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Can Christians live as enemies of the cross?

‭Philippians 3:18-19 BSB‬
[18] For as I have often told you before, and now say again even with tears: Many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. [19] Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things.

For some time I read this passage as referring to those outside of the faith, but over time my understanding of this scripture has shifted. I now believe Paul is referring to believers, or people associated with the church, in this passage.

I guess my question for discussion here is:

What exactly is meant by "their minds are set on earthly things?" and how can we avoid that so as to not live as enemies ourselves?

Is he possibly referring to things Jesus Himself referred to in Matthew 6:25-34? Worrying about food, clothing, basic necessities of living.

Or is it referring to fleshly living? Such as found in Galatians:

‭Galatians 5:19-21 BSB‬
[19] The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; [20] idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, [21] and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Clearly I think it's the latter.

I think it goes right along with the call for Christians to live holy and godly lives. Flying in the face of the "hyper grace" crowd or any other sect of Christianity that claims we can live how we want because God's grace covers us.

Don't get me wrong, I dont believe its saying we have to live 100% sin free. But I do think there's an urging here to resist sin at every turn and if it happens, turn away from it immediately and return to the cross and the death of self.

But anyway, my mindless rambling is over, what do you think? Can Christians live as enemies of the cross?

Rock Art

I like rocks and I do a lot of rock art. If people think this earth is only 6,000 years old then they are not listening to the story the rocks are telling us.

Luke 19:40
"I tell you," He answered, "if they remain silent, the very stones will cry out."

Joshua 24:27
And Joshua said to all the people, "You see this stone. It will be a witness against us, for it has heard all the words the LORD has spoken to us, and it will be a witness against you if you ever deny your God."
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The Curse For Mocking God

Feb 22, 2024
"Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm." - Psalm 105:15
Therefore to him who does this, there shall set upon him the Divine Fury, the whole wrath of the Almighty, in whose strength the faithful stand: For to mock, make fun of, and persecute others, as when the children mocked Elisha brought two horrible Bears upon them that tore them before they could mock any further, so shall calamity strike suddenly. Such shall be the portion of those who dare mock God, and Jesus, and those who truly and sincerely serve Him. Unless they repent and soon, I fear they are accursed, and shall suffer greatly, and perhaps even die by the hand of God who holds all life in His hands.

For His patience and mercy has limits, though He bears long at times: Other times the judgment and furious wrath of destruction fall with little warning or none, as the Bears tore, as the fire destroyed Sodom, and King Belshazzar was slain the very night he mocked God. In Jesus holy and powerful name, these things be true, and those who are mockers are heaping up judgment upon themselves that the LORD Almighty will surely pour out upon them in His due time.

When God sets Himself upon one who has no favor with Him, His hatred is perfect, His justice is sure, His anger is righteous, and His disposition complete. The pathetic soul who provokes God's anger is in a dreadful place, for he knows not what he does, and doesn't realize his folly, yet he has heard the Word proclaimed to his ear, but has refused to seek the LORD while he may be found, and refused to come to the Cross to be saved; therefore he is damned and accursed: a fool who mocks, rejects, and denies Almighty God - For whoso privily slandereth his neighbor, him will I cut off; him that hath an high look and a proud heart will I not suffer (Psalm 101:5)

March 27, 2024
When Wisdom cries thus, "Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me..." (Proverbs 1:24-28)

Oh, how dreadful it is when this becomes your portion: when you mock the Wisdom of God, who is the Spirit of God, and who is the Son of God - for it is written "Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God" (1 Cor. 1:24) For, "the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge," (Col. 2:2-3) speaks expressly, "there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts." (Jude 18)

But woe unto those who mock, and that even applies to professing Christians, for I have seen much mockery come from the Churches: they mock righteousness, and holiness, and embrace progressiveness. They love the world, and the temporal they latch on to, while forsaking the eternal and unseen things of faith; yea, the greatest treasures are denied for the sake of things that are of no profit.

