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BobRyan

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Both good angels and bad angels are alien to this earth. They were not created here. So obviously all those statements are true in that post.
 
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Except in Hebrews 11 and in Hebrews 1 God tells us that He made "other WORLDS".

Not only that but in Job 1 and 2 - the first-created "Adam"s from all those other worlds meet together with God - and Satan comes among them - Satan says he represents Earth in that meeting because he had taken Adam's dominion from him at the fall.
 
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I see the verses posted but I don't see anything that talks about aliens, ufos....etc. Maybe I'm blind. Post the exact verse I am suppose to be looking at.

As for angels. I mean yes, technically I guess you could refer to them as "aliens" but it doesn't make much sense. We know what angels are. And where they are. They are not in this universe so to speak. Maybe in another "dimension" if you want to phrase it like that.
 
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"Worlds" looses something in translation. "Borne" or "Fallen" is better. In other words, what God has created is a manifestation of powers and principalities (plural).
 
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Angels could be aliens. At the time, the Bible was created by people's limited knowledge about spaceships and advanced technology that the aliens possessed at the time. Angels with wings in chariots could be viewed as a spaceship in modern times. They did not have the terminology to describe what they saw accurately as we do now. I would not take every word in the Bible literally. Language is still evolving with our times. Now there are supposedly 5000 spoken languages around the world. http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?ParagraphID=axx

Angels are spirits according to the Bible. Hebrews1:14

Aliens are spirit beings too.

There are good angels and bad angels. There are also good spirits and bad spirits. However, I don't think it is this simplistic. Good vs. bad etc seems to be too simple-minded but good for movies.

God created this universe and all life in it. He created aliens too- whether you accept that they exist or not is your opinion.
 
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But from a worldly standpoint if you say you believe in aliens, they will think you believe in little green men from outerspace. They won't think you mean angels. Though I just prefer the term angel because its what they are. Even in the story (well in many) of Jesus resurrection they seen an "angel" at the tomb. Granted I'm not sure the original Hebrew word used at the time.
 
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Angels could be aliens.

By definition they have to be - unless some hospital is recording the birth of new angels some place on earth.


At the time, the Bible was created by people's limited knowledge about spaceships and advanced technology that the aliens possessed at the time. Angels with wings in chariots could be viewed as a spaceship in modern times.

I don't think we need to go through such jirations and mangle the text. Ezekiel sees "a wheel within a wheel" large machines that fly in the air and are guided by a Cherubim or Seraphim. So clearly OT writers had the same ability to describe a "box in the air" or a "wheel in the air" as any human can do that can write.

So when they say something about a large "flying wheel" that can move in any direction without turning to face that direction - well it is not too hard to insert that sort of thing into something claimed today.

But a being - bright and shiny with wings - that is another matter altogether and probably not a "flying box" or a "flying wheel" shape.

They did not have the terminology to describe what they saw accurately as we do now. I would not take every word in the Bible literally.

It is a stretch to think that a human that can write - cannot describe a flying box or wheel as anything but a person with hands and feet and wings.


Angels are spirits according to the Bible. Hebrews1:14 But we are told that they have physical features, faces, hands, feet etc and we are not in a position to claim to know more about the physical appearance of angels - than those that actually saw them.


There are good angels and bad angels. There are also good spirits and bad spirits. However, I don't think it is this simplistic. Good vs. bad etc seems to be too simple-minded

if that were true then you simply "quoting you" would have more weight than the Bible. And clearly we can't go down that road.

My claim here is not that angels are the only beings besides humans that God created. My claim is that Angels are alien by definition and that the alien descriptions floating around today - are either hoaxes or they are description of fallen angels as they engage in efforts to "deceive".

Given their capability vast advantages - contrasted to our own great disadvantages by comparison it is impossible to negate their impact on the final equation.
 
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"Worlds" looses something in translation. .

Worlds is a legitimate translation as the translators themselves actually read and speak the language into which they are translating. The fact that it is not the only one possible and that context rules - merely opens the door to 'more guessing' or shall we say "more second-guessing" in this case. But leads to no certainty at all about the 'second guess'.
 
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But from a worldly standpoint if you say you believe in aliens, they will think you believe in little green men from outerspace.

more specifically "little green men from outerspace that love to visit earth and do little air-show acrobatics for the humans as some kind of joke".

Clearly that whole thing is nothing but "deception". Either deception of the one making the claim about what they saw or video taped... or it is deception by the entity itself that is being observed.

They won't think you mean angels. Though I just prefer the term angel because its what they are. Even in the story (well in many) of Jesus resurrection they seen an "angel" at the tomb. Granted I'm not sure the original Hebrew word used at the time.

