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Atheists truly do imagine humans to be calculating machines, don't they? Nobody could write the Messiah without genuine religious emotion being involved.
Angels did show up on the earth as physical human. So, I think the idea of alien is not totally strange. Everything the imaginary alien can do, angel can do better.
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Are you saying you don't believe that I ever encountered such Christian
Allegedly. The Christians I encountered would argue these are metaphors, allegories, or simply exaggerations, perhaps tacked on after the fact to embellish the story of Jesus (which originally contained just one miracle).
I'm saying instead of purely just relying your knowledge in peoples words, how about you study the bible and see for yourself? You can take into consideration what other Christians say but you need not live by their words.
I can tell you one thing for sure, everyone interprets the bible differently. Not every christian agrees in what a verse means. Like how in revelation, it says the sun will darken. Some say it means literally, others think its symbolically. I understand that. It's just how you interpret the bible. I don't see how a "miracle" and all the verses that mention Jesus healing is anything but exactly what it says. The bible isn't trying to exaggerate Jesus. The bible tells you what he did and his story. They aren't trying to make him "look better" because he was already perfect as it is.
Whoever said I'm relying on their words? I'm just reporting someone else's opinion. I never said I believed them, I never said I disbelieved them, all I did was say "Did you know there are these Christians who believe the only miracle was the resurrection?". Why do I need to study the Bible for myself? Their opinion exists, and I reported on it. I don't give a monkey's how Biblically sound it is, I'm just reporting the fact that person X has opinion Y.I'm saying instead of purely just relying your knowledge in peoples words, how about you study the bible and see for yourself? You can take into consideration what other Christians say but you need not live by their words.
If I've understood their idea rightly, the idea is that God/Jesus wouldn't need to do any miracles - if he wants something done, he only has to do a single miracle and it's done. The only absolute necessity is the resurrection, the rest never happened - they're just-so stories designed to embellish Jesus' character.I can tell you one thing for sure, everyone interprets the bible differently. Not every christian agrees in what a verse means. Like how in revelation, it says the sun will darken. Some say it means literally, others think its symbolically. I understand that. It's just how you interpret the bible. I don't see how a "miracle" and all the verses that mention Jesus healing is anything but exactly what it says. The bible isn't trying to exaggerate Jesus. The bible tells you what he did and his story. They aren't trying to make him "look better" because he was already perfect as it is.
Not so much evolution as the law of averages -- with an infinite number of planets in the universe, odds are that more than one of them can support life.
Indeed -- we've seen a ridiculous variety of life just on this one planet -- who knows what could happen elsewhere?
The universe is a big place -- we've only been sending out signals for less than a hundred years; even at lightspeed that barely covers a fraction of our own galaxy.
No Jesus only came here to planet earth and was crucified on a cross in Jerusalem and then rose from the dead 3 days later. Many witnessed this and then the church grew from this. Anyone on any other planet has not had this happen. Jesus has to intervene into their history. As it says in the bible Jesus became flesh so that we could see God in him and know the way to God the father. So it was that intervention that was important that penetrated into our history. So God would have to send His son to all the other planets to die. But he cant because he has already done this for us. if there was another planet with people on it then we dont know whats happening on it and they dont know whats going on here.Why would he have to do it again and again? Didn't Jesus die for everyone's sins? Why wouldn't once be enough?
Anyone who wasn't in Jerusalem didn't see this happen. Native Americans, Chinese, Europeans, you and me... we were no more there than aliens were.No Jesus only came here to planet earth and was crucified on a cross in Jerusalem and then rose from the dead 3 days later. Many witnessed this and then the church grew from this. Anyone on any other planet has not had this happen.
Wait, what? Why would that prevent him from doing it for aliens? Surely God, being omnipotent, can do whatever he wants? If he wants to do another live/die/resurrect thing so that he can save a different planet of intelligent beings, what's going to stop him?Jesus has to intervene into their history. As it says in the bible Jesus became flesh so that we could see God in him and know the way to God the father. So it was that intervention that was important that penetrated into our history. So God would have to send His son to all the other planets to die. But he cant because he has already done this for us.
The same can be said of "undiscovered" tribes in the Amazon. Neither they nor aliens have any idea a Jew called Jesus was crucified 2000 years ago.If there was another planet with people on it then we dont know whats happening on it and they dont know whats going on here.
Galactus is pretty powerful. I never pictured an angel devouring entire planets.
