would also sue the hospital - at the very least to have the person fired .

 

[New_Wineskin]

I have twin grandbabies whose parents believe in God but at the present time are not in church - I was not comfortable that they were not baptised or dedicated, whichever one you believe in - so I baptised them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - I was not sure what to do - but I ask for Jesus to let the Holy Spirit give me a check in my spirit if I was not suppose to do it - I did not receive that check - I have not told the parents anything about it - they would be ok with it - but it was something that was private with me. Do you think that was right?

You broke trust and were deceptive - Satan's biggest attributes . I see nothing "right" about it .

 

[Dave01]

I know someone that is a nurse and she always baptises babies that are newborn and in trouble - she does not tell the parents or say anything to anyone - I feel this is alright. She baptises them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I have twin grandbabies whose parents believe in God but at the present time are not in church - I was not comfortable that they were not baptised or dedicated, whichever one you believe in - so I baptised them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - I was not sure what to do - but I ask for Jesus to let the Holy Spirit give me a check in my spirit if I was not suppose to do it - I did not receive that check - I have not told the parents anything about it - they would be ok with it - but it was something that was private with me. Do you think that was right?

There is nothing wrong with dedicating them, in hopes that The Lord will lead their path to Him better.

 

[Godslilgurlalways]

Matthew 28:19(kjv)


19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[JacktheCatholic]

The Bible does NOT explain how to perform the Ritual of Baptism.

I imagine that if Jesus (or Paul, or other writers) thought it was important, they would have said so.
Many other things are spelled out.
No one chose to tell us.
And the Early Church (also) did not choose to write it down (like Eusebius, in the 4th Century).
There MUST be a reason for this.

Since no one told us a preferred method, then each Church (and, each baptizee-to-be) can decide what is appropriate for its/his use.

The ritual is what is important.
What is said is less important.
In fact, why wouldn't we baptize people in Aramaic -- or Greek -- (and REALLY do it the old-fashion way)?

I do not know if you mean the Bible does not tell us or the ECF did not tell us???

But if it is the latter then I have to say that there are numerous writings on how to Baptize that have made from as early as 70 AD with the Didache to today.

Two examples are:

The Didache

"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. If you have no living water, then baptize in other water, and if you are not able in cold, then in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Before baptism, let the one baptizing and the one to be baptized fast, as also any others who are able. Command the one who is to be baptized to fast beforehand for one or two days" (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

Origen
"The Lord himself told his disciples that they should baptize all peoples in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit . . . for indeed, legitimate baptism is had only in the name of the Trinity" (Commentary on Romans 5:8 [A.D. 248]).


But I respect this to be a Pentecostal area and I am not here to cause an argument.

Peace,

Jack

 

[TheGloryisHere]

That makes sense for my situation.

I have a friend who is Pentecostal and says I am not baptized because the Catholic Church uses the Triune. However, in Bible study a gal said that her Pentecostal church baptizes with the Triune (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

All Pentecostals, Assembly of God, and Charismatics, goodness all of us use Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, except for oneness, or United Pentecostals. On that doctrine, we are all agreed with you. When I baptize someone, I say, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus. LOL That covers it. They get baptized both ways so no one can question it. More and more are just adding the name of Jesus to it after the Trinity.

 

[TheGloryisHere]

Matthew 28:19(kjv)


19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

That scripture directs how to baptize.