YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[Stryder06]

I believe that also. I think it will come upon us shortly, then the end days will happen rapidly, and this world as we know it will spin out of control, and the world will grab the first messiah that appears in hopes of fixing the problem. It will be the grand resisto before the Real Messiah stands up.

 

[Doveaman]

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass that afrom one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me says the Lord

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones and they sat on them, and judgement was commited to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had be beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had no worshiped the beast of his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they loved and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The bible clearly shows that time will pass by. It will not hold the same meaning to us as it does now because we will be immortal, but it will still go on.

Maybe it has already taken on that new meaning in Christ. Did you ever thought of that?

This is why we speak of the Sabbath rest being in Christ. In Him it has already taken on that new meaning. And we Christians are to observe it today according to that new meaning, a meaning that is according to the Spirit, and not according to the letter.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT=&quot]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]

 

[Doveaman]

True and that is in its application on the heart instead of stone.

The mistake that many make is that they think that the letter of the law that was physically written on stone is the same letter of the law that is now being spiritually written on our hearts.

But the truth is, there is no letter of the law being written on anyone's heart. There is only a Spirit-Being living in our hearts. And it is that Spirit-Being we obey, not the letter.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT=&quot]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]

 

[Doveaman]

I believe that also. I think it will come upon us shortly, then the end days will happen rapidly, and this world as we know it will spin out of control, and the world will grab the first messiah that appears in hopes of fixing the problem. It will be the grand resisto before the Real Messiah stands up.

There were many before you who believed that also, but He never showed up in there lifetime. You also probably thought He might have showed up sooner, but He never did.

One valuable lesson we can learn from all this is that He never shows up when we think He will.

 

[BrightCandle]

Jesus said to keep His commandments, so yes, they still apply.

Amen!! Somebody sees the truth! PTL!!

 

[BrightCandle]

The mistake that many make is that they think that the letter of the law that was physically written on stone is the same letter of the law that is now being spiritually written on our hearts.

But the truth is, there is no letter of the law being written on anyone's heart. There is only a Spirit-Being living in our hearts. And it is that Spirit-Being we obey, not the letter.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT=&quot]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. [/FONT]

Did you hear what you just said? Are you a Free Mason or a New Age disciple? Satan has many deceiving spirits that could dwell in your heart. How do you tell who is who? If you applied the principle that you are proposing every kind of evil could be justified by your own subjective feeling. That is why God gave 10 definitive moral laws. Without moral law we have anarchy, ancient and modern history prove this.

 

[Doveaman]

Jesus said to keep His commandments, so yes, they still apply.

Yes, but He didn't say "Ten", nor did He say how many.

 

[Doveaman]

Did you hear what you just said?

Did you?

Are you a Free Mason or a New Age disciple? Satan has many deceiving spirits that could dwell in your heart.

I don't know why you would say that.

How do you tell who is who?

By the spirit of the law, not by the letter. The letter kills.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...2 Cor 3:6.

If you applied the principle that you are proposing every kind of evil could be justified by your own subjective feeling.

There are no subjective feelings involved here.

Such a claim is a result of your lack of understanding the Spirit of the law.

That is why God gave 10 definitive moral laws. Without moral law we have anarchy, ancient and modern history prove this.

Even with "moral law" there is still "anarchy, ancient and modern history prove this."

The "moral law" don't seem to be working. Ancient Israel had this "moral law". What good did it do for them? NONE.

Maybe what is needed is a new law, a better law, the Spirit of the law, and not the letter of the law.

The law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless...1 Tim 1:9.

If you are a lawless man then the law is for you, but if you are a righteous man it is not for you.

 

[Doveaman]

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."

He answered...Haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?...Matt 12:1-5.

Christ here tells us that the old Levitical Priesthood who worked in the old physical Temple of Jerusalem was allowed by God to desecrate or violate the physical Sabbath rest and still be considered ‘innocent’.

This was because the physical Temple of Jerusalem and the work performed in that Temple everyday by the old Levitical Priesthood was far more superior and far more important than the physical Sabbath rest.

This is why the old Levitical Priesthood doing the Temple work was permitted to desecrate or violate the physical Sabbath rest so as to continue that Temple work everyday and still be considered ‘innocent’.

Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple...you are that temple...your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit...For we are the temple of the living God...1 Cor 3:16-17, 1 Cor 6:19, 2 Cor 6:16.

We Christians, individually as well as collectively, are now the New Spiritual Temple of the Living God.