You are assuming other worlds exist, for which there is no evidence.Hi everyone. I believe in aliens and at the moment I am unable to find that one quote in the bible that says something like "among the rulers of the worlds was Satan" so that is saying Satan rules this world so others rule other worlds.
If God created other intelligent worlds they would each be required to be perfect as God is perfect and not fall into sin (a rejection of God's will), because this would then require Jesus to die over and over again to redeem each world, which is highly unlikely.I have also read and seen enough evidence to believe in them. What do you guys think about them?
You are assuming other worlds exist, for which there is no evidence.
If God created other intelligent worlds they would each be required to be perfect as God is perfect and not fall into sin (a rejection of God's will), because this would then require Jesus to die over and over again to redeem each world, which is highly unlikely.
Man is destined to govern the entire universe:
"What is man that You are mindful of him, the son of man that You care for him? You made him a little lower than the angels; You crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet." In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him." - (Heb 2:6-8).
At present we do not yet see everything subject to Man, we only see the earth subject to Man. Soon, the entire universe (everything) will be subject to Man.
If God created other intelligent worlds they would each be required to be perfect as God is perfect and not fall into sin (a rejection of God's will), because this would then require Jesus to die over and over again to redeem each world, which is highly unlikely.
"Einstein, stop telling God what to do."
Maybe you should take Niels Bohr's advice to Albert Einstein.
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When all you are is dust, and have a dust perspective of existence, the Maker of the dust and His realm of existence is beyond you.
You also have the the wrong yardstick to measure by. Holiness and purity of being you do not understand, nor have the real to measure by. Dust in your eyes can do that to you.
Anyone who wasn't in Jerusalem didn't see this happen. Native Americans, Chinese, Europeans, you and me... we were no more there than aliens were.
I suppose he could. But it doesn't mention anything in the bible about aliens or that they were created somewhere else. Yet the bible mentions Christ died for all mankind and all creation yearns for Christ to come back. God says that we are unique and created in his image. You would think that when the bible says that God created the heavens and the earth he would also say Mars or what ever other planet had life. He wouldn't keep this from us as he is talking about all creation. He would have said and i have created other beings that also will be saved or include them in the all creation. The bible also says that Christs sacrifice was performed once and for all. Now if it was only on our planet then the relevance would not be the same for another planet. Like i said it really needs to be an intervention into our history and life so that we can see and relate to it. Otherwise it just seems so distant and not personal. From that moment when Christ rose from the dead and the holy spirit came the disciples went out and preached the Gospel. Its like the focal point was the Cross and from that sprang the revolution that was spread to all mankind. People died for that belief and it was personal.Wait, what? Why would that prevent him from doing it for aliens? Surely God, being omnipotent, can do whatever he wants? If he wants to do another live/die/resurrect thing so that he can save a different planet of intelligent beings, what's going to stop him?
But the bible says that the end will not come until all have heard the message of salvation. There is something about all people having a sense in their hearts that there is a god of some sort. Many people may interpret that as making their own Gods or idols. But they have this sense that there is something. This is what the bible says that all creation knows of God and yearns for the fulfillment of when it can be set free when Christ returns. It also says that all mankind knows that God created them in their hearts whether they block it out or use some other way to interpret it.The same can be said of "undiscovered" tribes in the Amazon. Neither they nor aliens have any idea a Jew called Jesus was crucified 2000 years ago.
God will judge according to the individuals situation I guess. So those who didnt hears the gospel before Christ may be judged differently. But all are judged according to whats in their hearts and only God knows this. God is not cruel and he loves us and he is fair and Just. But he is the only worthy and righteous God who can know what is in our hearts and can judge man. I dont know how God thinks in this sense and neither does man. Our understanding is limited to how we see things and judge things. I'm sure God has a way of knowing what is right and fair.It's part of a much more popular problem: do people who've never heard the Gospel go to Hell? The common answer is "No, of course not, that'd be horrifically cruel", so therefore the undiscovered tribes in the Amazon are not automatically going to Hell. But surely the same could be said for aliens - they are no different from the countless millions who died before missionaries came.
Jesus is sufficient for all here on earth. As far as aliens are concerned he would have to go and die for them as well. But the bible doesn't mention aliens or that there are other people to save.So either Jesus needs to die for every tribe in all the world, and all the alien worlds, or our human Jesus is sufficient for all sinners, whether on this world or any other.
You are assuming other worlds exist, for which there is no evidence.
