Yet another "Mary" thread . . . . .

[Asinner]

The early fathers rejected it..

Untrue.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Adam and Eve were pure in what way? Are you saying that Eve was a virgin?

Wonder why the LORD let her conceive the evil Cain?

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/

Genesis 4:1 And the 'adam knew Chavvah his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Qayin, and saith, `I have gotten a man/'iysh by Jehovah;'

 

[Asinner]

Adam and Eve were pure in what way? Are you saying that Eve was a virgin?

Eve was a virgin pre-fall.

They were Pure pre-fall, in every way.

Love,
Christina

 

[Asinner]

Wonder why the LORD let her conceive the evil Cain?

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/

Genesis 4:1 And the 'adam knew Chavvah his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Qayin, and saith, `I have gotten a man/'iysh by Jehovah;'

Adam knew Eve and they conceived after the Fall.

 

[IamAdopted]

This is why they Say Mary was a virgin to my understanding..It was a book that was written by St Augustine..that influenced the church.. He states this in His book. It can be read on line.. Here is just one quote from his book..

Augustine said that the pleasure of making love is sinful, even within marriage. If husbands and wives focus on having children while they are making love, and they don't allow themselves to have any pleasure while doing it, then they are free from sin. If they make love in order to have children, and they enjoy doing it, then they commit a venial sin. And if they enjoy making love, and they don't want to have children, then they commit a sin that is as serious as adultery.

 

[Asinner]

Genesis 4:1

And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

 

[Asinner]

This is why they Say Mary was a virgin to my understanding..It was a book that was written by St Augustine..that influenced the church.. He states this in His book. It can be read on line.. Here is just one quote from his book..

Boldened for emphasis.

 

[IamAdopted]

God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and muliply before the fall.. Genesis 1

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

 

[racer]

"This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it..."


No one but God racer . . . Jesus is God. . .


.

Was Jesus not FULLY man?

 

[Oblio]

This is why they Say Mary was a virgin to my understanding..It was a book that was written by St Augustine..that influenced the church.. He states this in His book. It can be read on line.. Here is just one quote from his book..

It may be your understanding, but we have clearly shown history disagrees with you.

You also might try reading outside of the Western Fathers to see what the entire Church believed.

 

[IamAdopted]

Having sexual relationship with your husband is neither sinful or unpure. It is ordained by God.. Since the first man and woman were created it was ordained...

 

[Asinner]

God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and muliply before the fall.. Genesis 1

He made provision beforehand.

 

[Asinner]

Having sexual relationship with your husband is neither sinful or unpure. It is ordained by God.. Since the first man and woman were created it was ordained...

God has sanctified marriage through the Sacrament of Marriage. It is not sinful or impure because God has sanctified it; however, it is not as Pure as Virginity.

Love,
Christina

 

[IamAdopted]

He made provision beforehand.

and what would this be? Good try but that is not written in scripture.. God blessed them and told them to be fruitful and multipy.

 

[IamAdopted]

Being a virgin is no more pure than being married.. How can you explain this?

 

[racer]

You aren't seriously asking this, are you?

Um . . . . yes. You are not seriously doubting my sincere confusion are you?
Surely you don’t believe that the marriage bed defiles a woman . . . .

She was both physically and spiritually Pure. As were Adam and Eve before the Fall. 'Tis significant.

This may or may not be true, but it does not answer the question you are addressing.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Wonder why the LORD let her conceive the evil Cain?

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/

Genesis 4:1 And the 'adam knew Chavvah his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Qayin, and saith, `I have gotten a man/'iysh by Jehovah;'

Adam knew Eve and they conceived after the Fall.

My question was why did the LORD let "Eve" conceive the evil "Cain" first?

 

[Asinner]

and what would this be? Good try but that is not written in scripture.. God blessed them and told them to be fruitful and multipy.

Scripture states that Adam knew Eve and she conceived after the Fall, not before.

 

[Asinner]

My question was why did the LORD let "Eve" conceive the evil "Cain" first?

You mean, instead of Abel?

 

[IamAdopted]

Scripture states that Adam knew Eve and she conceived after the Fall, not before.

Well yes ADam would have had to know her to concieve cain.. He doesn't go into detail of the times before because a child was not concieved..