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Like you don't think this (taking of drugs and use of alcohol) don't happen on the democratic side?
I'd be surprised if no democrat did. (Barbarian checks)

Freshman Congressman Trey Radel (R-Florida) became the first sitting U.S. representative to be convicted for a cocaine offense this week. The 37-year-old Radel pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession charges, following from his attempt to score about 3.5 grams of coke for $250 from an undercover cop in late October. (Radel had recently voted with Republican colleagues to drug-test food stamp recipients – an irony not lost on minority leader Nancy Pelosi, who remarked, “It’s like, what!?“) Radel, blamed his “extremely irresponsible choice” on “the disease of alcoholism.” The first-time offender was sentenced to one year of probation.

President Barack Obama
While more famous for his youthful marijuana exploits as a member of the “Choom Gang,” the president in his memoir Dreams from My Father obliquely admitted that he had a taste for coke too. The president writes about his drug use in the context of self-medicating to deal with the pain of an absent father: “Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it.”

Former New York Governor David Paterson
The man who took over the governor’s mansion from Eliot Spitzer following a prostitution scandal began his administration by frankly discussing with a TV interviewer his tame-by-comparison experience with cocaine: “You used cocaine, governor?” asked the reporter. Paterson’s reply: “I’d say I was 22 or 23, I tried it a couple of times, yes.”

Former President George W. Bush
Allegations of youthful cocaine use dogged Bush throughout his political career. He always stopped short of definitively denying his use, preferring dodges like: “When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible.”

Former Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin
In a salacious biography published by Joe McGinniss, a friend of Palin’s recalls a snowmachine trip with her prior to her election as governor of Alaska, in which the party turned over a 55 gallon oil drum and “we were all doing cocaine lines off the top of the drum.”

Former Rep. Ron Dellums
Radel isn’t the first House member to be linked to cocaine use. According to Congressional ethics documents, Dellums, a California Democrat, was investigated in the early 1980s for possible cocaine use. An assistant manager of the House Democratic cloakroom testified to a grand jury that he’d sold coke to Dellums. Dellums “expressly denied” the charges. A Justice Department investigation later determined that “there is insufficient admissible, credible evidence to support criminal charges against Representative Dellums.”

Former Rep. Charlie Wilson
Wilson, a Republican from Texas, was alleged to have used cocaine on three occasions in 1980, once in Las Vegas and twice in the Caymans. Noting “jurisdictional problems,” the Department of Justice also concluded that there was “insufficient admissible, credible evidence” to charge Wilson.

Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry
The D.C. mayor is the only politician on this list to serve time for a cocaine offense. In a 1990 sting operation, Barry was lured to a room at the Vista International Hotel by a former girlfriend working for the FBI, and videotaped smoking crack. Not unlike Radel, Barry was found guilty of a single count of misdemeanor possession charge. Unlike Radel, Barry was sentenced to six months in federal prison.


I don't entirely buy the "young and stupid" excuse, but Bush and Obama at least stayed clean as adults.
 
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I'd be surprised if no democrat did. (Barbarian checks)

Freshman Congressman Trey Radel (R-Florida) became the first sitting U.S. representative to be convicted for a cocaine offense this week. The 37-year-old Radel pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession charges, following from his attempt to score about 3.5 grams of coke for $250 from an undercover cop in late October. (Radel had recently voted with Republican colleagues to drug-test food stamp recipients – an irony not lost on minority leader Nancy Pelosi, who remarked, “It’s like, what!?“) Radel, blamed his “extremely irresponsible choice” on “the disease of alcoholism.” The first-time offender was sentenced to one year of probation.

President Barack Obama
While more famous for his youthful marijuana exploits as a member of the “Choom Gang,” the president in his memoir Dreams from My Father obliquely admitted that he had a taste for coke too. The president writes about his drug use in the context of self-medicating to deal with the pain of an absent father: “Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it.”

Former New York Governor David Paterson
The man who took over the governor’s mansion from Eliot Spitzer following a prostitution scandal began his administration by frankly discussing with a TV interviewer his tame-by-comparison experience with cocaine: “You used cocaine, governor?” asked the reporter. Paterson’s reply: “I’d say I was 22 or 23, I tried it a couple of times, yes.”

