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You Must Give 10% of Your Gross Income to the Church?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by woobadooba, Sep 21, 2017.

  1. Neostarwcc

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    I've been to a couple of churches that require tithing. I immediately left them because I don't like tithing. You shouldn't be forced to give 10% of your income just because a Pastor says so. I think that Christians should just give what they can afford. If you can afford 10% of your income fine, give that to the church. If you can only afford $5 or even $1 give that. The church appreciates all donations. If a church tells you that you HAVE to give them 10% of your income I'd leave that church. Just my advice and two cents.
     
  2. nonaeroterraqueous

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    If you're just going to whine about it, then don't do it. The tithe of a whiner isn't worth anything, anyway.
     
  3. S.O.J.I.A.

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    you are not required to give 10% of your income. the standard has actually been raised:

    2 Corinthians 9:1-9

    if you're tight-fisted with God He will be tight-fisted with you. it's about exercising our heart of giving towards the LORD and not about meeting a quota.
     
  4. woobadooba

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    It's not about whining, but about being truthful. People who say God commands believers to give 10% of their gross income to the church are not being honest. Even worse, they accuse people who give less than 10% of robbing God. That's manipulation. And you need to study this out and learn the truth, because it sounds like you are caught up in legalism.
     
  5. woobadooba

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    "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver." 2 Corinthians 9:7 (NKJV)

    It is up to the individual (not the church) to decide how much to give and where to give it.
     
  6. S.O.J.I.A.

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    correct..
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2017
  7. Phil 1:21

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    While I understand that churches don't run without donations, I'm more than a little leery of preachers who always seem to interject the discussion into their sermons. I grew up in a church where the homily was all too often nothing more than a 5-minute fund raiser. And sometimes the priest was none too polite about it.
     
  8. woobadooba

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    Not surprising.

    It's hard to be a cheerful giver when you have someone falsely accusing you of robbing God because you don't give what they demand.
     
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  9. Phil 1:21

    Phil 1:21 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. I remember my mother throwing those donation envelopes in the trash the minute they showed up at the door. She said it was none of the church's business how much we did or did not donate, especially when the church made a habit out of publishing people's names and dollar amounts.

    The church my family and I attend is far different than the one in which I grew up. But to this day all my donations are cash in the basket during service -- completely anonymous. I never donate by check or online.
     
  10. 2Timothy2:15

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    The tithe lie is one of the biggest scams going today in the church. Pastors that push tithing are only generating money flow to justify their salaries. I always ask Pastors, show me in the bible where Jesus tithed or any of the disciples or apostles tithed......still waiting for an answer.
     
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  11. 2Timothy2:15

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    These corrupt and greedy pastors are building their own kingdoms, not Gods. The old I have a vision and you must follow it is another false teaching used to manipulate people. It is the Lord's vision and there is no where in the bible where it says follow the pastors vision.
     
  12. 2Timothy2:15

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    I hope you left that church.
     
  13. 2Timothy2:15

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    Show me where Jesus tithed or any of the disciples or apostles ever tithed.
     
  14. woobadooba

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    Not all are corrupt and greedy. Some really believe God requires people to give 10% of their gross income to the church. The reason why some are caught up in this false belief is because they are not interpreting the Scriptures correctly. They need to be taught how to do proper Exegesis. Unfortunately, not all are humble enough to receive correction.
     
  15. JacksBratt

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    I have heard this argued and argued... I can see points for both views.. Tithe or not to Tithe.

    As for me... I tithe and I give above and beyond... My tithe goes to the church that I attend. My above and beyond go to CF, Heart and stroke, other fund raising charities that are not "God's work".
    I figure this is the only way that we can pay for a minister, a youth ministry, lights, heat, A/C, the whole operation. It costs money... so I tithe..... 10 %....

    I could care less about the legal aspects of it.

    I do know this..... It baffles my mind..... BUT... If I tithe...my finances work out much better.

    Someone asked my father how he could afford to Tithe... He said "I cannot afford not to"..

    This has been my observation as well.

    He worked a factory job... was the only bread winner until we were in our teens, put us through all the sports and we had enough toys to get into all the trouble other kids did....

    He built a house and paid it off before I was out of the house...and it is now worth close to 1,000,000.00.

    He retired and has traveled and has enjoyed a very nice standard of living.

    He is healthy and turned 90 years old today... still golfs, drives and curls......

    You cannot out give God..
     
  16. Phil 1:21

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    Prosperity gospel heresy, nothing more. It truly troubles me how many "preachers" preach from something other than the Bible. I fell asleep one evening watching a sermon on television (good preacher, by the way), and when I woke up I saw some program with "testimonials" about how so-n-so gave x-amount to this ministry and was blessed with a mysterious deposit in their bank account from God.

    Scripture tells us how God will deal with such "preachers" and it's not pretty.
     
  17. RDKirk

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    And very specifically, they were told to use their money to buy food and then tithe the food.
     
  18. RDKirk

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    Actually, it's defined in the 8th chapter.

    The standard for the Body of Christ mandated in scripture is economic equality. The specific OT reference Paul gives is God commanding that even though some will collect much and some will collect little, it should be measured out so that all have exactly the same amount.
     
  19. RDKirk

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    The problem is, "You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means."

    God explicitly defined "tithe" in great detail in the Mosaic Covenant After He defined it in the Mosaic Covenant, He never redefined it, nor did anyone in the NT use it in any other way to mean anything else.

    That word cannot be used legitimately for any other practice. In fact, Jews don't even use the word "tithe" because they can't do it the way God commanded, therefore they don't claim to do it at all. They do other things, such as a "fairness offering," but they don't call it "tithing."
     
  20. dqhall

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    During the time of Jesus before the temple was destroyed c. 70 AD, Jewish priests went to the threshing floors or sent agents to the threshing floors at the time of the grain harvest to make sure they got their 10% of the sifted grain. Chief priests sometimes disenfranchised lower priests and took their 10% too. (Jerusalem in the Time of Jesus, Jeremias Joachim - based on Talmudic studies)

    Some rabbis were not priests. They were not legally entitled to take 10%, they had to supplement their income by doing labor or maintaining small businesses. Some Jews met in house synagogues, hotel rooms, small meeting halls, etc.

    I figured it would be cheaper to buy Christian study materials than to give a church 10%. When I gave $40 or $50 and the sermon was not good, the people were not friendly and the money I gave was not enough, I left. Being part of a good congregation can be good for a person's health. Some have to go without.
     
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