It's become very apparent that any time Aman777 mentions science, history, genetics or math, he's not actually not talking about science, history, genetics or math.
Try me out Albert.
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It's become very apparent that any time Aman777 mentions science, history, genetics or math, he's not actually not talking about science, history, genetics or math.
Try me out Albert.
Amen. You seem to think I am an irrefutable moron who NO one can prove wrong Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically or mathematically. Can you?
Dance, Aman, dance. I have demonstrated your error, and your feeble response is to accuse me of not understanding. You have accused every poster who disagrees with you of lacking understanding and you have accused the translators of making errors.Sorry, but since you have not told us that you have been born again Spiritually, your words ring hollow when compared to God's.
1Co 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
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God the Father is speaking to Lord God and the Holy Spirit since it takes ALL three to create eternally. Amen?
Sure. Adam was "formed" temporarily by Lord God on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7
Adam was ALSO "created" eternally by God the Trinity on the 6th Day. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16. Hint. Notice that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, of the Trinity are present in each citation. Amen?
What is strange is that EVERY person who has ever lived, has lived and died on the present 6th Day/Age. The 6th Day/Age is the Day of Salvation according to Jesus. 2Co 6:2 It's another proof of God. I will add it to the list of Proofs of God. Thanks
The present 6th Day began when Jesus made the beasts of the field, birds and cattle from the dust of the ground.
Genesis 2:19 The present 6th Day will NOT end until God's creation is brought to perfection (finished) and ALL Christians (host of Heaven) are safely in the 3rd Heaven. Genesis 2:1 Then, God will rest from ALL of His work of creating Genesis 2:2-3 the perfect Heaven.
The current generation is the last generation before Jesus returns and most of them don't believe in Jesus. Therefore, their feeling of being quite well off is about to change. I'm sorry but it's the only way to get them to come to repentance.
I have already collected 11 proofs of God which agree with recent discoveries of science with Scripture, history, genetics and math. What is amazing about these Truths from Genesis is that NO one can prove them wrong in any way. It's irrefutable proof of what God told us would happen in the last days before the Rapture.
I don't disagree with factual Science in any way.
I did not try to "set you up." You wanted me to explain what my question had to do with yours. And look here, now you "almost" understand my answer to your question, since you got the gist of my illustration.
Where you are slightly misunderstanding is that it is not my intention to establish that your god is just as unbelievable as my hypothetical situation, but rather to illustrate that our incredulity toward creationists (the original subset to which I was replying) is based on the "proofs" that creationists give for their beliefs.
Electricity is a well understood natural phenomenon. There are much better and rational explanations for those 4 "proofs" I described for my hypothetical god of lightning believer.
So it is for those Christians who insist that the earth was created 6000 years ago, and evolution never occurred.
The opposite of these things is well understood through scientific discoveries. Trivially so.
Such that it is just as odd to us that people believe the earth is only 6000 years old as it would be if someone thought that being shocked by static electricity was the god of lightning tickling him.
Sure, maybe the Christian god exists, but the arguments used by creationists to try to show that are what cause the incredulity.
You have given me your testimony before. Personal experiences are rarely convincing to anyone other the person who experienced them. Sure maybe it happened for the reason you think it did, and maybe there is another explanation.
If I were to believe the testimonies of all people who describe them to me, of all religions, alien abductions, ghost sightings, and whatever else, there would be VERY conflicting and contradictory ideas.
They can't all be right.
Dance, Aman, dance. I have demonstrated your error, and your feeble response is to accuse me of not understanding. You have accused every poster who disagrees with you of lacking understanding and you have accused the translators of making errors.
Give me an honest answer to this question: is it possible you have made an error?
Would you answer two questions for me please? How long have you been a Christian? What are your scientific qualifications? I have been a Christian for 76 years and have BSc, MSc and BEd.
I already have. Using your own rationale.
KJV translators did not live in the age of increased knowledge. They translated the verses "HIS KIND"
Modern translators do live in the age of increased knowledge. They translate the verses "ITS KIND"
Therefore, by your own arguments, the verses are not referring to Jesus.
Dance, Aman, dance. I have demonstrated your error, and your feeble response is to accuse me of not understanding. You have accused every poster who disagrees with you of lacking understanding and you have accused the translators of making errors.
Give me an honest answer to this question: is it possible you have made an error?
You repeating your ideas is not a citation. Try again.
I have been a Christian for more than 40 years and I have NEVER claimed any credentials in anything. Those who see what I post should follow the citations which I post from Scripture, science, history, genetics and math.
You showing how you can explain things with your ideas does not mean that your ideas are correct.
I thought you said all life came from the sea/water.
Citation required.
People have said that before, and they were wrong. What makes you think you are right?
What you call "irrefutable proof" is just weak-sauce post-hoc rationalization coupled with selective disregard for anything contradictory.
It's just confirmation bias at its worst.
Because you cherry-pick what you consider "factual science".
There is really nothing remotely impressive by what you are doing. Anyone could do the same regarding any claims about anything. Pick the things that agree; disregard anything that doesn't. Easy-peazy.
You really should read Carl Sagan's chapter in The Demon-Haunted World entitled "The Dragon in My Garage". It's a beautiful illustration of exactly the type of thinking you are engaging in here and the inherent flaws in it.
Assuming you're actually sincere and this isn't one giant troll-job.
And your failure becomes immediately manifest.
Hey hey 46and2
If you say so. ;p
Congrats to me for understanding the gist of your illustration.
So you wanted to illustrate YOUR incredulity towards creationism by painting a picture of absurd claims and proofs in a hypothetical situation. So this is a comparison - a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people.
You were not pointing out a dissimilarity rather that a creationists claims and proofs are similar to your hypothetical situation. Your hypothetical situation is absurd and no different to claims by Creationists. I disagree.
Do you believe using electricity to illustrate your argument is a good comparison to Christian faith?
How do you justify using it and why is electricity comparable to Christian faith, and what specifically is similar about electricity, and the God of Abraham?
So is birth? How would you relate these 4 examples to Christian faith?
Not all creationists have a set timeline.
A Creationist does not nessaccarily mean a belief in 6000 yro earth, i hold on to one thing, God created it. Thats where my creationist view point starts and stops.
Heads up Im Pentecostal, we believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and Creation.
1 cor 2:2
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Heads up my dear this creationist does not believe the earth is 6000 yrs old nor do i disbelieve it is 6000 yrs. It could be 6 million, it could be 6 billion, it could be 6000 yrs old, it could be 6mins too early. I was not there so unfortunately i cannot comment.
Why is it important to you that the earth is not 6000 yrs old? How does it benefit you believing it is older?
How do they date the earth ie what technique is used?
You have not measured the age of the earth and have to accept and appeal to authority. Dont worry i too am in a similar situation.
Why do you agree with the consensus on the age of the earth
and why is your position better than the creationist position?
My dear scientific discoveries are made by men.
Men are clever things and can get things right. I have no issue with men discovering things through observation and testing.
I discover things through observation, measurement, hypothesis and testing - its called reasoning and i do it at work. I learn something new regularly and discover things which are true. I can prove if it is correct. It either worked or it didnt.
Dude i live in 2019 and i have a similar amount of access to information that you have.
I do not disagree with a tried, tested and true result. Men problem solve, this is why you may be healthy and have access to time saving equipment.
So because static electricity is not a lightning God ticklong you, therefore the earth was not created by the God of Abraham in 6000 years?
Why do you find it odd that the esrth was created in 6000 years?