you will be judged even if decieved

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Also why do you feel inclined to tell us to warn your loved ones?

Do you know ?
Is there a way to tell openly on this forum without breaking the rules (of the site) ?
I don't think there is.

 

[SteveB28]

very good, thanks.

then if you are open to debate, the very next step is being open to change.

because when we are proven wrong many times, we build walls up in the fortress of our mind, blocking anyone from coming close. But in debate, everything is on the table. If for example your livelihood were on debate, say for example you were an evolutionary biologist and I proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt evolution to be false. Honest debate, means you would quite your job, take up three other jobs, get more school grants, go back to school and get a different degree. And live your life with a changed mind that affected your life.

but to say no, I am wrong regarding evolution. Because you don't want to get a new job....is not right.

and this is not really honest.

... is it?

Perhaps a good place to insert another quotation from Professor Russell......

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."



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[createdtoworship]

Clearly we are not, or social mores would be a constant factor through history and across geography. And even in our own time and place, ethics and morals are controversial matters. And, of course, neither babes in arms nor spotty adolescents have much to contribute to that controversy.



The principle is well established in law, as far back as the Romans.

Take the recent incidents concerning moslem male refugee migrants in Germany. They were ignorant of laws against sexual harassment, and as far as they were concerned, the way women dress in the west means they are prostitutes, or, at least, sexually available. So, among other unpleasantnesses, they went around public places in gangs putting their hands up women's skirts. When the culprits are identified, they are rightly tried, judged and sentenced according to German law, not their own 'moral' attitudes.

Ignorantia juris non excusat (Ignorance of the law is no excuse).

Cheers, Strivax.

no where in the world is cutting in line acceptible, regardless of race, ethnicity or local. You can even go as far as saying selfishness in general is avoided in civil laws world wide. But what law are they following? It's not the herd instinct, as a herd instinct simply is following the others in your type of species, to safety, or to food. A herd instinct would not apply. So then since it is not the herd instinct what law are people following to say that one should not be selfish?(as in cutting in line)

 

[createdtoworship]

Do you know ?
Is there a way to tell openly on this forum without breaking the rules (of the site) ?
I don't think there is.

not sure.

 

[createdtoworship]

Personally, I find theists to be the ones not open to change, which always makes me question why they post in forums open to everyone, instead of sticking to Christian-only forums where their basic beliefs aren't challenged.

And an honest theist would also abandon their beliefs if they come to the conclusion that they believe for bad reasons, right?

in the circles i run with christians are very open minded, not sure which circles you run with tho.

 

[JustHereToTalk]

Where is "the age of accountability" espoused in the Bible?

 

[JustHereToTalk]

no where in the world is cutting in line acceptible, regardless of race, ethnicity or local. You can even go as far as saying selfishness in general is avoided in civil laws world wide. But what law are they following? It's not the herd instinct, as a herd instinct simply is following the others in your type of species, to safety, or to food. A herd instinct would not apply. So then since it is not the herd instinct what law are people following to say that one should not be selfish?(as in cutting in line)

Would you say that this herd is simply following the calf for safety or food?

 

[HitchSlap]

Meh, he's god, he can do as he wants.

For a long time I believed God will never judge those who don't know about him.

but given the law of nature* innate in our mental instincts.

Even if we are deceived it appears God will still judge* us.

source: (adam and eve being deceived still rejected from the garden).

so this motive that satan can deceive man in a way that makes God curse his creation, has been the motive of satan for thousands of years.

But I used to try to sugar coat my ideas, that the pigmi's in africa never heard the Gospel and would be safe.

but the truth is, that via deception of the prince of the air, the chances are not looking good for them.

hence this motive led one of the greatest missionary movements of our time.

1789-1914 the great missionary era.

We are no longer in a missionary era, and that is unfortunate.

what are your thoughts.

Footnotes:

*law of nature, as explained by CS lewis (explanation of this is allowed on this thread)
**Judgement - great white throne judgement, of all wrong doings: Revelation 20:12-14: "12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."


(note:now, one can argue that eve was the one deceived and not adam. Meaning that either He KNEW what was happening, and chose to do it anyway. Which begs the question when we are deceived, if deep inside, if we REALLY are suppressing the truth for a lie.)

see truth decay in OP

 

[createdtoworship]

Where is "the age of accountability" espoused in the Bible?

David when mentioning his child's death said "we will go to him" he will not come to us But a child who died prematurely surely cannot follow the law of God nor accept Christ savior. I typically do believe in an age of accountability but not sure what age it happens. It's probably different for each child.

2 Samuel 12:23New King James Version (NKJV)
23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”

granted it may mean, simply that he wished him to come back from the dead, and that he lost hope of a healing, once the child died.

 

[createdtoworship]

Would you say that this herd is simply following the calf for safety or food?

I suppose safety but in all honesty I don't have the data to stream you video. Can you summarize?

 

[Strivax]

no where in the world is cutting in line acceptible, regardless of race, ethnicity or local.

Actually, I think this more of a cultural convention than an ethical directive. And in France, for example, they often don't queue at all, just all rush at once. You need to be taught to queue; it is not written on our hearts that this is the right way to behave.

