your thoughts on aliens/ extra terrestials?

[HiddenMe]

So do the boys at SETI.

You mean SETI by the people who sent a message to outer space depicting our major element, our population, our planets, and so on in 1974? I read on that they received a reply in a crop circle. Look it up

 

[HiddenMe]

That shouldn't take more than five minutes.

Lol.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Go on YouTube and search weird lights in sky.

This was the first video:

Best UFO Footage Captured - Strange Lights In Sky, Greatest Footage - YouTube
It's not really... anything. As the title says, it's just weird lights in the sky (a lot of them were repeated, presumably to bulk the video out). Cool lights, very nice optical effects, but no signs that it's at all to do with aliens.

The information given at 6:07 was particularly unexpected. Do you believe what it says?

There is even one where a US helicopter is circling a weird light in the sky for hours before the light vanishes.

There are many. Did you mean this one?

Breaking News UFO Sightings Helicopter Circles UFO 12-30-2013 - YouTube

Look at alien abduction documentaries.

I have, and they're good for a chuckle, but I didn't think anyone actually believed them - they're filled with schoolboy mistakes. These documentaries are of the same ilk as What the bleep do we know?! - hysteria and psychological biases wrapped up in science-y sounding hockum. Alien abduction documentaries are fun - I love to spook myself out! - but even a passing sceptical eye shows them as flawed, flawed, flawed.

First and foremost: no sources. Every person could be a paid actor, or a liar looking for 15 minutes of fame. They could be delusional, or have exaggerated odd but otherwise mundane experiences into what they want to see.

Where's the evidence independent of their testimony? I think you mention this in your later points, so this point seems to be a dead-end - alien documentaries are a dud.

People all over the world waking up with weird unexplainable marks on their bodies. Their symptoms and stories are so alike.

Well, no one knows every inch of their skin every hour of the day. Bites, grazes, bruises, scratches, and all manner of things happen to the skin that we never even realise. If you bash your leg in the night, odds are you won't even remember it - so the bruise becomes inexplicable.

People who have surgeries done to take out a weird lump find out that it is a piece from an asteriod.

Now this is the first thing that sounds like it isn't just people getting hysterical over nothing. Can you cite a verifiable case where someone had a genuine piece of asteroid removed from their bodies? I did a few Google searches and nothing pertinent came up (unless you mean this! ).

One family was driving home which would only take 20 minutes but ended up arriving 1 hr and 20 min later and have no idea how and why. All they remember was seeing a bright light above them.

When did this happen? Who was the family? Where were they travelling from? Where were they travelling to? What was their route? Pardon my naivety, but couldn't they have simply gotten lost?

Crop circle documentaries. Yes, some are man made but some are so complex and they appear overnight.

That doesn't make them extraterrestrial in origin, though. Complex patters are very easy to make - just take near enough anything in mathematics, from fractals to encoded constants, and you have yourself an image with the tantalising scent of hidden mystery. You can even make up any old nonsense and make it look like there's a pattern there.

There are only two ways I can think of (there may, of course, be more) that we can positively identify a crop circle as being made by aliens: first, we catch them in the act, or second, the crop circle leaves genuine knowledge - technology, new medicines, verifiable astronomical data, etc. Beyond that, how else can we differentiate the man-made crop circles from the real deal?

There is even a video that looks like one is literally appearing before your eyes.

I couldn't find that video.

What about the Roswell incident? Don't be fooled by what the media tells you that it was just a weather balloon. The government does several cover up stories to trick people like you into thinking it wasn't anything serious.

Well, do you have anything solid that implies that it wasn't an air balloon? Being paranoid about government coverups doesn't mean that every alien story is true - sometimes, a weather balloon may simply be a weather balloon.

One guy who used to work with area 51 has confessed that they have technology we don't know about.

Which guy? When did he work there? What division and rank was he in? What technology did he witness? And only because I have to ask: can anything he said be corroborated?

What new technology we have now, they have already had for years.

That seems unlikely, given that modern technology is meticulously well documented. Microchips didn't pop out of the ether, they have a long and storied history going back to vacuum tubes.

Don't be brainwashed like others. Be smart and realize the world is not what it seems. Take time to do research on it.

What if I've done the research and found it lacking? Am I still brainwashed if I am open to, have investigated, but have come away not believing in government/alien conspiracies?