Former President George W. Bush
Allegations of youthful cocaine use dogged Bush throughout his political career. He always stopped short of definitively denying his use, preferring dodges like: “When I was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible.”

Former Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin
In a salacious biography published by Joe McGinniss, a friend of Palin’s recalls a snowmachine trip with her prior to her election as governor of Alaska, in which the party turned over a 55 gallon oil drum and “we were all doing cocaine lines off the top of the drum.”

Former Rep. Ron Dellums
Radel isn’t the first House member to be linked to cocaine use. According to Congressional ethics documents, Dellums, a California Democrat, was investigated in the early 1980s for possible cocaine use. An assistant manager of the House Democratic cloakroom testified to a grand jury that he’d sold coke to Dellums. Dellums “expressly denied” the charges. A Justice Department investigation later determined that “there is insufficient admissible, credible evidence to support criminal charges against Representative Dellums.”

Former Rep. Charlie Wilson
Wilson, a Republican from Texas, was alleged to have used cocaine on three occasions in 1980, once in Las Vegas and twice in the Caymans. Noting “jurisdictional problems,” the Department of Justice also concluded that there was “insufficient admissible, credible evidence” to charge Wilson.

Former D.C. Mayor Marion Barry
The D.C. mayor is the only politician on this list to serve time for a cocaine offense. In a 1990 sting operation, Barry was lured to a room at the Vista International Hotel by a former girlfriend working for the FBI, and videotaped smoking crack. Not unlike Radel, Barry was found guilty of a single count of misdemeanor possession charge. Unlike Radel, Barry was sentenced to six months in federal prison.


I don't entirely buy the "young and stupid" excuse, but Bush and Obama at least stayed clean as adults.
Did they? Or is it possible they just didn't get caught?
 
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Did they? Or is it possible they just didn't get caught?
You think Bush and Obama are so much smarter than Trump that they managed to cover up drug abuse in their administrations, while the Trump administration got caught? Granted, they may be a lot smarter than Trump, but Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.
 
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You think Bush and Obama are so much smarter than Trump that they managed to cover up drug abuse in their administrations, while the Trump administration got caught? Granted, they may be a lot smarter than Trump, but Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.
No ... what I'm saying is we really don't necessarily know about one's drug abuses.

Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.
That's your opinion.

My opinion is that there are a lot of things we don't know about many people and things.
 
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No ... what I'm saying is we really don't necessarily know about one's drug abuses.
We realize that Trump staffers were abusing drugs in the WH because of the toxic environment therein. But we have nothing but imagination to go on regarding Bush and Obama.

Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.

That's your opinion.

He's been nailed by courts for fraud several times. So it's a matter of public record.

Judge finalizes $25 million settlement for 'victims of Donald Trump's fraudulent university'

Trump University attendees are getting paid back.
The courses themselves claimed to teach attendees Donald Trump's secrets to success in real estate. Plaintiffs accused Trump University of false advertising.

Within weeks of Trump's ascending to the presidency, Trump University agreed to settle the claims for $21 million, plus another $4 million for the New York Attorney General's office.


Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud


My opinion is that there are a lot of things we don't know about many people and things.
In Trump's case we don't have to imagine anything. The facts show that there was a major drug abuse problem in Trump's WH. And he's a habitual grifter, as court records show.

Trump White House pharmacy improperly provided drugs and misused funds, Pentagon report says

WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - The White House Medical Unit during the Trump administration provided prescription drugs, including controlled substances, to ineligible staff and spent tens of thousands of dollars more on brand-name drugs than what generic equivalents would have cost, a Pentagon report shows.
The unit, part of the White House Military Office, did not comply with federal government and Department of Defense guidelines, the report
, opens new tab, which was released on Jan. 8, found.

Ineligible staffers received free specialty care and surgery at military medical facilities and were provided with prescription drugs including controlled substances, in violation of federal law, the report also found.


And you have nothing but imagination to go on for Trump's predecessors.
 
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No ... what I'm saying is we really don't necessarily know about one's drug abuses.
Well eyewitness accounts can give us some idea. Also, have a list of dispensed drugs? Well, that's more than a bit informative.
That's your opinion.