You...are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood...you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood...1 Peter 2:5, 9.

We Christians are also now the New Spiritual Levitical Priesthood doing God’s spiritual work everyday in God’s New Spiritual Temple of our bodies.

We as the New Levitical Priesthood doing God’s spiritual work everyday in God’s New Spiritual Temple of our bodies are far more superior and far more important than the old Levitical Priesthood who were doing physical work in the old physical Temple.

Now, if the old Levitical Priesthood who were doing physical Temple work was allowed by God to desecrate or violate the physical Sabbath rest so as to continue to do that work everyday and still be considered innocent, how mush more we, the New Levitical Priesthood, are allowed to desecrate or violate the physical Sabbath rest and still be considered innocent as well in order to continue everyday to perform a far more superior and a far more important work than the work done by the old Levitical Priesthood.

God’s spiritual work that we the New Levitical Priesthood perform everyday in the New Spiritual Temple of our bodies is far more superior and far more important than the physical Sabbath rest.

This superior standing permits us to desecrate or violate that physical Sabbath rest, even as the old Levitical Priesthood were permitted, and still be considered by God to be ‘innocent’ in order to continue to perform His spiritual work everyday in His New Spiritual Temple of our bodies.

Haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one greater than the temple is here...The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath...Matt 12:5-6, Luke 6:5.

Jesus is Lord of the physical Sabbath rest. He is also the New Spiritual Temple of the Living God.

Jesus answered..."Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."...the temple he had spoken of was his body...John 2:19-21.

Jesus as the New Spiritual Temple of the Living God is superior to the physical Sabbath rest, even as the old physical Temple was superior to that same rest.

When we as Christians become baptized into Christ through faith we become spiritually one with Him, and in Him and through Him we become God’s New Spiritual Temple with Him. By virtue of this spiritual oneness, we Christians in Him become superior through Him to the physical Sabbath rest.

In Him and through Him and beside Him and under Him we as Christians also become ‘lords’ of the physical Sabbath rest.

This is the kind of superior freedom we as Christians have in HIM.

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his ways beyond tracing out! "For who has known the mind of the Lord?" But we have the mind of Christ...Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus...For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever!...Rom 11:33-34, 1 Cor 2:16, Phil 2:5, Rom 11:36.

As Christians, we have the spiritual ‘Mind’ of Christ, and our lives are to be governed by the Spiritual Intent of that ‘Mind’, and not governed by a written letter of ‘Ten Commandments’.

 

[cyberlizard]

i think one of the biggest failings of this thread is a problem concerning eschatology.

for me there will be a messianic age, when Messiah will rule for a thousand years from Jerusalem.... then there will be the age to come.

As to the Sabbath.... the earthly Sabbath finds its validity in the heavenly one. The latter can exist alone, but the former is a high quality shadow, and the term shadow is not meant to be understood as derogatory as even the shadow on earth was established by God.

I like the comment Paul makes concerning festivals (including sabbath)... they are shadows of things that are to come.... future.

until everything pertaining to this present age comes to an end... sabbath goes on. It is a foretaste of the coming powers/age. The rabbis indicate the earthly Sabbath is valued at 1/60 of the heavenly one.

As to the previous post... consider this... the penalty for murder under Torah>death. The penalty for adultery under Torah>death. The penalty for breaking the sabbath>death. God views the Sabbath as a matter of life and death. The fact some broke it does not give us the right to break it even more. This is the most pervsere argument I have ever heard.



Steve

 

[Doveaman]

i think one of the biggest failings of this thread is a problem concerning eschatology.

for me there will be a messianic age, when Messiah will rule for a thousand years from Jerusalem.... then there will be the age to come.

As to the Sabbath.... the earthly Sabbath finds its validity in the heavenly one. The latter can exist alone, but the former is a high quality shadow, and the term shadow is not meant to be understood as derogatory as even the shadow on earth was established by God.

I like the comment Paul makes concerning festivals (including sabbath)... they are shadows of things that are to come.... future.

until everything pertaining to this present age comes to an end... sabbath goes on. It is a foretaste of the coming powers/age. The rabbis indicate the earthly Sabbath is valued at 1/60 of the heavenly one.

As to the previous post... consider this... the penalty for murder under Torah>death. The penalty for adultery under Torah>death. The penalty for breaking the sabbath>death. God views the Sabbath as a matter of life and death. The fact some broke it does not give us the right to break it even more. This is the most pervsere argument I have ever heard.