 

[Michael]

Actually, I meant (rather flippantly) that the only real difference between getting to Mars and getting to the Moon is that of distance.

Ya, but I'll bet you didn't sign up for that one way trip to Mars. Getting back will sure seem like it's a lot further than it looks from here.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Ya, but I'll bet you didn't sign up for that one way trip to Mars. Getting back will sure seem like it's a lot further than it looks from here.

I'm flippant - not stupid

 

[Archie the Preacher]

I've read the entire Bible completely several times, and attended Bible studies on various parts of the Bible (both passage and theme oriented) for over fifty-five years; I recall nothing specific to suggest life on other planets would be anything other than life.

I do remember one gentleman claiming that 'aliens' must be demonic as the Bible does not mention or identify them. I find that argument rather shallow and the argument would also label the people of China as demonic for the same reason.

Hidden You; it sounds like you are confusing 'evidence' and 'argument' with 'proof'.

Seeing unexplained lights in the sky is 'evidence'; a raw fact to be considered. They may be alien space ships, they may be swamp gas, they may be experimental aircraft, they may be the Rwandan Air Force on exercises. (They need to be IDENTIFIED flying objects before they are valid evidence; let alone proof.) A fingerprint may be evidence; with other considerations, it may be part of 'proof'. Testimony is 'evidence'. Alone, testimony is an unsubstantiated claim. Again, with other information, it may be part of 'proof', but is not on it's own.

There are many planets in our Galaxy. Some of them are similar to Earth. Therefore, it is possible they may have some form of life; perhaps intelligent. However, this is an argument; a series of reasons and reasoning implying a conclusion. It is NOT proof.

I'm not sure if there is life out there or not. Truthfully, I would like the idea to be true. I really want life to be out there. But if there is or not, I have to pay the utilities bill. Life goes on.

By the way, I watch the Ancient Aliens programs often. Some are interesting and thought provoking, some are so obvious my dog could spot the gag. No proof; lots of spotty evidence, argument and opinion.

If 'proof' exists for any subject, (reasonable) people don't disagree about it. The shape of the Earth and structure of the Solar System, for instance.

 

[Michael]

I'm flippant - not stupid

LOL! True.

 

[Michael]

I've read the entire Bible completely several times, and attended Bible studies on various parts of the Bible (both passage and theme oriented) for over fifty-five years; I recall nothing specific to suggest life on other planets would be anything other than life.

I do remember one gentleman claiming that 'aliens' must be demonic as the Bible does not mention or identify them. I find that argument rather shallow and the argument would also label the people of China as demonic for the same reason.

Hidden You; it sounds like you are confusing 'evidence' and 'argument' with 'proof'.

Seeing unexplained lights in the sky is 'evidence'; a raw fact to be considered. They may be alien space ships, they may be swamp gas, they may be experimental aircraft, they may be the Rwandan Air Force on exercises. (They need to be IDENTIFIED flying objects before they are valid evidence; let alone proof.) A fingerprint may be evidence; with other considerations, it may be part of 'proof'. Testimony is 'evidence'. Alone, testimony is an unsubstantiated claim. Again, with other information, it may be part of 'proof', but is not on it's own.

There are many planets in our Galaxy. Some of them are similar to Earth. Therefore, it is possible they may have some form of life; perhaps intelligent. However, this is an argument; a series of reasons and reasoning implying a conclusion. It is NOT proof.

I'm not sure if there is life out there or not. Truthfully, I would like the idea to be true. I really want life to be out there. But if there is or not, I have to pay the utilities bill. Life goes on.

By the way, I watch the Ancient Aliens programs often. Some are interesting and thought provoking, some are so obvious my dog could spot the gag. No proof; lots of spotty evidence, argument and opinion.

If 'proof' exists for any subject, (reasonable) people don't disagree about it. The shape of the Earth and structure of the Solar System, for instance.

I'm pretty much with you on all counts. I'm certainly open to the idea, and statistically speaking it seems inevitable IMO, but most of the evidence I've seen looks hokey at best, or was likely related to black project of some kind.