My opinion is that there are a lot of things we don't know about many people and things.
It's not an opinion. It's his pattern of behaviour that is evident. NOBODY grifts like Donald Trump; I'm not sure how that could possibly be unnoticed as a behaviour he takes part in.
 
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We realize that Trump staffers were abusing drugs in the WH because of the toxic environment therein. But we have nothing but imagination to go on regarding Bush and Obama.

Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.



He's been nailed by courts for fraud several times. So it's a matter of public record.

Judge finalizes $25 million settlement for 'victims of Donald Trump's fraudulent university'

Trump University attendees are getting paid back.
The courses themselves claimed to teach attendees Donald Trump's secrets to success in real estate. Plaintiffs accused Trump University of false advertising.

Within weeks of Trump's ascending to the presidency, Trump University agreed to settle the claims for $21 million, plus another $4 million for the New York Attorney General's office.


Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud



In Trump's case we don't have to imagine anything. The facts show that there was a major drug abuse problem in Trump's WH. And he's a habitual grifter, as court records show.

Trump White House pharmacy improperly provided drugs and misused funds, Pentagon report says

WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - The White House Medical Unit during the Trump administration provided prescription drugs, including controlled substances, to ineligible staff and spent tens of thousands of dollars more on brand-name drugs than what generic equivalents would have cost, a Pentagon report shows.
The unit, part of the White House Military Office, did not comply with federal government and Department of Defense guidelines, the report
, opens new tab, which was released on Jan. 8, found.

Ineligible staffers received free specialty care and surgery at military medical facilities and were provided with prescription drugs including controlled substances, in violation of federal law, the report also found.


And you have nothing but imagination to go on for Trump's predecessors.
What I have come to know is many times things are not what they seem and that ANY government entity and/or persons are capable of disseminating and or suppressing (withholding) information ... also releasing of information that is non fully accurate (not complete) and in some cases a down right lies. Same with the news media.

Example: Russia Russia Russia ... many on many levels involved in that hoax

Trump was right: 'Russian collusion' was a hoax. Good luck regaining public's trust.

I look at these things with a healthy dose of skepticism and don't apologize with this approach ... especially where politics are involved.
 
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What I have come to know is many times things are not what they seem and that ANY government entity and/or persons are capable of disseminating and or suppressing (withholding) information ... also releasing of information that is non fully accurate (not complete) and in some cases a down right lies. Same with the news media.
I'm always immediately suspicious of "they are all lying!"
Example: Russia Russia Russia ... many on many levels involved in that hoax
It wasn't that hard to expose. Smirnoff, when he was arrested, readily admitted that Russia was feeding him stories that Comer was gullible enough (or dishonest enough) to broadcast for anyone gullible to believe him. This kind of collusion is pretty much a part of MAGA, as Mueller exposed.

Trump's convictions and out-of-court payments for a series of frauds are well-documented. No point in denying them.
 
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You think Bush and Obama are so much smarter than Trump that they managed to cover up drug abuse in their administrations, while the Trump administration got caught? Granted, they may be a lot smarter than Trump, but Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.
I think there are a lot of things that go on in both parties that are unknown and/or not looked into.

Nothing happens until if ... and when actual charges are brought ... so it doesn't matter. It's all speculation/gossip until a case is officially brought. Even then something can be questionable ... there have been people charged and even convicted and found out later they were innocent.

Speculation is used politically a lot of times to rial people up.

IF Trump did indeed commit fraud then why aren't the banks being held responsible as well? It is a banks responsibility to verify information given to them. Why aren't they going after the banks as well?

The lender is responsible for ensuring that the subject property provides adequate collateral for the mortgage/loan.
 
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I'm always immediately suspicious of "they are all lying!"

It wasn't that hard to expose. Smirnoff, when he was arrested, readily admitted that Russia was feeding him stories that Comer was gullible enough (or dishonest enough) to broadcast for anyone gullible to believe him. This kind of collusion is pretty much a part of MAGA, as Mueller exposed.

Trump's convictions and out-of-court payments for a series of frauds are well-documented. No point in denying them.

Please show me the cases of Trump being charged and convicted of fraud before becoming a Presidential candidate?