For since...the world through its own wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe...we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles...For the foolishness of God is wiser than man...1 Cor 1:21-25.

Rev 1:8...“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Christ is the “Beginning and the End”. These are what HE IS. All the realities of God from ‘Beginning’ to ‘End’ exist in Christ. When we enter into Christ through faith we experience all these realities in Him from ‘Beginning’ to ‘End’.

God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus...Eph 2:6.

We are seated in heaven with Christ even as we speak here on earth.

Sounds perverse and foolish, doesn't it?

 

[visionary]

For since...the world through its own wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe...we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles...For the foolishness of God is wiser than man...1 Cor 1:21-25.

Rev 1:8...“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Christ is the “Beginning and the End”. These are what HE IS. All the realities of God from ‘Beginning’ to ‘End’ exist in Christ. When we enter into Christ through faith we experience all these realities in Him from ‘Beginning’ to ‘End’.

God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus...Eph 2:6.

We are in heaven with Christ even as we speak here on earth.

Sounds perverse and foolish, doesn't it?

While the spiritual entity that you speak of is true of those in Yeshua, the reality still is real here on earth. So until the spiritual realms of the heavenly experience are the same as the reality realms we must live in and experience, you should not delude yourself into thinking that you are in heaven here on earth.

 

[Doveaman]

I really don't see your logic here. You're trying to say that sin can exist without the law, when the bible specifically tells us that sin is the transgression of the law.

Yes, but there is the letter of the law, and there is the Spirit or intent of the law.

Sin for a Christian is the transgression of the intent, not of the letter.

Before the law was given, sin was in the world...Rom 5:13.

This is because before the letter was given, the intent was in the world.

Sin was in the world before the letter was given because the intent was already in the world, and sin was and is the transgression of that intent, even apart from the letter that was later given through Moses.

The letter was packaged in the form of Ten Commandments, but the intent is spiritual, and, therefore, cannot be packaged in any form except the bodily form of Christ.

Line upon line, precept upon precept. The bible tells us that Abraham kept the commandments of God. That alone is evidence that the commandments of God were passed down by word of mouth.

SDAs have a very bad habit of concluding that every where they see the word “commandments” they assume it is referring to the ‘Ten’.

Such assumptions will often lead to a complete misunderstanding of what is actually being said.

I would encourage you to try to break that bad habit. It is not good for you.

All that God commands is a commandment.

When God told Abraham to leave his home and go to Canaan, Abraham obeyed God’s commandment.

When God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, Abraham obeyed God’s commandment.

When God told Abraham to send away Hagar and her son, Abraham obeyed God’s commandment.

Yes, Abraham obeyed all of God’s commandments, but no where in all scriptures do we see Abraham obeying the Ten Commandments. And this was because the Ten Commandment law was given through Moses over 430 years later.

The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed…meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God…For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise...Gal 3:16-18.

You say that the christian can sin unintnetionally and not be held accountable? This is only true because once they sin, they must repent of that sin and ask forgiveness.

It is true that Christians must repent of their sins, even of those that were unintentional, and ask forgiveness, but under grace we are already forgiven even before we ask forgiveness. God does not hold sin against His children.

A Christian’s repentance is not a condition for forgiveness. A Christian is forgiven even before he repents. The prodigal son was forgiven by his father even before he returned. Complete forgiveness was accomplished at the cross and is freely available to all. It’s just left to us now to accept it.

Repentance is an expression of acceptance, not a condition for forgiveness.

Our heavenly Father yearns for us to return in repentance because He has already forgiven us. This is what it means to be under grace; we freely receive what we don’t deserve. In Christ there is only forgiveness. Under law there is only condemnation.

Under law there is no forgiveness because the Ten Commandment law kills.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter…for the letter kills…the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...2 Cor 3:6-7.

The Ten Commandment law "which was engraved in letters on stone" kills, it brings death.

Under this Ten Commandment law which was "engraved in letters on stone", our transgressions and sins are taken into account; we are convicted by this law of our sins and we are condemned by this law for our sins.

This is why "all who rely on observing the law are under a curse..."Gal 3:10. They are under the “curse” of the law’s conviction and the “curse” of the law’s condemnation.

A Christian, on the other hand, who is under grace, and who does not rely on observing any Ten Commandment law, is under no such “curse”.

For a Christian there is no Ten Commandment law to convict him or condemn him for his sins, “for where there is no law there is no transgression...sin is not taken into account when there is no law”...Rom 4:15, 5:13.

