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Yet Another False Accusation!!!!!

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Notrash

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BW denies the prophecy of the new covt of deut 30:6-15 and dan 9:27 and then seeks to present 'facts' which are only "unfulfilled" from the point of view of his futurist literal, readings and national renderings; not from the point of view of the original reader, heare or speaker (God)

I don't have time for such 'these were never fuðfilled' objectiins. Change the hermeneutic, heart & spirit & then the understanding will be clear.


Notrash has accused me of not being willing to face the facts, and of trying to dance around irrefutable logic.

But here are the hard facts of the case:

1. The attack by “the Assyrian,” mentioned in Micah 5 and Isaiah 10, among other places, never happened. When the ancient Assyrians invaded Judea, they did not follow the path defined in Isaiah 10:28-32. And Israel has never made the counter-attack described in Micah 5.

2. The gathering of all Israel after the Lord has come “with fire And with His chariots, like a whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire,” as specified in Isaiah 66:15-20, has never taken place.

3. The purging out of all the rebels by the Lord Himself, so that they are brought “out of the country where they dwell,” but not being allowed to “enter the land of Israel,” as described in Ezekiel 20:38, has never taken place.

4. “The mountains of Israel,” with “the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken,” (Ezekiel 36:4) have never again been inhabited by “all the house of Israel, all of it,” as explicitly stated in Ezekiel 36:10.

5. A leader from “the land of Magog,” who is a ruler of “Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal,” has never attacked Israel accompanied by Persia, Ethiopia, Lybia, all the troops of Gomer, and the house of Togarmah, as explicitly stated in Ezekiel 38:2-8.

6. The land of Israel has never had the borders precisely defined in Ezekiel 47:15-20.

7. The land of Israel has never been divided among the twelve tribes in the way specified in Ezekiel 48:1-8 and 23-28.

There is no way to even pretend that even one of these seven things have ever happened. And these are but a few of very many such examples that can be given.

No amount of reasoning, no twists of language, and no doctrine built upon pure speculation can avoid or dance around these facts, for they are beyond dispute.
 
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BW denies the prophecy of the new covt of deut 30:6-15 and dan 9:27 and then seeks to present 'facts' which are only "unfulfilled" from the point of view of his futurist literal, readings and national renderings; not from the point of view of the original reader, heare or speaker (God)

I don't have time for such 'these were never fuðfilled' objectiins. Change the hermeneutic, heart & spirit & then the understanding will be clear.
Well...it's typical dispensational eschatology.

You really have to contort the scriptures for "the Assyrian" to be a future thing. All you need do is read Micah's opening to his prophecy...Micah 1:1:
The word of the Lord which came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.
From what Micah has just said, as well as who he said his prophecy concerns, to go then and say this is a future event when Assyria dispersed Samaria, and Judah is going into captivity...is just bad exegesis...BAD!

BW and I have gone around about Assyria in Isaiah 10 even though its very clear Isaiah is speking of the things that happened in 2 Kings 15-17. Isaiah even talks about it in Isaiah 8:7:
7 “Now therefore, behold, the Lord is about to bring on them the strong and abundant waters of the Euphrates, Even the king of Assyria and all his glory; And it will rise up over all its channels and go over all its banks.

You can't miss the language of what's going on! Assyria is the instrument of God's judgment in the entire region!
 
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Well...it's typical dispensational eschatology.

You really have to contort the scriptures for "the Assyrian" to be a future thing. All you need do is read Micah's opening to his prophecy...Micah 1:1:
The word of the Lord which came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem.
From what Micah has just said, as well as who he said his prophecy concerns, to go then and say this is a future event when Assyria dispersed Samaria, and Judah is going into captivity...is just bad exegesis...BAD!

Agreed, thanks for the support.
 
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Interesting and telling where they spend all their energy isn't it.

This from the guy calling for the wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of todays Jews....
With Friends like that, Modern Israel needs no enemies!
 
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This from the guy calling for the wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of todays Jews....

You mean what the scriptures actually speak of? Two thirds being cut off and the rest being taken through the fire?

Why is not surprising that you hate the simple truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the end?

Telling indeed.

Anything but the simple Gods honest truth for those who hate the truth.
 
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This from the guy calling for the wholesale slaughter of 2/3 of todays Jews....
With Friends like that, Israel needs no enemies!

This from 1 of 2 guys who just joined this winter and who spend most their time in prophecy forums with a specific bent towards interpreting prophecy (and rom 11& others) to favor some sort if national Israel (whatever that is); WARS, and against fulfiled views and the Gospel of Peace.

I wonder who is lising ground to the gospel of Peace?
 
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You mean what the scriptures actually speak of? Two thirds being cut off and the rest being taken through the fire?

You mean what happened to them in 70AD?
No need for a repeat.... Only a true Jew hater would call for them to be punished like that again.

Why is not surprising that you hate the simple truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the end?
Rather, I affirm it.

King Jesus of Israel delivered His JEWISH Followers, the prophesied remnant, in the time of the end almost 2000 years ago.
 
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You mean what happened to them in 70AD?
No need for a repeat.... Only a true Jew hater would call for them to be punished like that again.

Rather, I affirm it.

King Jesus of Israel delivered His JEWISH Followers, the prophesied remnant, in the time of the end almost 2000 years ago.

You keep telling yourself that as you rail against the simple truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the end.
 
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You keep telling yourself that as you rail against the simple truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the end.

Keep telling yourself you are an Israel Supporter as you simultaneously call for the majority of them to be horrifically slaughtered sometime in the near future...

I'm certain they see right through that kind of "support" for what it really is...
 
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Keep telling yourself you are an Israel Supporter as you simultaneously call for the majority of them to be horrifically slaughtered sometime in the near future...

I'm certain they see right through that kind of "support" for what it really is...

I know, like it's not ridiculously obvious why you trolls are here.

Duped into the nonsense of believing that Christ came in 70AD..

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious.
 
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I'm not the one railing against the truth.. That would be you and the rest of the truth haters around here.

Haters of the truth, haters of Israel, haters of Christ..

Simple as that.
Old Timer...I'm not going to do this with you. You think you have it right, so only two words are in order..."WATCH" and "WAIT".

The one thing I know is the Lord will return...the one thing I wonder about is in eternity, will we be able to talk about these things after we have been changed or resurrected?

I really think not since we know "the first things will have passed away.

So I guess you'll have to eat crow before Jesus...:thumbsup:
 
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Old Timer...I'm not going to do this with you. You think you have it right, so only two words are in order..."WATCH" and "WAIT".

The one thing I know is the Lord will return...thoe one thing I wonder about is in eternity, will we be able to talk about these things after we have been changed or resurrected.

I really think since we know "the first things will have passed away.

So I guess you'll have to eat crow before Jesus...:thumbsup:

And you keep on hating the truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the he end. That should go over well before The Lord.
 
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And you keep on hating the truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the he end. That should go over well before The Lord.
That's your invention and thinking Old Timer. I don't have a hatred for anyone.

I understand the Israel of God is Jews and Gentiles saved by the blood of the Lamb, who put to death the enmity between Jews and Gentiles.

I know I'm part of a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession,

So you carry on thinking you have it right...THE DAY will decide it. Jesus will descend with a shout, rapture the living, resurrect the dead...and you will be dumbfounded.
 
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