I am a fool for Christ, as Paul wrote - and it is one thing for the world and the ungodly to mock: they shall have their portion in the lake of fire unless they repent, but when those who call themselves brothers and sisters mock, it is hurtful; it produces schisms in the body (if they be of the body: I don't know, but God knoweth)

The wicked have grown like a poison vine, wrapping their tendrils about all they come in contact with: corrupting, while being corrupted, and furthering their corruption as a leaven that expands the loaf, so that sin hath entrenched itself, rooted deep, and its vine clenching as a stranglehold upon everything it encroaches upon: that includes the churches that permit sin to enter their doors, to ferment within the congregation of the righteous, without dealing with it speedily!
"Come Lord Jesus!" is the cry we should proclaim, and, "He is coming! He is coming to judge the quick and the dead, and all shall give account before God"
"It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!" (Luke 17:1) It's a dire and desperately fearful place to be: It brings one to the precipice of the pit of hell itself; the abyss of flames reaching to take those who have the stain of sin about them and upon them, who do not have the righteous covering of the blood of our Lamb, the Lord Jesus Christ, who taketh away the sins of those given repentance unto life.
Come then to Jesus: cease from sin, and look up, setting your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.

Does Romans 3:23-25 contradict limited atonement?

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins." -Romans 3:23-25

Most Calvinist seem to claim that the "all" in Romans 3:23 means "all without exception" as it is a major proof text for total depravity. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," -Romans 3:23.

But if applied to the second half of the sentence continued in verses 24 and 25 than doesn't it say that all without exception are also "justified by his grace as a gift"?

As China prepares to invade Taiwan, US forces are about to

As China prepares to invade Taiwan, US forces are about to combat-test a vital weapon


The main mission of the US Army flotilla now sailing toward Gaza is to build a floating pier that will help ships offload desperately-needed humanitarian aid. But the task force also serves a secondary purpose: it’s practice for a critical combat operation – one that could help US forces to roll back Chinese advances in the event of a war over Taiwan.

The Joint Logistics Over-the-Shore pier system, or JLOTS, is a Lego-like suite of floating metal piers and ramps that can connect virtually any ship to virtually any beach. While the Pentagon is sending five 273-foot US Army landing craft to begin building the pier, the final components will sail aboard the 951-foot transport ship Roy A Benavidez, which belongs to the US Navy-administered Ready Reserve Force.

It could take weeks to ship the pier components and days to assemble them. But once the pier is ready, it should be able to move – from sea to shore – 2,000,000 meals per day, according to the Pentagon.

The Pentagon has deployed JLOTS before, perhaps most notably to Haiti following the devastating earthquake in that country in 2010. But it has never deployed it in a major war.



That could change – and soon – if China makes good on decades of threats and launches an invasion of Taiwan. If the People’s Liberation Army succeeds in occupying Taiwan’s island strongholds in the Taiwan Strait as a prelude to landing on Taiwan itself, counterattacking US forces could face a serious dilemma: how to land their own people and equipment in what amounts to a counter-invasion of mainland Taiwan and its island outposts.

Historically, US forces would force their way ashore aboard US Navy amphibious ships. But the US fleet has lost faith in its traditional amphibious capability as enemy beach-defenses stiffen with increasingly deadly anti-ship missiles. Lately, the US Navy has been decommissioning amphibious ships faster than it commissions them.

But JLOTS endures. And it gives the Pentagon options.

“JLOTS is a critical joint capability that enables US forces to enter a land area from sea despite insufficient port infrastructure,” Joseph Tereniak, a US Army officer, wrote recently.
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“No US boots will be on the ground,” Biden added. They’ll only be on the pier.

Increasingly impatient with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden is counting on the US Army’s logistics fleet not only to save Gazan lives, but also to signal his – and America’s – opposition to continuing Israeli aggression. As a bonus, the fleet will be practicing a unique military skill: the construction of a temporary port.

“This temporary pier would enable a massive increase in the amount of humanitarian assistance getting into Gaza every day,” Biden said.

It would be crass to think of the coming humanitarian JLOTS deployment primarily as practice for war. But it would also be naive to pretend American soldiers and sailors won’t benefit from building a pier from scratch in a war zone. Even if that war doesn’t directly involve US troops.

Those Americans just might be ordered to build the pier again in the waters around Taiwan, while Chinese missiles rain down.

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Not satisfied with the answers regarding God allowing suffering

hi,

So I almost know all the standard answers regarding why God allows suffering in the world, but thing is I am not satisfied with the answers and kinda a bit dissapointed in God for organizing reality like it is now, I want it to be organized differently.
I wouldn't mind if God decided to destroy me and everything else and start all over again.

Br,

Would God give you a plan for your life that you hate ?

Hi,

Formulating differently, so they say God has a specific plan for each christian, thing is would God ever give a plan that the christian hate ?
For example:
make you become missonary but you hate it ?
make you become a pastor but you hate it ?

I don't think so ? are we sure this won't happen ?

Br,

The West Must be Blamed!