Best wishes, Strivax.

 

[Dave-W]

David when mentioning his child's death said "we will go to him" he will not come to us But a child who died prematurely surely cannot follow.the law.of God nor accept Christ savior.

Neither point is salient.

The child was covered by the Mosaic Covenant since his parents were Jewish. That means he was "saved" from the moment of conception. He need not "follow the law;" merely not violate the Law in a way that cuts one off from the people. Clearly an infant is incapable of that.

As to accepting Christ as savior - that truth was not to be revealed for another 1000 years.

I typically do believe in an age of accountability but not sure what age it happens.

There is absolutely no shred of evidence in the bible for such a thing.

 

[JustHereToTalk]

David when mentioning his child's death said "we will go to him" he will not come to us But a child who died prematurely surely cannot follow.the law.of God nor accept Christ savior. I typically do believe in an age of accountability but not sure what age it happens. It's probably different for each child.

When did David accept Christ as his savior?

 

[JustHereToTalk]

I suppose safety but in all honesty I don't have the data to stream you video. Can you summarize?

Sure. Essentially, we have a safari group filming a herd of buffalo walking along some river or lake, crossing by lions, lying in wait. Events transpire as follows:

- The head bull comes first, followed by a small procession with the bulk of the herd behind them.
- There is a calf who has strayed into this lighter procession, and seeing it, the lions quickly fall upon it.
- The lions wrestle with the calf as the herd approaches.
- There is an interlude where the calf falls into the water and the lions fight with crocodiles for their catch. The calf, mind you, is still alive and trying to get away.
- The lions successfully retrieve the calf from the water, and force it up onto land, where they then proceed to surround and attack it.
- The herd, once it arrives, assembles against the lions with large bulls up front.
- They fight the lions off of the calf.
- Having freed the calf, one of the bulls shepherds it to the back, stepping between it and the lions.
- The herd then disperses the lions, and it seems to then resume its course.

 

[createdtoworship]

Sure. Essentially, we have a safari group filming a herd of buffalo walking along some river or lake, crossing by lions, lying in wait. Events transpire as follows:

- The head bull comes first, followed by a small procession with the bulk of the herd behind them.
- There is a calf who has strayed into this lighter procession, and seeing it, the lions quickly fall upon it.
- The lions wrestle with the calf as the herd approaches.
- There is an interlude where the calf falls into the water and the lions fight with crocodiles for their catch. The calf, mind you, is still alive and trying to get away.
- The lions successfully retrieve the calf from the water, and force it up onto land, where they then proceed to surround and attack it.
- The herd, once it arrives, assembles against the lions with large bulls up front.
- They fight the lions off of the calf.
- Having freed the calf, one of the bulls shepherds it to the back, stepping between it and the lions.
- The herd then disperses the lions, and it seems to then resume its course.

thats not lack of selfishness, thats instinct.

it's the herd instict.

programmed into every animal upon creation.

like I seaid they are going to safety, and making sure all of them make it.

 

[Dave-W]

When did David accept Christ as his savior?

I think that verse is in Third Condominiums......

 

[createdtoworship]

When did David accept Christ as his savior?

some theorists believe the the gospel was preached even as far back as abraham, and to noahs' sons etc. Through visions. I personally believe Christ's gospel to be a specific dispensation of the new testament.

however if your real concerns may come out we can address them.

but for someone who rejects repentance and Christ, fiery damnation awaits all who do not believe the bible says.

but for children, this would not be the case according to some theologians.

i personally do not know exactly, but I know that we are judged based on how much we know, and if we repented or not, and if we accept Christ as saviour. IF the road is too hard for some, than there really is not other option than this. And I am grateful there is in fact ONE option. Because really, God did not need to give us a way at all....to be saved.

 

[createdtoworship]

I think that verse is in Third Condominiums......

I think our poster reads the book of "3rd hesitations" as in not committing to this form of life (religion in general that is).

 

[JustHereToTalk]

thats not lack of selfishness, thats instinct.

it's the herd instict.

programmed into every animal upon creation.

like I seaid they are going to safety, and making sure all of them make it.

You think that waiting in line shows "lack of selfishness," but standing between a lion and a calf that is not your descendant doesn't? Why must "lack of selfishness" come from some extraterrestrial source? Why couldn't it come from instinct?

 

[JustHereToTalk]

some theorists believe the the gospel was preached even as far back as abraham, and to noahs' sons etc. Through visions. I personally believe Christ's gospel to be a specific dispensation of the new testament.

however if your real concerns may come out we can address them.

but for someone who rejects repentance and Christ, fiery damnation awaits all who do not believe the bible says.

but for children, this would not be the case according to some theologians.

i personally do not know exactly, but I know that we are judged based on how much we know, and if we repented or not, and if we accept Christ as saviour. IF the road is too hard for some, than there really is not other option than this. And I am grateful there is in fact ONE option. Because really, God did not need to give us a way at all....to be saved.

So, in summary, there is no Scripture for this "age of accountability." ;-)