And then along came Mary...

[TheListener]

"Deosit of Faith
The source or fount of revealed truths, namely, Scripture and Tradition, which must be accepted by all true Christians on the authority of God.
New Catholic Dictionary"

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That is correct. Now you're starting to get it

 

[Rick Otto]

redundancy is the norm then,?
Is that way it is?
That's what I thought.
Nice to hear it affirmed, ... kinda.(?)

 

[PassthePeace1]

You see, I disagree, because no one can even direct me to this "deposit" of faith. I can direct you explicitly to where I see affirmation of my beliefs. But, when one asks for direction to the "depost of Sacred Tradition," no one seems to be able to direct him there. Where do I find it? From whence does it get its authority? Why should I recognize it as authoritative?

It can be found, in the teachings of the Church...thru Ecumenical Councils, writings of the Sacred Scripture, ECFs and Doctors of the Church, Papal Decrees...etc.

I understand this. I was merely trying to distinguish the differences for you. We observe "traditions" that are practice, not dogmatic teachings affirmed in Scripture.

Okay, but I was really asking about the traditions that are uniquely Protestant, that can't be affirmed by the bible.

Catholic understanding of Sacred Traditions, doctrines and dogmas...have been discussed in great detail in GT. So I was wondering more about Protestant traditions.

You stated that we object to the traditions that you observe based upon the fact they are not biblical, yet we have tradtions of our own. It was my intent to show you the difference between the traditions we observe and the "Sacred" traditions to which those of your faith are bound. We are not being hypocritical. If something is doctrine/dogma in our faith. It is biblically based. We can direct you to chapter and verse. Now, what we will quibble over is the interpretation of those verses.

The examples that I gave you, and others....are not doctrine or dogmas...of either Catholic and Protestants.

The main ideal of my question, is directed to uniquely Protestant traditions/practices, which can't be affirmed by the bible. I also am inquiring on why is it Catholic traditions/practices, which aren't necessarly dogmatic or doctrinal in origin....are viewed as extra-bibical, why the Protestants aren't. To me this seems like a double standard.

See you tomorrow!

Cool, I look forward to it....although, I think maybe I should start a thread in GT, because I feel this subject will take on a life of it's own...and I don't want to derail the thread anymore than it already is....I really just ask a question, when someone responded that they don't follow traditions, this surprised me, because in all of my years as a Protestant...we did have traditons/practices, that where uniquely our own.

Peace be with you...Pam

Edit...btw, I included on this post, some elements that I wanted to finish on the other post.

 

[PassthePeace1]

"Deposit of Faith
The source or fount of revealed truths, namely, Scripture and Tradition, which must be accepted by all true Christians on the authority of God.
New Catholic Dictionary"

I don't really like that definition, the baptized of all Christian walks of life, are Christians. The phrase they used "true Christians", sounds to exclusive. It also, seems to go against the understanding that the Church has about Christians, and non-christians for that matter, who won't be judged, for not embracing the full knowledge of the Truth, thru no fault of their own.

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Pass,
the reason we follow some traditions and not others is because the others are wrong.
We are allowed to be responsible for our own faith. We can feel free to answer any of these questions according to our own understanding, unless you ask specificaly for a denominational authority's official position. Even then, as with your own congregation(s), ours have dissenters within their own ranks. Get real with it.

I too, as a Catholic, am responsible for my own faith, and will be held accountable, for the measure I was given.

How can I ask specifically for a denominational authority's official position....many people here, have a generic, or are non-denominational. That is why I was asking, one person...about her beliefs or practices of her traditions. If you will look back over the thread, I originally directed my question to one person. So my original intent, was not to direct the question, to the whole Protestant CF population. Athough, having said that....I am glad others joined in, cuz, the more the merrier.

I mean, look at what ya said here:

Originally Posted by PassthePeace1
This is why Sacred Tradition, is so helpful, and is as reliable as Sacred Scripture, because it comes from the same Deposit of Faith.


Isn't that saying,"This is why Sacred Tradition, is so helpful, and is as reliable as Sacred Scripture, because it comes from the same Sacred Scripture and Tradition."

But does it realy?

Yes, that is like saying that Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are on equal footing.

Peace be with you....Pam

 

[sunlover1]

"Deposit of Faith
The source or fount of revealed truths, namely, Scripture and Tradition, which must be accepted by all true Christians on the authority of God.
New Catholic Dictionary"

Which Tradition(s)?

sunlover, who thought she was a true
Christian til now

 

[sunlover1]

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Yes, that is like saying that Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are on equal footing.

Peace be with you....Pam

The Apostles made errors
in understanding even while Jesus was
with them.
I cannot see how we would expect them
and their contemporaries to be error free
after he's left.

According to the Word of God,
Scripture is on equal footing to
nothing.

thanks,
sunlover

 

[Rick Otto]

Pam, that isn't what it's like saying.
What it's like saying is I know the scripture & traditions are true because scripture & tradition tells me it is.
Trust me, I know the core issues over which we differ.
Your equation is understood.
What I question is your awareness of the redundancy and obfuscation in the phrase "Deposit of Faith"?
It is about equal in syllabic effort with, Scripture & Tradition, tho perhaps a little more demanding in use of consenants & vowels.

