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Young earth creationist questions

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by preacherinblack, Oct 26, 2014.

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  1. Bluelion

    Bluelion Peace and Love

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    oh and God is not mythology He is the one and only True living God.
     
  2. AmericanChristian91

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    I still do not understand your belief about me going against God for thinking the flood did not happen. I'm not saying there is no reason for the story, nor am I saying God made
    A mistake. That is like you telling me that I am going against
    Gods word for knowing that the story of the prodigal son and that of the Good Samaritan are not historically accurate, teaching history is not the purpose of said stories.
     
  3. AmericanChristian91

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    Please show me where I said God was a myth.
     
  4. Blue Wren

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    :amen: Jesus is my cornerstone, for my faith.
     
  5. AmericanChristian91

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    :thumbsup:
     
  6. Bluelion

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    God wrote the Bible, you said the flood was mythology= God is mythology.

    I was just having a moment with God you really have no idea what you are missing. There is no life with out God God=Life

    God said if you hate your brother but claim to love God you are a lair, if you can not love your brother who you see you can not love God that you do not see.

    So if you say God's word is a lie any part of it You call Jesus a Lair who is The Living Word of God. By denying God's word you deny Christ.
     
  7. Bluelion

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    The Stone the builders reject has become The cornerstone if any man stumble over it it breaks his bones and if it fall on any one it grids their bones to dust.

    Do you know what the cornerstone means. Its in the church, it is the master brick that holds the whole church together.

    But you can not say i believe in Jesus but reject parts of the Bible. Just like you can not say I hate my brother but love God.
     
  8. Blue Wren

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    It is not "rejecting" parts of the Bible, to have a different exegesis of it, no. I do not wish to engage, in a debate. I am just saying it to you, straightforward. Yes, I know what a cornerstone means. Jesus, He is my cornerstone, this I promise to you. :)
     
  9. AmericanChristian91

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    The many books that make up the bible were written by many people, using various literary genres, across various cultures, across many time periods, for different reasons/purposes. So the bible does not become a stack of dominoes just because some parts of the bible are not historically accurate.

    You know what else did not happen in the Bible when it comes to actual history? The story of the prodigal son and the good Samaritan in the NT. However that was never the intention of the story, just like historical accuracy is not the purpose of the Flood story (and we can see that with our God given reason).

    By the way, telling someone who identifies as a Christian, that they are not a real christian (saying I am denying Christ, missing out on moments with God, as if that is something you have and I don't), is against forum policy. Keep it up and I will report you to a mod.

    Treat others as how would want to be treated. No where have I attacked your personal faith with Jesus.
     
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  10. mmksparbud

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    There are differences between parables and real stories.
    The disciples new the flood to be real, no parable, they new the creation story to be real, no parable. They believed in those names---Noah, Jonah, Job, Joseph--no bedtime stories. Jesus believed in Noah and the flood,
    (Mat 24:37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    (Mat 24:38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    (Mat 24:39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Jesus didn't teach it as a parable. He was talking to the disciples, and He did not speak to them in parables, only to the people--- and if it's real enough for Him, it's real enough for me.

    Maybe some people need to be told exactly when a miracle happens, I do not---It's easy enough to figure out.
     
  11. Saricharity

    Saricharity Follower of Christ

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    Dang I didn't Iisten to my better judgement. After I did my devotions last ngith, I pondered on your words for a long time and prayed about it. Yes, I'm THAT girl who actually continues to think about things posted on an Internet forum. Probably not a very wise choice but it is what it is.
    I woke up this morning and opened my bible to Hebrews 11.

    Now FAITH is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By FAITH we understand that the universe was formed at Gods command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

    (Notice this chapter is chronological. The heroes of faith in the bible were respected)

    Verse seven....By FAITH Noah when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family....

    The great heroes of Faith had faith and obeyed God.

    Another thing which I read this morning made me smile. So many of you professing that Jesus is your cornerstone. I'm so glad to hear that. :)

    I do have some honest questions. And I am not being disrespectful or trying to prove a point. I want to hear your answer. Why do you have no problem believing by FAITH that Jesus was born of a virgin? Is that not scientifically impossible? Why do you believe that Jesus was risen from the dead? Is that not scientifically impossible? Do you believe in the other miracles Jesus did? Do you believe he raised Lazaras from the dead? Do you believe Jesus turned water into wine? Do you believe Jesus rose into the clouds at Pentecost?

    Why do you find it so difficult to believe there was a world wide flood or that God created the world in six literal days when that would have been a snap for God compared to bringing someone back from the dead. No one had ever been dead for three days and brought back to life. God did so many miracles inthe Old Testament and the bible speaks about them all. How do you discern which ones are truth and which ones are epic tales? I don't want to hear that you read it from some man. Tell me using scripture how you discerned that Gods Holy word is truth in some aspects and tales in others. Do you believe Balaams Donkey talked to him? Do you believe Gods hand wrote on the wall? Do you believe Jonah was swallowed by a big fish? I am honestly trying to understand how you discern what is true from what is a tale.
     