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/
 
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Please show me the cases of Trump being charged and convicted of fraud before becoming a Presidential candidate?
The Russiagate scandal was about Russian agents trying to affect the 2016 election and those Americans who were helping them. Mueller said that since Justice Department rules prevented him from indicting a sitting president, he couldn't do so. He said that did not clear Trump of criminal responsibility:

Mueller: I did not clear Trump of obstruction of justice

WASHINGTON — Former Trump-Russia special counsel Robert Mueller told lawmakers Wednesday he could not exonerate President Donald Trump of obstruction of justice and that the president’s claims that he had done so in his report are not correct.

Why Mueller said he couldn’t indict Trump, explained

The Justice Department has a long-standing policy that prevents federal prosecutors from charging the president with a crime.

He was ordered by the court to pay back the people he defrauded in his "Trump University" scam, and he was convicted of Tax and Bank Fraud in New York, after it was revealed that he falsified the value of his properties to gain loans and to cheat on his taxes. Both of those happened before he was president, but the latter case only became known recently.

He's a grifter. That's what grifters do.
 
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The suits around Trump U were civil, not criminal, so “charges and convicted” doesn’t exactly apply, but he did defraud people and eventually settle their suits against him.

Appears this was addressed through settlements. Settlements are not unusual and also do not denote fraud or guilt of anything.

Our own government even resolves some things via a settlement ... does that mean they are guilty?

A settlement isn't an admission or proof of guilt, it's an admission that upcoming court costs to attempt proving innocence aren't worth it.

Such as this one .....

JPMorgan to pay $290M to settle lawsuit from Jeffrey Epstein victims
 
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You think Bush and Obama are so much smarter than Trump that they managed to cover up drug abuse in their administrations, while the Trump administration got caught? Granted, they may be a lot smarter than Trump, but Trump is an accomplished grifter who would be much better at hiding such corruption.

I think there are a lot of things that go on in both parties that are unknown and/or not looked into.
I notice that the House republicans have looked through everything but Biden's Boy Scout records, to find something, anything to justify the expense and time they put into trying to find something criminal Biden did. And they've admitted that they found nothing. So there is that. Notice that law enforcement people have found evidence for dozens of felony counts against Trump, as well as several civil cases involving fraud and sexual assault. Ironically, the republicans put the veniality of their cult leader into tighter focus by failing to find anything of substance with Biden.

Speculation is used politically a lot of times to rial people up.
Like the border issue, until it was revealed that Trump ordered the republicans to block Biden's request for more border patrol agents and resources to speed up deportation hearings. Now, they don't want to talk about that.
 
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Appears this was addressed through settlements. Settlements are not unusual and also do not denote fraud or guilt of anything.
"I never settle" - Donald Trump. Until his lawyers made it clear to him that he was going to lose that fraud case, and he paid back all those people he defrauded. Would you like me to show you the details?

Trump was apparently only involved with one of those victims, and he settled out of court. And no, he didn't admit anything. No one is talking about the details.
 
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The Russiagate scandal was about Russian agents trying to affect the 2016 election and those Americans who were helping them. Mueller said that since Justice Department rules prevented him from indicting a sitting president, he couldn't do so. He said that did not clear Trump of criminal responsibility:

Mueller: I did not clear Trump of obstruction of justice

WASHINGTON — Former Trump-Russia special counsel Robert Mueller told lawmakers Wednesday he could not exonerate President Donald Trump of obstruction of justice and that the president’s claims that he had done so in his report are not correct.

Why Mueller said he couldn’t indict Trump, explained

The Justice Department has a long-standing policy that prevents federal prosecutors from charging the president with a crime.

He was ordered by the court to pay back the people he defrauded in his "Trump University" scam, and he was convicted of Tax and Bank Fraud in New York, after it was revealed that he falsified the value of his properties to gain loans and to cheat on his taxes. Both of those happened before he was president, but the latter case only became known recently.

He's a grifter. That's what grifters do.
The judge ordered an amount of the settlement.

Settlements are not proof of guilt or innocence ... they are done to avoid costly court costs ... and they are not unusual.

Heres another example
JPMorgan to pay $290M to settle lawsuit from Jeffrey Epstein victims

Our own government has and does resolved many matters via settlements ... so they are grifters as well then?
 