Sure - but aliens can do that too. The only difference between Native Americans and aliens is that aliens live further away. It took X years before Native Americans learned about this middle-eastern religion, and it'll take Y years before aliens do. But distant alien cultures are no different from distant human cultures: either they learn about Jesus X years later, or they'll die and be judged fairly anyway.No but bcause it directly happened on our planet the word spread and it gives it a personal connection throughout time. People can visit the places where it happened and we can see the history. It makes it more persobal and relevant. Its a bit like the Egyptians i guess. We can learn about their culture and visit their monuments and have a personal experience about who they were.
Would he? The Bible is mostly about three things: the history of the Jews, the laws of the Jews, and God's relationship to man. It doesn't seem to be concerned with aliens.I suppose he could. But it doesn't mention anything in the bible about aliens or that they were created somewhere else. Yet the bible mentions Christ died for all mankind and all creation yearns for Christ to come back. God says that we are unique and created in his image. You would think that when the bible says that God created the heavens and the earth he would also say Mars or what ever other planet had life. He wouldn't keep this from us as he is talking about all creation. He would have said and i have created other beings that also will be saved or include them in the all creation.
But not until it reached them. God was quite happy for the Native Americans to go unawares for 1500 years before the missionaries came. Couldn't it be that, in God's plan, Christianity starts on Earth and spreads to other aliens?The bible also says that Christs sacrifice was performed once and for all. Now if it was only on our planet then the relevance would not be the same for another planet. Like i said it really needs to be an intervention into our history and life so that we can see and relate to it. Otherwise it just seems so distant and not personal. From that moment when Christ rose from the dead and the holy spirit came the disciples went out and preached the Gospel. Its like the focal point was the Cross and from that sprang the revolution that was spread to all mankind. People died for that belief and it was personal.
Maybe it does. Maybe God bases his timeline on Earth. Maybe 'Earth' used to mean 'all of creation', so the 'Earth' won't end and become the 'New Earth' until everyone in/on 'Earth' believes - but 'Earth' means 'universe' in today's language. For the Hebrews, who thought the world was flat, and the Greeks, who thought the world was the centre a crystal sphere, 'universe' wouldn't make sense.But the bible says that the end will not come until all have heard the message of salvation. There is something about all people having a sense in their hearts that there is a god of some sort. Many people may interpret that as making their own Gods or idols. But they have this sense that there is something. This is what the bible says that all creation knows of God and yearns for the fulfillment of when it can be set free when Christ returns. It also says that all mankind knows that God created them in their hearts whether they block it out or use some other way to interpret it.
Sure, but then what's the point of evangelism? Of Christianity? Of Jesus, even? If people are judged fairly anyway, it doesn't matter if you've heard of Christianity or not.God will judge according to the individuals situation I guess. So those who didnt hears the gospel before Christ may be judged differently. But all are judged according to whats in their hearts and only God knows this. God is not cruel and he loves us and he is fair and Just. But he is the only worthy and righteous God who can know what is in our hearts and can judge man. I dont know how God thinks in this sense and neither does man. Our understanding is limited to how we see things and judge things. I'm sure God has a way of knowing what is right and fair.
Why is Jesus only sufficient for people on Earth? Why isn't Jesus sufficient for aliens on other planets? If God has the whole universe to save, wouldn't it be more efficient to do it all via Jesus?Jesus is sufficient for all here on earth. As far as aliens are concerned he would have to go and die for them as well. But the bible doesn't mention aliens or that there are other people to save.
Sure - but aliens can do that too. The only difference between Native Americans and aliens is that aliens live further away. It took X years before Native Americans learned about this middle-eastern religion, and it'll take Y years before aliens do. But distant alien cultures are no different from distant human cultures: either they learn about Jesus X years later, or they'll die and be judged fairly anyway.
No it is also about the promised messiah. The old testament leads through the line of holy men that God had chosen to Jesus. Gods covenant with Abraham that a great nation would come from him and from that nation a savior. All the laws and sacrifices of the old testament were made complete by the sacrifice of Jesus.Would he? The Bible is mostly about three things: the history of the Jews, the laws of the Jews, and God's relationship to man. It doesn't seem to be concerned with aliens.