Agreed. But given the vast power and advantage of fallen angels that make Earth their home - it is impossible to regard this little "signs-and-wonders" displays as anything other than the Matt 24 "if possible they would deceive the very elect".

This sort of conclusion is impossible for an atheist evolutionist - but it cannot be ignored by a Christian who knows the truth about the vast advantage that real fallen angels on earth - would still have over mankind.
 
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I was referring to the fact that "worlds" did not reveal the spiritual meaning or understanding. All things come in parables, and must be discerned spiritually.
 
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I was referring to the fact that "worlds" did not reveal the spiritual meaning or understanding. All things come in parables, and must be discerned spiritually.

So then virgin birth "merely a parable"?
bodily resurrection "merely a parable" ?
miracles of Christ "merely parables"??
second coming of Christ "merely a parable" to be spiritualized away?

does that sort of thing "have an end"??
 
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So then virgin birth "merely a parable"?
bodily resurrection "merely a parable" ?
miracles of Christ "merely parables"??
second coming of Christ "merely a parable" to be spiritualized away?

does that sort of thing "have an end"??
Just as I said, just as it is written, "All things come in parables" Mark 4:11.

But, if you think spiritualizing is wrong - then you are against God: "God is spirit" John 4:24. Do you not realize that all the world was made manifest, not for the flesh or for the world, but to bring forth spiritual children into the kingdom, born of the spirit of God? John 3
 
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Both good angels and bad angels are alien to this earth. They were not created here. So obviously all those statements are true in that post.

I dislike the use of the term term Angel here. Aliens are physical beings, Angels are supernatural/spiritual beings.

You can easily tell the difference between Aliens and Angels in the bible. Angels appear supernaturally like Gabriel did to Mary, Aliens use advanced technology which is often referenced as silvery clouds or fiery chariots etc in the bible.
 
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Personal opinion---Angels and fallen angels and Satan are all aliens as far as they are not human. God made them as messengers and the fallen ones are now no longer able to traverse to other inhabited worlds. I say inhabited as Job states a sort of heavenly meeting which Satan attends as He is the prince of this world. I do believe God has intelligent life out there on other worlds, but after the fall, I personally feel that this whole galaxy is considered "contaminated" by sin and there is no life in it except for our planet. Obviously, I can not point to any scripture that states that--that I know of. I do believe that the whole universe is watching us and this whole Satan versus God battle. God could have blotted out Satan and his followers, but He didn't, He has let this whole thing come to it's conclusion so that the entire universe will not be left wondering if maybe Satan wasn't right. They have seen what the end result of sin has led to--they saw it at the cross and when God does destroy the fallen angels and the unrepentant wicked---there will be no doubt about the justice of that act.
 
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As i have said in a previous post were a not even alone in our Milky way Galaxy. if you study many ancient texts you find will evidence that we have been visited from beings from star systems in Orion, Sirius and Zeta- reticuli. Compared to the size of the universe these Aliens beings are practically on our doorstep and they must be thousands perhaps even millions of years ahead of us in technology.

The Zeta- reticuli Aliens still visit earth now and are the ones responsible for alien abductions and may-be evil. They certainly don't work for God as they play around with human pro creation/DNA. It is thought that the reason for abductions is to create alien hybrids.
 
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They are not human, but the bible leads us to believe that Angels are spiritual/supernatural beings when Aliens clearly are not.

It's more of a case of a universal war between the most advanced and intelligent being in the universe called GOD and the the second most advanced being called SATAN who feels he should be in charge.

It's just intergalatic politics with two supreme beings fighting over who should be the king of the universe and with the whole of creation as the battleground.
 
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As i have said in a previous post were a not even alone in our Milky way Galaxy.

That is very likely the case - though not at all for the reasons you propose.

if you study many ancient texts you find will evidence that we have been visited from beings from star systems in Orion, Sirius and Zeta- reticuli.

And Pharaoh's magicians made it "appear" that sticks turn into snakes on command of the Magicians.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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I dislike the use of the term term Angel here. Aliens are physical beings, Angels are supernatural/spiritual beings.

Alien just means foreign.

You can easily tell the difference between Aliens and Angels in the bible. Angels appear supernaturally like Gabriel did to Mary,

hmm -- lets try Genesis 18 and 19

Gen 18
Then the Lord appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. 2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, 3 and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. 4 Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. 5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh your hearts. After that you may pass by, inasmuch as you have come to your servant.”
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Abraham Intercedes for Sodom
16 Then the men rose from there and looked toward Sodom, and Abraham went with them to send them on the way. 17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.” 20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave, 21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

22 Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. 23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

Gen 19
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”

And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”

3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.

4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.

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Angels can appear in physical form as humans or as whatever form they wish. And in this example the humans could not tell the difference.
 
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