Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[Bugeyedcreepy]

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

....... aaaaannd, how do you know a God said this either?

 

[inquiring mind]

I can't say I'm sure, but if there is a God, that God would know, right? - That said, what do you have?

How do you know your Lord said this?

Even if you put faith aside, what grounds can you present for thinking He didn't?

 

[VirOptimus]

Including the incredible well-supported missing links?

We observe the same facts as you do; only you see the doughnuts, and we see the donught holes.

(If evolution was real, it should be a Berliner doughnut; one with no holes.)Yes, I know.

Anyone who dares disagree is threatened with at least an insult.

I don't think teaching by insult is the way to educate anyone.

Then we wonder why our children are turning out the way they are?

Fighting, resisting authority, even attacking adults.

And that's just on the bus!

No, you dont even see the facts. You dont accept physical reality invoking magic when it fits your agenda.

As for the kids, they are alright as they always have been.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Even if you put faith aside, what grounds can you present for thinking He didn't?

Well, that there's no evidence that he even exists, for a start.

 

[VirOptimus]

Wrong.

You'll go to Hell and be burned with fireballs if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour.

Ooo threats with a god that atheists dont believe in, verrrry impressing!

Maybe invoking santa claus next time?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

And I of yours.

Mother Nature: the cause of all death, decay, and disappointment.

Not my God, that's just an unfortunate circumstance of reality.

 

[pitabread]

Coming from you, I’m sure this is only a rhetorical question.

No, it's a legit question. Especially in response to your claim that your position is the most logical one.

So what caused God?

 

[inquiring mind]

No, it's a legit question. Especially in response to your claim that your position is the most logical one.

Regarding my comment about the two options, yes, I think my reasoning is the most logical.

So what caused God?

You don't honestly expect a human to be able to answer that question, do you?

 

[inquiring mind]

Well, that there's no evidence that he even exists, for a start.

Again, what do you mean by evidence or proof?

 

[AV1611VET]

Ooo threats with a god that atheists dont believe in, verrrry impressing!

It was enough to bug Bugsy enough to mention it and give us a link.

Maybe invoking santa claus next time?

He's making a list and checking it twice. Gonna find out who's naughty and nice.

Better not tell some kid that. That'll get his parent marching down to the halls of acazuma to complain.

 

[pitabread]

Regarding my comment about the two options, yes, I think my reasoning is the most logical.

Why? I mean, it sounds like you don't have any answer for the existence of God so all you've really done is pushed the problem back a step.

You don't honestly expect a human to be able to answer that question, do you?

If you're claiming your answer is the most logical then yes, yes I do.

 

[inquiring mind]

Why? I mean, it sounds like you don't have any answer for the existence of God so all you've really done is pushed the problem back a step.

Oh, but I do… the universe and life exists. The choice between God creating it, and spontaneous development for no reason is a no-brainer for me.

 

[pitabread]

Oh, but I do… the universe and life exists. The choice between God creating it, and spontaneous development for no reason is a no-brainer for me.

I still fail to see the logic behind the former compared to the latter. All you appear to be doing is substituting one question mark for another.

 

[inquiring mind]

I still fail to see the logic behind the former compared to the latter. All you appear to be doing is substituting one question mark for another.

I appreciate your honesty. Of course you don't, you're used to thinking in terms of spontaneous development for no apparent reason.

 

[pitabread]

I appreciate your honesty. Of course you don't, you're used to thinking in terms of spontaneous development for no apparent reason.

I view the origin of the universe as a mystery. Just like you appear to view the origin of God as a mystery.

Hence I fail to see a difference in our respective positions.

 

[inquiring mind]

I view the origin of the universe as a mystery. Just like you appear to view the origin of God as a mystery.

Hence I fail to see a difference in our respective positions.

I appreciate that, but we’re talking logic. What logic does it take to say everything just came about spontaneously from nothing for no reason? You have to admit that besides that being a weird occurrence, it’s also not very heavy thinking. Where’s the spotlight on it? The universe exists... therefore it must have been created... who or what could do such a thing besides almighty God... Now that’s logic, that’s the way you tell it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just like you appear to view the origin of God as a mystery.

God had an origin?

 

[inquiring mind]

God had an origin?

From Everlasting to Everlasting... Amen

 

[pitabread]

I appreciate that, but we’re talking logic. What logic does it take to say everything just came about spontaneously from nothing for no reason?

Since you attribute the origin of the universe to God, then explain the existence and origin of God. If you can't then clearly we're not talking logic are we?

The universe exists... therefore it must have been created... who or what could do such a thing besides almighty God... Now that’s logic, that’s the way you tell it.

All you're doing is invoking "God" as a placeholder for lack of an explanation for the origin of the universe. And then deferring having to answer for the origin of God.

Our positions are entirely the same in that respect. We're both starting with a mystery for which we don't have an explanation.

 

[pitabread]

God had an origin?

Why not? Can you prove otherwise?