 

[Radagast]

Maybe because you haven't bothered to look them up?? Go on YouTube and search weird lights in sky. There is even one where a US helicopter is circling a weird light in the sky for hours before the light vanishes. Look at alien abduction documentaries. People all over the world waking up with weird unexplainable marks on their bodies. Their symptoms and stories are so alike. People who have surgeries done to take out a weird lump find out that it is a piece from an asteriod. One family was driving home which would only take 20 minutes but ended up arriving 1 hr and 20 min later and have no idea how and why. All they remember was seeing a bright light above them. Crop circle documentaries. Yes, some are man made but some are so complex and they appear overnight. There is even a video that looks like one is literally appearing before your eyes.What about the Roswell incident? Don't be fooled by what the media tells you that it was just a weather balloon. The government does several cover up stories to trick people like you into thinking it wasn't anything serious. You have to know that the government hides things from us. One guy who used to work with area 51 has confessed that they have technology we don't know about. What new technology we have now, they have already had for years. Don't be brainwashed like others. Be smart and realize the world is not what it seems. Take time to do research on it.

None of those things have the slightest credibility. All of them have been debunked.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm pretty much with you on all counts. I'm certainly open to the idea, and statistically speaking it seems inevitable IMO, but most of the evidence I've seen looks hokey at best, or was likely related to black project of some kind.

Indeed -- if that "evidence" were real, it would suggest that aliens want to keep their presence hidden from us, and that they're doing a terrible job of it.

Just what we deserve -- interplanetary screwups.

 

[HiddenMe]

None of those things have the slightest credibility. All of them have been debunked.

So people waking up with parts of their skin scraped of in different parts of the world that doctors can't explain is nothing? The pictures are there. The people are real

 

[HiddenMe]

Indeed -- if that "evidence" were real, it would suggest that aliens want to keep their presence hidden from us, and that they're doing a terrible job of it.

Just what we deserve -- interplanetary screwups.

They don't want to be hidden to everyone. They know whatever they do, people like you, won't believe it, while others do.

 

[CabVet]

Aliens and extra terrestrials are not Biblical and do not exist; until of course, they are discovered, and then they will be Biblical and proof that God exists.

 

[HiddenMe]

Aliens and extra terrestrials are not Biblical and do not exist; until of course, they are discovered, and then they will be Biblical and proof that God exists.

Are you even a christian? Our faith is not to walk by sight but by faith alone.

 

[CabVet]

Are you even a christian? Our faith is not to walk by sight but by faith alone.

So?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

So people waking up with parts of their skin scraped of in different parts of the world that doctors can't explain is nothing? The pictures are there. The people are real

Who are they? Which parts of the world are they? When did these events happen? Where on the body are the scrapes? Are there pictures? Which doctors can't explain them?

In my post #43, I have similar questions about "the guy" (what's his name? When and where did he work at area 51? What was his rank? What technology did he see?) and the asteroid-surgery - these things should be easy to corroborate.

 

[selfinflikted]

It's almost certain that life exists elsewhere in the solar system, galaxy, and universe. Titan, one of Jupiter's moons, has a nitrogen rich atmosphere and oceans of liquid methane. It even rains there (again, methane). Perhaps there are creatures that swim in the methane oceans there? Europa, another of Jupiter's moons, is basically a giant ball of ice with a large ocean of liquid water underneath. Perhaps life has evolved there as well?

Hopefully, one day we will know for sure

 

[AV1611VET]

It's almost certain that life exists elsewhere in the solar system, galaxy, and universe.

No kidding? my nephew could tell you that.

Titan, one of Jupiter's moons, has a nitrogen rich atmosphere and oceans of liquid methane. It even rains there (again, methane). Perhaps there are creatures that swim in the methane oceans there? Europa, another of Jupiter's moons, is basically a giant ball of ice with a large ocean of liquid water underneath.

I heard someone around here gets ridiculed for believing there are Flood waters on Neptune.

But it's okay for you to say what you just did?

After all, you're an atheist ... right?

 

[selfinflikted]

No kidding? my nephew could tell you that.

Good for him.

I heard someone around here gets ridiculed for believing there are Flood waters on Neptune.

But it's okay for you to say what you just did?

After all, you're an atheist ... right?

Well, your scenario of how the alleged water got to Neptune is laughable, AV. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to you, the entire Earth was flooded and then god magically transported the water to Neptune. Amirite?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, your scenario of how the alleged water got to Neptune is laughable, AV.

Let's hear yours then.

If you believed the waters are now on Neptune; how would you explain it?