And then along came Mary...

[prodromos]

Does He dwell inside of you?

As long as I remain grafted onto the true vine. Apart from the vine, Christ's body, the Church, I would quickly wither and die.

John

 

[IamAdopted]

As long as I remain grafted onto the true vine. Apart from the vine, Christ's body, the Church, I would quickly wither and die.

John

You say the church is the vine?

 

[prodromos]

He dwells in a denomination?? OH LORD Have mercy. I know He dwells in my heart...He said He did...but never had I heard in a denom....

Denominations are quite alien to Orthodox ecclesiology, the Orthodox Church has a self recognition of being the Church, holding fast to the faith once handed down to the Apostles. It seems strange that you appear to be suggesting that Christ does not dwell in His own body, which is the Church. The Church as described in the bible has always been in the context of community and not as individuals. It is not Me and Christ, rather We and Christ.

John

 

[PassthePeace1]

I thought this thread was about Mary's paps, and now we have moved on the vines...lol...not complaining mind you just and observation.. Funny, how threads can twist and turn....guess that is what makes them so interesting.

Peace be with you....Pam

 

[IamAdopted]

Well of course He dwells in His church.. Being made up of His people. But Jesus is the true vine.. Not the church.. Jesus said if you abide in Me and My word abide in you..It is two fold here.. We are also told that If we draw nigh unto Him He will draw nigh unto us.. This is where I was asking if you believe the church is the vine.

 

[prodromos]

You say the church is the vine?

The bible does
[bible]John 15:1-8[/bible]

 

[Rick Otto]

can be quite self-satisfying, even when it annoys the neighbors.
So we can deduce Prodromos doesn't consider the EO a denom, and denoms are alien to The Church (EO), so they are alien to Jesus as well?

Tryin' to be popular, are ya?

 

[prodromos]

So we can deduce Prodromos doesn't consider the EO a denom

No, the EOC does not consider itself a denomination. My opinion has little if any bearing on the matter.

and denoms are alien to The Church (EO), so they are alien to Jesus as well?

Does the Holy Spirit teach contradictory interpretations of scripture to different parts of the body of Christ?

Tryin' to popular, are ya?

Your earlier Kool-Aid comment was meant to be endearing?

 

[Rick Otto]

Your opinion is an essential ingredient, unless your opinion doesn't matter to you either. You are an enabler.
Contradictory interpretations are held by members of EVERY organization, so why can't organizations have different opinions? Do you have to blame the Holy Spirit just becuase two Christians don't agree? Can't you admit to diversity of opinion in your own ranks? If contradictory opinions don't matter, why be concerned with mine?

 

[Proeliator]

Contradictory interpretations are held by members of EVERY organization, so why can't organizations have different opinions?

Because there is only 1 "opinion" that matters. And that is God's
[bible]Matthew 12:30[/bible]

 

[Rick Otto]

God Himself didn't get uptight about it when somebody He & His disciples never layed hands on or hung out with starte up his own ministry.

Luke 9:46: Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.
47: And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,
48: And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.
49: And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
50: And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Vine is JESUS..NOT a church..yes, His Spirit dwells IN a church...but NOT ONLY a church darlin'....I am GRAFTED INTO the Vine (Jesus)...Sorry, but Eo is a denomination with many splinters if you will...EO, RCC, OO...so why you all get off on saying the derogatory things you do about so many Protestant "splinters" is beyond me..and YOU all can't even agree on things..POT meet Kettle..

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Good morning:
The focus of this thread has been lost.
Please retun to topic, and cease personal comments, or the thread will be closed.

Play nice.
gracias
Iakovos

 

[racer]

It can be found, in the teachings of the Church...thru Ecumenical Councils, writings of the Sacred Scripture, ECFs and Doctors of the Church, Papal Decrees...etc.

But, you see, what I’ve found is that the ECFs differ in beliefs/teachings on more than a few of RCC doctrine. IE: Real Presence, role of Peter, etc . . . .

These deposits are not conclusive and not of the authority of Scripture.

Okay, but I was really asking about the traditions that are uniquely Protestant, that can't be affirmed by the bible.

You’re still missing my point. We do not form doctrine from these traditions. They are merely practices and not binding upon our faith.

Do you have a particular Protestant practice of which you are speaking?

Catholic understanding of Sacred Traditions, doctrines and dogmas...have been discussed in great detail in GT. So I was wondering more about Protestant traditions.

Which ones?

The examples that I gave you, and others....are not doctrine or dogmas...of either Catholic and Protestants.

Protestants have no trouble accepting traditions in general, it is when these traditions become doctrine/dogma that we begin to question the validity.

The main ideal of my question, is directed to uniquely Protestant traditions/practices, which can't be affirmed by the bible. I also am inquiring on why is it Catholic traditions/practices, which aren't necessarly dogmatic or doctrinal in origin....are viewed as extra-bibical, why the Protestants aren't. To me this seems like a double standard.

You’ve still missed my point. We do not begrudge you your “t”raditions. We question doctrine/dogma based upon extra-biblical foundations.

Cool, I look forward to it....although, I think maybe I should start a thread in GT, because I feel this subject will take on a life of it's own...and I don't want to derail the thread anymore than it already is....I really just ask a question, when someone responded that they don't follow traditions, this surprised me, because in all of my years as a Protestant...we did have traditons/practices, that where uniquely our own.

Great! I’ll look for it.

God bless!

 

[repentant]

He dwells in a denomination?? OH LORD Have mercy. I know He dwells in my heart...He said He did...but never had I heard in a denom....

EOC is not a denom. You may be in one, but I am not..

 

[repentant]

Does He dwell inside of you?

No, the Holy Spirit does.

Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

"Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you"

"That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us,"

 

[repentant]

Vine is JESUS..NOT a church..yes, His Spirit dwells IN a church...but NOT ONLY a church darlin'....I am GRAFTED INTO the Vine (Jesus)...Sorry, but Eo is a denomination with many splinters if you will...EO, RCC, OO...so why you all get off on saying the derogatory things you do about so many Protestant "splinters" is beyond me..and YOU all can't even agree on things..POT meet Kettle..

Uh EOC, RCC and OO are 3 different things...

 

[sunlover1]

Uh EOC, RCC and OO are 3 different things...

But not denominations.
How so?

 

[repentant]

But not denominations.
How so?

Cause all 3 have Apostolic roots..

But this was in response to HBM's genius response of.."Eo is a denomination with many splinters if you will...EO, RCC, OO..."

 

[Rick Otto]

Meaning of DENOMINATION

Pronunciation: di`nâmu'neyshun

WordNet Dictionary Definition:

1. [n] identifying word or words by which someone or something is called and classified or distinguished from others
2. [n] a class of one kind of unit in a system of numbers or measures or weights or money; "he flashed a fistful of bills of large denominations"
3. [n] a group of religious congregations having its own organization and a distinctive faith

I guess that makes me IO (Independant Orthodox) lol