In genesis God mentions the heavens as in the universe, the stars planets and the earth. He mentions the animals and he mentions creating man in his own image. These things are about the beginning of things and how he created everything. It is the complete story and I think he would have mentioned it somewhere. There are many other cross over areas that would not make sense if there were other creatures in the universe. Jesus was born in Jerusalem on earth and not else where. The Jews will re establish the temple here on earth as part of the end times. The Jews will be attacked and persecuted in the end times and not on another planet. It all happens here and through our history.God has no need to tell the Hebrews about aliens, just as he had no need to tell them about galaxies, entropy, evolution, or modern medicine. These just weren't what he had in mind for them. The Bible is silent on many things, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, just that he deigned them unnecessary.
Well the bible does say the end will not come until all have heard the message of salvation. So there must be still some or maybe all have heard now and it is closer than we think. For Christianity to start here and spread throughout the galaxy would take eons. I think all will be said and done on earth by then. Many of the signs are happening now and the end will come well before that happens. Thats the other thing the aliens cannot see the signs and know what is going on with the end times. The bible says that these things will happen on earth not anywhere else and the final battle will happen with us and on earth. The anti Christ will be on earth and all the other things that will happen.But not until it reached them. God was quite happy for the Native Americans to go unawares for 1500 years before the missionaries came. Couldn't it be that, in God's plan, Christianity starts on Earth and spreads to other aliens?
Maybe It could, but i really dont know completely. It just seems that we are the only ones and its all centered around us. What some have said though is that Satan could use the cover of being an alien as a way to introduce himself on earth. He has to be able to do great signs and wonders and he has to win many over. What better way than as a friendly alien with all his cronies.Maybe it does. Maybe God bases his timeline on Earth. Maybe 'Earth' used to mean 'all of creation', so the 'Earth' won't end and become the 'New Earth' until everyone in/on 'Earth' believes - but 'Earth' means 'universe' in today's language. For the Hebrews, who thought the world was flat, and the Greeks, who thought the world was the center a crystal sphere, 'universe' wouldn't make sense.
Everyone can still be judge according to whats in their hearts and what they knew and didn't do or did do. Each person may have a certain consciousnesses that is different from others. Its like if a person knows more about a certain thing then they are held more accountable. Their responsibility is greater because they should have known better.Sure, but then what's the point of evangelism? Of Christianity? Of Jesus, even? If people are judged fairly anyway, it doesn't matter if you've heard of Christianity or not.
Well God claims to be the only God. The bible claims there will be false religions and false Christs and many will be fooled. The bible claims that all of creations know there is a God and that he is the creator. The bible says we are only saved by believing in Christ as our savior. So anyone who denies Christ is rejecting God. I dont know how God assesses will be saved and whats in peoples hearts. I dont think its as black and white as what you say.In fact, it's better if you don't hear about Christianity. Those in 'Christianity-exposed' countries are at a disadvantage, because they will be judged on their religion, not on what's in their hearts (a good Muslim goes to Hell, no?). Those in 'Christianity-isolated' countries are at an advantage, because they will be judged on their hearts, not on their religion (which is monumentally influenced by geography).
The bible says Matthew 22:14 "For many are invited, but few are chosen."So it boils down to the more fundamental questions of: do good Hindus go to Hell? Do bad Christians go to Heaven?
He is sufficient for all. I just personally think we are the only ones. All the events have happened here on earth and I dont think they could be repeated over and over again throughout the galaxy. It is not a repeat of some movie but real events. God gave his only son and it wasn't a easy thing to do. Jesus suffered as a man and went through all that and this wasn't easy either. I think it also demeans the one act. But certainly any one in the universe can see and hear this message and be saved.Why is Jesus only sufficient for people on Earth? Why isn't Jesus sufficient for aliens on other planets? If God has the whole universe to save, wouldn't it be more efficient to do it all via Jesus?
Also remember time dilation. As I understand it the Large Hadron Collider runs particles at 99.9% the speed of light, they actually exist for 1 second, but at the speed of light they exist for 20 seconds to us observing them.
This means if we send someone off on a 20 year there, 20 years back (40 year round trip) travelling at 99.99% the speed of light... while for those travelling only 40 years has passed.... but by the time they get back to Earth ... 800 years will have passed (my calculations are not acurate but simply based on a ratio of 20-1 )... so a 40 year round trip at near light speed will result in their return so much later than when they left that human kind may not even exist anymore, let alone anyone they knew still being alive.
Those waiting on their return would almost be like those guys from the Hitch Hikers Guide.... and the information they bring back IF humans are still around would probably have been figured out anyway.
This is just one inherent problem with sending people off into space at distances only achievable by travelling at near the speed of light.
Scary huh
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