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  12. Saricharity

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    It's fine Bluelion. :)

    Believing that there was a flood or not is really not a salvation issue. Just as believing pastors can be a man or a woman is not a salvation issue. Those are secondary issues. Yes, they will dramatically affect your FAITH but they won't strip you of your salvation. Bare bones salvation. Do you believe Jesus died for your sins, rose again on the third day? THAT He defeated death? That He is reigning in heaven at the right hand side of the father.? That Jesus is coming back one day and will defeat Satan. All these are dependent upon FAITH. None of these things can be researched or made sense of through our logical selves. We can't depend on ourselves...or science. We must believe by FAITH.
     
  13. classicalhero

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    Questions for evolutionists. Why did it take a man who hated God to reveal the truth as we see it now? We did a man who hated God make such a big change to those who love God? If God is truth, then why was the truth hidden until about 150 years?
     
  14. PrincetonGuy

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    The faith that is most important to God is the faith that rescues us from the dominion of darkness, and transforms us into the kingdom of God’s beloved Son (Col. 1:13). That transformation occurs when we are exposed the Light of the world, and through faith choose to follow Him where ever He may lead us (John 8:12). Jesus (John 3:3, 7) and Peter (1 Peter 1:3, 23) called the transformation being “born again.” It has nothing at all to do with faith in any particular interpretation of Genesis 1 – 11. The ancient Hebrew people interpreted these chapters in a manner radically different from the interpretation held by Christian fundamentalists today. Indeed, the Church, up till the Middle Ages, interpreted these chapters in a manner very different from the interpretation held by Christian fundamentalists today.

    Today, conservative, evangelical Christian scholars specializing in the study of the Hebrew text of Genesis and publishing their research in peer-reviewed biblical journals interpret these chapters in a manner very different from any of their predecessors. However, most Christian fundamentalists still interpret these chapters very much as did most Christians in the later part of the Middle Ages when the Church began to accept from science that the earth is not flat. Other Christian fundamentalists, however, insist that God is NOT a liar, and that Genesis 1 – 11 is a literal account of historic events. That is, that God opened the windows in the dome over the flat (rather than spherical) earth producing extremely heavy rains that largely contributed to the flood. “The Bible is either true or false; if you reject part of it in favor of science—you reject the whole Bible and the God of the Bible. We know by FAITH that the earth is flat because the Bible explicitly teaches that the earth is flat.”

    Gen. 6:6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
    7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
    8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.
    9. And God said, “Let the waters under the sky be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.
    10. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. (NRSV)

    Gen. 7:11. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
    12. The rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. (NRSV)

    Moreover, only a flat earth has four corners:

    Isa. 11:12. He will raise a signal for the nations,
    and will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
    and gather the dispersed of Judah
    from the four corners of the earth. (NRSV)

    Rev.7:1. After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind could blow on earth or sea or against any tree. (NRSV)

    The literal four corners of the earth in the Bible gave rise to today’s popular expression.

    Furthermore, Jesus was able to see all the kingdoms of the world from “a very high mountain.” This would have been impossible on a spherical earth:

    Matt. 4:8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; (NRSV)

     
  15. Metal Minister

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    So are you saying there can be no figurative language in the bible? Or that if anything is figurative, then it must all be figurative? Can you show us where the figurative/allegorical language of Genesis 1-11 is? Where it starts and where it ends? The markers in language that show it to be non-historical in nature?
     
  16. PrincetonGuy

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    No.

    No.

    The language in Genesis 1 – 11 is neither figurative nor allegorical.

    Please see my posts in this thread that address these and other issues.
     
  17. Saricharity

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    I'm really trying to discern what your point is when quoting all the scripture referencing a flat earth. That had been disproven and I learned about that in my grade nine bible class. Early scholars did not believe the earth was flat. That flat earth mythology was promoted by people trying to discredit the scripture beginning in 1870s. The bible teaches that the earth was round....circie of the earth. The bible does not discredit itself in anyway. We can trust it and put our FAITH in it. It seems to me that whenever the bible has touched upon anything slightly scientific,it has been completely accurate. Jesus truly spoke when he said in John 3:12, “If I tell you of earthly things and you believe not, how shall you believe if I tell you of heavenly things?” Hmm do you suppose he meant that if we deny the earthly claims of Scripture [the Creation, Fall, world-covering Flood and the Tower of Babel and other historical claims of the Bible], how can we believe the heavenly things it claims [like the resurrection, salvation and eternal rewards]. My question exactly.
     
  18. AmericanChristian91

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    The bible does not teach a spherical earth. The circle of the earth is not a reference to our round earth.

    http://www.crivoice.org/circle.html

    The writers of the bible did not know the true shape of the earth.

    There are many references in the Bible to support this view.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmology

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmology#Earth

    http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/gre13.htm

    How the ancient Hebrews saw the world.
    http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws....s/2012/11/Ancient-Hebrew-view-of-universe.png

    And about the flat earth belief.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

    But yes there are misconceptions about the flat earth idea.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
     
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