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And not chasing pills and alcohol."

Trump White House Was Awash in Drugs Because No One Wanted to Be There

i recall reading a report that listed the drugs being dispenses for the white house a few months ago and this story just adds to it all.



As a slight sidebar...do people bring in their own staffers or would the white house generally have mostly their own people? I'd assume mostly the latter

Thoughts on this?
All I do know is Donal Trumps older brother died of alcoholism. He just could not kick the addiction. He loved his older brother....As a result Donald has a very negative view of alcohol seeing what it did to his brother. Therefore I would say this is just more unfair untrue accusations to think Trump has anything to do with this or approved it. Donald Trump never drank as a result of what happened to his brother, who died young. He knows what addictive substances do. I think this is completely infair, but I am not surprised by unfairness with Trump..
 
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"I never settle" - Donald Trump. Until his lawyers made it clear to him that he was going to lose that fraud case, and he paid back all those people he defrauded. Would you like me to show you the details?


Trump was apparently only involved with one of those victims, and he settled out of court. And no, he didn't admit anything. No one is talking about the details.
It doesn't matter what he said .... end game .... there was a settlement ... like it or not that does not denote guilt or innocence ... no matter who you are.

No I don't need details .... I understand what settlements are ... and again ... our own government make settlements.
 
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It doesn't matter what he said .... end game .... there was a settlement

From the conservative National Review:

Yes, Trump University Was a Massive Scam

Many people believe that higher education is a de facto scam. Trump University, Donald Trump’s real-estate institution, was a de jure one.

First thing first, Trump University was never a university. When the “school” was established in 2005, the New York State Education Department warned that it was in violation of state law for operating without a NYSED license. Trump ignored the warnings. (The institution is now called, ahem, “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.”) Cue lawsuits.

Trump University is currently the defendant in three lawsuits — two class-action lawsuits filed in California, and one filed in New York by then-attorney general Eric Schneiderman, who told CNN’s New Day in 2013: “We started looking at Trump University and discovered that it was a classic bait-and-switch scheme. It was a scam, starting with the fact that it was not a university.”

In fact, $20,000 is only a mid-range loss. The lead plaintiff in one of the California suits, yoga instructor Tarla Makaeff, says she was “scammed” out of $60,000 over the course of her time in Trump U.

How could that have happened? The New York suit offers a suggestion:


The free seminars were the first step in a bait and switch to induce prospective students to enroll in increasingly expensive seminars starting with the three-day $1495 seminar and ultimately one of respondents’ advanced seminars such as the “Gold Elite” program costing $35,000.
At the “free” 90-minute introductory seminars to which Trump University advertisements and solicitations invited prospective students, Trump University instructors engaged in a methodical, systematic series of misrepresentations designed to convince students to sign up for the Trump University three-day seminar at a cost of $1495.

The Atlantic, which got hold of a 41-page “Private & Confidential” playbook from Trump U, has attested to the same:

The playbook says almost nothing about the guest speaker presentations, the ostensible reason why people showed up to the seminar in the first place. Instead, the playbook focuses on the seminars’ real purpose: to browbeat attendees into purchasing expensive Trump University course packages.

To do that, instructors touted Trump’s own promises: that students would be “mentored” by “handpicked” real-estate experts, who would use Trump’s own real-estate strategies. Here’s Trump making the pitch himself:
(apparently, this video is now restricted)


Most disturbing was that Trump betrayed the people who trusted him the most. That's been a pattern for his whole adult life. It's what grifters do.
 
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All I do know is Donal Trumps older brother died of alcoholism. He just could not kick the addiction. He loved his older brother....As a result Donald has a very negative view of alcohol seeing what it did to his brother. Therefore I would say this is just more unfair untrue accusations to think Trump has anything to do with this or approved it.
There are all sorts of people discussing how they'd steal papers off his desk so he wouldn't do something stupid, and he'd have forgotten about it the next day. So it's not at all unlikely that this drug culture was going on without his knowledge, Some psychologists have noted that some pretty capable grifters were not very smart, and while they have great social skills and speak convincingly, they aren't very good at reasoning. Trump fits pretty well.
 
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