It is a tradition in itself to bestow ever more superlative titles & qualities upon The Blessed Virgin.
De Facto traditions, how they are concocted & perpetuated are written about in "The Emperor's New Clothes", where ever more strained explanations are required to convince the people who can't see the clothes are unable to do so because they're not as enlightend as the people who can.

 

[PassthePeace1]

The Apostles made errors
in understanding even while Jesus was
with them.

Yes, He had to correct them often.

I cannot see how we would expect them
and their contemporaries to be error free
after he's left.

Agree in part, if you mean from personal errors...we are all sinners, including priest, bishops and popes. However, the Church is protected from error, by the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide, and teach them into all Truths.

According to the Word of God,
Scripture is on equal footing to
nothing.

Where does it say that?

 

[PassthePeace1]

Pam, that isn't what it's like saying.
What it's like saying is I know the scripture & traditions are true because scripture & tradition tells me it is.
Trust me, I know the core issues over which we differ.
Your equation is understood.
What I question is your awareness of the redundancy and obfuscation in the phrase "Deposit of Faith"?
It is about equal in syllabic effort with, Scripture & Tradition, tho perhaps a little more demanding in use of consenants & vowels.

It is a tradition in itself to bestow ever more superlative titles & qualities upon The Blessed Virgin.
De Facto traditions, how they are concocted & perpetuated are written about in "The Emperor's New Clothes", where ever more strained explanations are required to convince the people who can't see the clothes are unable to do so because they're not as enlightend as the people who can.

Well, if you have a problem with my english...let me put it into a math formula for you.

Sacred Scripture + Sacred Tradition= Deposit of Faith

 

[IamAdopted]

Well, if you have a problem with my english...let me put it into a math formula for you.

Sacred Scripture + Sacred Tradition= Deposit of Faith

Where do we find these Sacred tradtions so we can measure them up to the bible? You can always put out sacred tradtions but where do we go to find these and find out from where they came and by Who's authority.. And if these Don't line up with the Scriptures then what are we suppose to do with them? Some of these sacred tradtions cannot be traced back to the Apostles.. Some others go in direct opposite of what Scripture says.

 

[repentant]

When are people going to realize that all Traditions (at least in the EOC) either line up with Scripture, or do not in any way contradict it, but clarify it...

And you can read about any Tradition and how in came about all over the internet..

 

[IamAdopted]

When are people going to realize that all Traditions (at least in the EOC) either line up with Scripture, or do not in any way contradict it, but clarify it...

And you can read about any Tradition and how in came about all over the internet..

So where does the presence of Christ dwell?

 

[Rick Otto]

Allow me to re-iterate:
He equation is understood.
Your statement is a redundancy.
Main Entry:
re·dun·dan·cy
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural -cies
Date: circa 1602
1 a: the quality or state of being redundant : superfluity b: the use of redundant components; also : such components cchiefly British : dismissal from a job especially by layoff2: profusion, abundance3 a: superfluous repetition : prolixity b: an act or instance of needless repetition4: the part of a message that can be eliminated without loss of essential information

Your sentence structure mathematicaly is thus
S+T=DoF because S+T=DoF

Redundancy.

 

[PassthePeace1]

Where do we find these Sacred tradtions so we can measure them up to the bible? You can always put out sacred tradtions but where do we go to find these and find out from where they came and by Who's authority.. And if these Don't line up with the Scriptures then what are we suppose to do with them? Some of these sacred tradtions cannot be traced back to the Apostles.. Some others go in direct opposite of what Scripture says.

I and others have already answered this question, on this very thread...I think, I am getting these two in the Mary board, mixed up..but I think it was this one.

 

[Rick Otto]

Ignatius, Clement,...ya gotta check 'em out. They were quite a crew.
We stand on the shoulders of giants, so ease up on the cheesecake.

 

[IamAdopted]

Ignatius, Clement,...ya gotta check 'em out. They were quite a crew.
We stand on the shoulders of giants, so ease up on the cheesecake.

Kewl I will check them out...

 

[repentant]

So where does the presence of Christ dwell?

He dwells in the EOC I know for sure, to say anything more, is not my place.

 

[TheListener]

Ignatius, Clement,...ya gotta check 'em out. They were quite a crew.
We stand on the shoulders of giants, so ease up on the cheesecake.

If you read about them from protestant scholars you will find they will omit some of their works because it does not line up with their thinking. ALL the ECF's were %100 Roman Catholic by todays standards.

Of course your protestant scholars won't publish that nor will they admit it. And this is Un-Christian hypocritical dishonesty.

IMHO

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

He dwells in the EOC I know for sure, to say anything more, is not my place.

He dwells in a denomination?? OH LORD Have mercy. I know He dwells in my heart...He said He did...but never had I heard in a denom....

 

[IamAdopted]

He dwells in the EOC I know for sure, to say anything more, is not my place.

Does He dwell inside of you?