Yet another "Mary" thread . . . . .

[Asinner]

Surely you don’t believe that the marriage bed defiles a woman . . . .

Certainly not.

 

[Asinner]

Well yes ADam would have had to know her to concieve cain.. He doesn't go into detail of the times before because a child was not concieved..

Are you implying that Eve had difficulty conceiving prior to Genesis 4:1 if there were marital relations?

The Holy Scriptures state that she conceived after the Fall, not before. The logical conclusion here is that there was no marital relations before this.

Love,
Christina

 

[orthodoxy]

As a man I cannot imagine having sex with the mother of Jesus Christ, my God, married or not.....with that said....I cannot imagine Joseph, being the man of God he was, even thinking of having sex with Mary...to the orthodox mind this is unthinkable...

my question to protestants is:

Why do you think Mary had to be like any "normal woman" and have sexual relationship?

Did Joseph, after the birth of Jesus Christ, know the meaning of His birth and who He was?

Pondering the unthinkable...

kyril

 

[IamAdopted]

Are you implying that Eve had difficulty conceiving prior to Genesis 4:1 if there were marital relations?

The Holy Scriptures state that she conceived after the Fall, not before. The logical conclusion here is that there was no marital relations before this.

Love,
Christina

No the logical response would be that she didn't convieve until the fall of man.. She was bone of adams bone and flesh if his flesh.. They became one.. In doing this they have to know each other...

 

[IamAdopted]

Why is it so hard to think that Mary and Joseph was married and yes they became one flesh after Jesus was born.. Why is that such a sickening thought? God blessed the first man and woman and told them to muliply. Now if mary was blessed among woman why would this not imply to her.. Children are a blessing and a heritage of the Lord..

 

[Asinner]

As a man I cannot imagine having sex with the mother of Jesus Christ, my God, married or not.....with that said....I cannot imagine Joseph, being the man of God he was, even thinking of having sex with Mary...to the orthodox mind this is unthinkable...

my question to protestants is:

Why do you think Mary had to be like any "normal woman" and have sexual relationship?

Did Joseph, after the birth of Jesus Christ, know the meaning of His birth and who He was?

Pondering the unthinkable...

kyril

Virginity has no significance in today's culture. It is almost scandalous to be one. Our thoughts have become so defiled that we cannot even fathom what Purity means anymore.

In Grief,
Christina

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Why is it so hard to think that Mary and Joseph was married and yes they became one flesh after Jesus was born.. Why is that such a sickening thought? God blessed the first man and woman and told them to muliply. Now if mary was blessed among woman why would this not imply to her.. Children are a blessing and a heritage of the Lord..

Simple... because it's not true.

If it were true we would celebrate the truth of it.

As it is not true, we prefer the truth.

Forgive me...

 

[IamAdopted]

Purity is also in the marriage bed.. When a husband and wife are in thier marriage bed it is pure before the Lord.. In fact Paul says that to deny each of this is in fact SIN.

 

[IamAdopted]

It is true.. I has been since the beginning.. God has not changed His thoughts on this.. There is a reason that Jesus was born a virgin.. But it sure wasn't the reason that you all seem to think it is..

 

[orthodoxy]

If Jesus Christ is fully man why did He not have sexual relationship with anyone if this "passion" is needed to be a "normal man"?

Seems to me insisting Mary had sexual relationship with Joseph after the birth of Jesus Christ is saying to be "normal" one must have sex...

I submit Mary was devoted and "married" to God thus desired no sexual relationship at all, in no way, with Joseph... and lived as if they were "brother and sister"....

I also find something twisted and sick in the idea Joseph would even think of having sexual relationship with someone that just gave birth to "God the Word"....

it demeans and degrades both Mary and Joseph....

kyril

 

[Asinner]

IamAdopted,

What happened to the poor soul who touched the Ark of the Covenant?

Love,
Christina

 

[IamAdopted]

If Jesus Christ is fully man why did He not have sexual relationship with anyone if this "passion" is needed to be a "normal man"?

Seems to me insisting Mary had sexual relationship with Joseph after the birth of Jesus Christ is saying to be "normal" one must have sex...

I submit Mary was devoted and "married" to God thus desired no sexual relationship at all, in no way, with Joseph... and lived as if they were "brother and sister"....

I also find something twisted and sick in the idea Joseph would even think of having sexual relationship with someone that just gave birth to "God the Word"....

it demeans and degrades both Mary and Joseph....

kyril

Because Jesus was also Fully God.

 

[orthodoxy]

Why then did not Jesus Christ marry and have children?

Fully man?

A sin if Mary and Joseph did not have sex? POPPYCOCK!

kyril

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by IamAdopted
Why is it so hard to think that Mary and Joseph was married and yes they became one flesh after Jesus was born.. Why is that such a sickening thought? God blessed the first man and woman and told them to muliply. Now if mary was blessed among woman why would this not imply to her.. Children are a blessing and a heritage of the Lord..

Simple... because it's not true.

If it were true we would celebrate the truth of it.

As it is not true, we prefer the truth.

Forgive me...

Hi. Don't you mean the "tradition" of it?
Btw, whatever happened to Eve?

 

[IamAdopted]

IamAdopted,

What happened to the poor soul who touched the Ark of the Covenant?

Love,
Christina

Mary is not the Ark of the covenant.. She is the mother of Jesus whom was fully man and fully God... This is who Jesus is.. Mary is a Jewish young woman who had a Word of the Lord and she said let it be done to me as you have spoken.. THerefore she became the earthly mother of Jesus in whom was not only our redemtion but hers also..

 

[orthodoxy]

ekke... let that be a warning to the western christian faith the demeans the "Ark" that carried the living word of God not just tablets of stone!

kyril

 

[Asinner]

Mary is not the Ark of the covenant.. She is the mother of Jesus whom was fully man and fully God... This is who Jesus is.. Mary is a Jewish young woman who had a Word of the Lord and she said let it be done to me as you have spoken.. THerefore she became the earthly mother of Jesus in whom was not only our redemtion but hers also..

She is much greater than the Ark, for she contained the Eternal God in her womb. How much greater a punishment would there be for someone to touch that which contained the uncontainable?

Love,
Christina

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hi. Don't you mean the "tradition" of it?
Btw, whatever happened to Eve?

The "Holy Tradition" of it yes, and as with all Holy Traditions, it is truth...

It is not mere "tradition", which is if men.

Forgive me...

 

[IamAdopted]

Oh boy...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

ekke... let that be a warning to the western christian faith the demeans the "Ark" that carried the living word of God not just tablets of stone!

kyril

Shhhh. Don't even mention it.

Jeremiah 3:16 And it hath come to pass, when ye are multiplied, And have been fruitful in the land, In those days--an affirmation of Jehovah, They say not any more, `The ark of the covenant of Jehovah,' Nor doth it go up on the heart, Nor do they remember concerning it, Nor do they inspect, nor is it made again.