Of course. I knew it! We did not defeat ISIS, we must have clandestinely recruited them! Didn't Trump say in 2019 "We defeated 100% of the ISIS Caliphate" or "As you know, we captured 100% of the ISIS caliphate. When I took office, we had almost nothing."


The head of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has made the bizarre claim that the US, UK and Ukraine were involved in the terror attack on a Moscow concert hall that killed 139 people – as the Kremlin keeps pushing a false narrative trying to link its invasion of Ukraine to the shooting.

Alexander Bortnikov, the director of the FSB offered no evidence for his claim, with the US, France and number of other nations all saying that a branch of Isis were responsible for the attack. Isis-K itself has claimed the attack and released a graphic video of it.

“The USA, Britain and Ukraine are behind the terrorist attack in Crocus City Hall,” Mr Bortnikov, a staunch ally of Vladimir Putin, was quoted as saying by TASS, the Russian state-owned news agency. “We believe the action was prepared both by the radical Islamists themselves and, of course, facilitated by Western special services”.

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Boyfriend/girlfriend stage not legit?

I saw this post on social media.


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While the author is right that boyfriend/girlfriend is not in the Bible, she makes it seem like it's something wrong to do. She relates it to sexual sin.

What are your thoughts on it?


My thoughts, I don't see anything wrong with having a boyfriend or girlfriend. I consider that part of the relationship valid. I see it as a male and female have decided to be exclusive with each other and are in the process of finding out if they are compatible and right for each other for marriage.

Odd dream

Usally I don't remember what I dream of but the other day I did remembered my dream when I woke up and it was rather odd and felt symbolic / spiritual in nature.

I was in a neighbouring city and it was some big event going on and all of a sudden the skyscraper with hotell I was staying and alot of others was under attack and the higher floors were bursting out in flames. I was super cool but alot of people around me started panicing and there was 1 woman who was almost paralyzed out of fear, I grabbed her and pulled her out of the situation and into some office building. As I had her seated I was moving towards the people working there to have a word and when I turned back the woman were gone. I wondered where she went, she just poffed.

I moved out on the streets again and turned towards the burning building and it exploded, but it was really odd because it didn't just came crumbling down but a new facade popped out and were now looking like a middle age tower. I walked down a street in the middle of the road and it was rather empty by now, I saw 2 police officers about 20 meters infront of me standing and talking with someone. From my left side there came about 5 men in full millitary kit and refiles completely ignoring me like they didnt see me and shot down all the people infront of me and just kept moving, like straight to the next mission.

And I considered moving after and turned around and back towards where they went and the police officers bodies had now too magically disappeared, but where one body had been laying there was a really weird looking pistol, like it had an handle and a trigger but the pipe were like that of a mussel and as I was pressing on the trigger the "mussel" construction were opened and out came some kind of gas. And next to the pistol there was only 1 bullet and it had a silver tip, almost white in color. It really stood out. Then I woke up.

Like I said I usally don't remember my dreams and these kind of dreams, to this level, probably just once before in my life very spiritual in nature. What do you make out of this? Be real.

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Wall Street loves DJT!


The new company resulted from a merger of Trump Media and Technology with Digital World Acquisition Corp., as The New York Times reported Friday.​
At 1 p.m. Tuesday, its stock was trading at $72.73 a share.​
DWAC, the company’s previous Wall Street ticker symbol, which has been replaced by DJT, closed Monday at about $50 a share, according to Yahoo Finance.​
Trading in the new company’s shares Tuesday was so brisk that it was temporarily halted soon after the opening bell, according to AOL. When trading resumed, it started rising again.​

Just in time for Easter, "God Bless the USA Bible" now being marketed with a paid endorsement from Donald Trump

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From the website:

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A vocal revolt: MSNBC personalities object to NBC News’ hiring of Ronna McDaniel as a contributor

The network announced McDaniel’s hiring on Friday, two weeks after she stepped down as the RNC leader, saying McDaniel would add to NBC News’ coverage with an insider’s perspective on national politics and the future of the Republican Party.
Maddow said she’d been told that MSNBC management had signed off on the hiring, but that when staff “expressed outrage,” it was made clear that McDaniel would not appear on the cable network, which appeals primarily to liberal viewers. Since then, she said there’s been an effort in other parts of the company to “muddy that up in the press” and make it seem like that’s not what happened.

What is the world to come to? Who could imagine MSNBC or NBC or CNN would hire a Republican who provides an opposing view?

