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The closest the Bible ever comes to discussing abortion is when it says that the penalty for causing a miscarriage shall be a fine, IF the father demands it, as opposed to murder, which is a capital crime.

Seems pretty clear the Biblical authoprs did not consider abortion comparable to murder

They didn't consider it concievable.

Yet as the above post shows that in books considered for and used as scripture before the official canon in the 5th century by the Church (who condemns abortion and always has) did mention it even in the first century and thats more than noteworthy.

I guess you will have to learn the hard way. I would spare you that and be as I am, but alas if you will not I will pray and hope it doesn't effect you your whole life or cause you to kill your own child.


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Here's what the National Catholic Reporter says about the USCCB's statement:

While placing a strong accent on the primacy of opposing such absolute moral evils as abortion and racism, the document also acknowledges that in some cases, Catholics could in good conscience vote for pro-choice candidates if “truly grave reasons” exist for doing so.
“In the end this is a decision to be made by each individual Catholic guided by a conscience formed by Catholic moral teaching,” the document states.
http://ncrcafe.org/node/1439

I think that the USCCB has a difficult balancing act to achieve. In the first place, if Catholics are told that they are only allowed to vote for certain candidates, the Church's tax exempt status would be at stake.

But, even more importantly, every time the Church tells Catholics they have to vote for "pro-life" (and, as usual, I use that term with more than a bit of cynicism) candidates, they are giving those candidates a free ride.

"Starve the widows and orphans!"
"Nuke the Middle East!"
"Pollute the earth!"
"Abolish the minimum wage!"
"Torture the terrorists--and those illegal immigrants, too!"

And, sad to say, there are too many "pro-life" candidates who would look at a blanket episcopal endorsement (and especially an episcopal mandate) as a free ride to participate in even more domestic and foreign policy devilment than they already have up their sleeves.

Can Catholics, as a group, really wear signs on their butts that tell Republicans (aka "pro-life" candidates) "Kick me! I'll vote for you anyway?"

And that is why I believe that no matter how much the bishops try to cajole Catholics into voting for allegedly "pro-life" candidates, they realize that they can't trust these candidates any further than they can throw them, and if ever a group of candidates need to be held accountable, these ones need to.

In short:

Politicians who know that they can ALWAYS count on the votes of a certain bloc will do as little as they need to, and not a bit more, to maintain that loyalty. If you don't believe this, ask black voters who feel that the Democrats have strung them along with empty promises for years.....

Right now, the Republicans aren't motivated to do too much about abortion, because they know that if it's a sure-fire vote getter, they have to tinker with it and tinker with it without settling the issue and risking losing those voters.

I have said this a hundred times, and I'll say it once more:

REPUBLICANS, HOLD YOUR CANDIDATES ACCOUNTABLE. Don't let them get away with a "pro-life" stance that applies only to fetuses. For goodness sakes, push them to do better.

Similarly, Democrats should hold their candidates accountable. Democrats who vote for pro-choice candidates should write them regularly and encourage them to support the seamless garment of life.
 
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The closest the Bible ever comes to discussing abortion is when it says that the penalty for causing a miscarriage shall be a fine, IF the father demands it, as opposed to murder, which is a capital crime.

Seems pretty clear the Biblical authoprs did not consider abortion comparable to murder

Actually, I think Jesus comes closer to it when he refers to hell as Gehenna, the valley southwest of Jerusalem where the harlots went to get their abortions.
 
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Just like the Catholic Church. I would not refer to Jesus as unbiased either.

Catholic seeks unbiased opinion outside the Church.

Where is the faith ?
And this isn't a response to Jesus.
Its a response to biased websites.
 
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Neither of those are what I'd call particularly unbiased.

How so? silentnomore is all from people who thought abortion was ok but found out the hard way it was a big mistake. They totally care about and understand your concerns. Of course they work for healing for the harm done to women and prevention of abortions but not by preaching fire and brimstone, they also offer viable alternatives to abortion.

Here are some more where you may find more objectivity:

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/ For healing

http://www.sehlat.com/lifelink.html a litany of links

http://priestsforlife.org/plgroups/prolifegroups.html another link mine.


Peace and God bless.
 
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They are responses to pro-life websites. Would you prefer he linked you to Planned Parenthood instead of Priestforlife ?
No.
But something such as BBC or even Wikipedia would've been a lot more preferable. Because it isn't promoting one viewpoint of abortion.
 
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How so? silentnomore is all from people who thought abortion was ok but found out the hard way it was a big mistake. They totally care about and understand your concerns. Of course they work for healing for the harm done to women and prevention of abortions but not by preaching fire and brimstone, they also offer viable alternatives to abortion.

Here are some more where you may find more objectivity:

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/ For healing

http://www.sehlat.com/lifelink.html a litany of links

http://priestsforlife.org/plgroups/prolifegroups.html another link mine.


Peace and God bless.
Well, I've responded.
Why post all pro-life websites? I know what the pro-life view is.
 
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How so? silentnomore is all from people who thought abortion was ok but found out the hard way it was a big mistake. They totally care about and understand your concerns. Of course they work for healing for the harm done to women and prevention of abortions but not by preaching fire and brimstone, they also offer viable alternatives to abortion.

Here are some more where you may find more objectivity:

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/ For healing

http://www.sehlat.com/lifelink.html a litany of links

http://priestsforlife.org/plgroups/prolifegroups.html another link mine.


Peace and God bless.
visit teengravity.
 
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Are you claiming the baby does not die in an abortion ?
No your assertion that 50% of the woman die


I asked you to back that up


The same source can also quote two stories of women who did not die from being aborted
 
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No you can't. The baby dies.
Not talking about abortion thats pretty much a no brainer. I was walking about bafriends assertion that 50% of women who have an abortion die.

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=43395945&postcount=70




That said, I can quote two testimonies of women who didnt die, and one woman was almost aborted three times


going away to look up those testimonies now though, I thought they were pretty darn amazing
 
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No your assertion that 50% of the woman die


I asked you to back that up


The same source can also quote two stories of women who did not die from being aborted
He didn't say women, he said patients. As in two people go into the room, one comes out.
 
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Amy

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Rebekkah

And some more


I think these are powerful and all advocates of abortion should read them, especially Amys story

So on reflection bafriend was wrong on both counts. Not all aborted babies die
 
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He didn't say women, he said patients. As in two people go into the room, one comes out.
Opps my bad


That said, hes still wrong on that account. Not all aborted babies die, read the testimonies in the above post


Ok, so I'm having a female moment and need to be right on one account^_^
 
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