If God knows everything, why do we need to pray?

Matthew 6:

7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
If God knows everything, why do we need to pray?

James 4:

2b. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.
It is a relationship talking to God in prayers. What kinds of things are you asking? What are your motives? By our asking and God's answering, we interact with God in a relationship. We learn from God in our prayers. Paul described a more mature way to pray in Philippians 4:

6 do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
Don't just ask, but give thanks to God. Praise God's work in our lives.

Jesus continued to offer a model prayer in Matthew 6:

12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
It is meant to be a daily affair, establishing a prayer life for the Christian. Prayer is a major way we practice the relationship between God and us. Jesus Prayed, and the apostles prayed. This is one way we get in touch with God.

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
This kind of prayer changes our thinking and behaviors toward others.

Do we need to be specific in our prayers?

Yes, we praise God spontaneously throughout the day. At the end of the day, we thank God, item by item, for the blessings we received that day. We ask God to forgive us, again, item by item.

The model prayer is not meant to be a strict jacket. Acts 9:

40 Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, “Tabitha, get up.” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up.
Peter was being succinct in this prayer.

Another example in 1 Samuel 1:

13 Hannah was praying in her heart, and her lips were moving but her voice was not heard.
Hannah was barren and prayed for a child. She gave birth to a son, Samuel, whose name means "God has heard" :)

Romans 8:

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
There are different ways that we can pray depending on our circumstances. It's not the formalities of prayers; it is our prayer life through which we get to know God better and better :)

Why do we pray?

By praying to God, we talk to God. We grow in Christ.

See also Whatever you ask IN MY NAME.

Who is Melchizedek

Who was Melchizedek and why was he so important?


Melchizedek | Story, Meaning, Priesthood, & Bible Verse ...


Melchizedek, in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament), a figure of importance in biblical tradition because he was both king and priest, was connected with Jerusalem, and was revered by Abraham, who paid a tithe to him.

A Strange Story concerning Melchizedek -

Noah had a bother called 'Nir', Nir had a wife called 'Sopanim' who became pregnant in her old age.
She is embarrassed by this pregnancy and hides herself until the child is due. When Nir discovers she is pregnant he rebukes her and intends to send her away because she has disgraced him, but instead she falls dead at his feet.


Noah discovers this and tells Nir that the Lord has “covered up our scandal.” They bury Sopanim in a black shroud in a secret grave.
However the child was not dead and came out of the dead mother as a fully developed child. This terrifies Nir and Noah, but since the child is “glorious in appearance” they realize the Lord is renewing the priesthood in their bloodline. They name the child 'Melchizedek'.


Melchizedek is only with Nir for forty days, then the Lord instructs Arc Angel Michael to go and take the boy up to heaven. The Lord calls him 'My Child Melchizedek'.

The child is to be placed in Paradise forever. Nir is so grieved by the loss of his son. He also dies leaving no more priests in the world, allowing the world to become even more evil. Noah is therefore instructed to build the ark.

This strange miraculous birth story for Melchizedek is part of an interest in the King of Salem (Salem - Later to become known as Jerusalem) first mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 14:18.

Is modern secular society headed down the path to Sodom and Gomorrah.

I am interested in this as I was speaking to some friends the other day about how especially in the media, Hollywood, Music and entertainment there seems to be this pagan or even Satanic ritualistism going on. Things like wearing these head dresses with goat horns and other pagan symbols. Its always very provocative and sexual as well. Almost a celebration of our animalistic side.

I think I know what is happening. Just like in the days when people defied God they turned to nature, to animals and nature itself like Stone idols. Now that modern society is rejecting God this same belief is coming back. It may seem natural for people to worship nature as god. But primarily when this happens its not really about gods in nature but the self as god, about worship our naturalistic side.

Also in those times people were made gods when theres no transcendent God. As self is god desires and feelings and self experience becomes godlike in status. Therefore comfort, pleasure and all the good feelings are moral and the aweful feeling ones are sin similar to Hedonism

So are we seeing a repeat of the down fall of society like Sodom and Gormorrah or like with how Empires have fallen where morality breaksdown and where the created is worshipped and not the Creator which undermines Gods natural order into entropy and chaos as has happened before except on a much bigger scale.

Does Jeremiah 1: 5 prove that the human soul exists before conception?

New International Version, Jeremiah 1:

5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Does this prove the human soul (nephesh) exists before conception/fertilization?

No, not according to First-Order Logic. The word soul (nephesh) is not even there in the verse.

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