This does not mean that Christians do not sin, we do. What it means is that God does not hold us accountable for our sins. This is because under grace “where sin abounded, grace abounded much more”…Rom 5:20.

Your arguements here are based on a gross misunderstanding to what the bible teaches us about the law. Paul says that the law is holy and just and good. If this is the case than He is obviously not trying to teach that a holy just and good law no longer applies.

I think it is your understanding that is gross.

Another bad habit of SDAs is that they form many false assumptions based on what they read.

You are of the view that because the law is ‘good’ we therefore should observe it, but this is not what Paul meant. Such a view is based on a gross misunderstanding.

Prison is good, but it’s good for the lawless, not for the righteous.

Being stoned to death is good, but it’s good for the lawless, not for the righteous.

The law of Ten Commandments is good, but it’s good for the lawless, not for the righteous.

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless...1 Tim 1:8-9.

So, yes, it is good, but it’s not good for a righteous man, it is only good for the lawless.

Paul understood this very well.

Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good...Rom 7:9-12.

The goodness of the law lies in its ability to make lawless men aware of their lawlessness and to keep lawless men under control, putting them to death as a deterrent if necessary so they wouldn’t make a mess of God’s beautiful creation.

Righteous men who are led by God’s Spirit, and who produces the fruits of it, make no such mess. Therefore, the law does not apply to them.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such there is no law...Gal 5:22-23.

Try thinking of it like this. In our country, or whatever country you are from, you have a set of laws that you must obey. As long as you walk in accordance with the laws of the land you are not under the penalty for breaking that law. But once you break the law of the land, you are held accountable for that, you are now under the penalty for breaking that law.

It's the same thing with God's law. We as christians, as long as we walk in accordance with the law, are not under its penalty, but once we break it, we are under it's penalty, but because of the Grace of God all we have to do is ask for forgiveness in Jesus' name and it is granted us. At that point we move forward and are no longer under its penalty.

It is very unfortunate and sad that many professing Christians do not understand and fully appreciate the grace of God.

One moment they are under the death penalty of the law, the next moment they are not, and they live their whole Christian lives back and forth and in and out of the death penalty of the law.

Your analogy applies to a country governed by law. The country we Christians live in, however, is a country governed by grace, so your analogy does not fit.

In a country governed by grace there is no amount of sin that can bring us under the death penalty of law, because there is no law to condemn us.

The Law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord…

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do...God did by sending his own Son...Rom 5:20-21, 8:1-3.

Your ideas deny the true power of Christ death on our behalf.

Christ’ death delivered us completely from the death penalty and any other penalty of the law.

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse…Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us…Gal 3:10-13.

In Christ, the law’s penalty has now place in our lives. In Christ, there is no death penalty of the law.

You are pouring new wine into old wineskins, and this is why your ideas are so full of holes, and the new wine is being wasted through the holes of your ruined ideas.

You say that the SDA's are afraid of complex arguements. For one we are to avoid arguements as the bible admonishes. Unfortunately I believe that we get caught up trying to do the work of the Holy Spirit by convicting people ourselves. You really should study what law Paul is talking about in regards to being nailed to the cross. He is speficifally talking about the law of Moses, not the 10 commandments. There is a difference.
By your logic an adulturer, as long as he/she says they are christian, has no need to stop their sinful ways because the law no longer applies to them.

This is not what the bible teaches.

The Ten Commandments was the law of Moses.

An argument can be defined as an oral disagreement or verbal opposition; a discussion involving differing points of view.

Some arguments are violent, but not all arguments are bad; there is a place for such arguments. We see it throughout scriptures. Christ argued.

Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders...Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?...Matt 15:1-3.

Another problem I find with SDA's reasoning is that they seem to think that if the Ten Commandments is removed that there is nothing else to obey, so we can do anything we feel like.

Again, this line of reasoning is a result of not fully understanding God’s grace.

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It (or He) teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age...Titus 2:11-12.

Christians are taught by the grace of God that has appeared to all men, and not by law.

The grace of God that has appeared to all men is Christ. He “teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.”

Our teacher is Christ, the grace of God, and not law.

Nowhere does Christ teach us to keep the law of Ten Commandments, because this is pouring new wine into old wineskins.

 

[visionary]

In vain do they worship.. why because..

Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Your new wine of "intent" must be based on the letter of the law or your foundation is on the doctrines and commandments of men.

 

[Doveaman]

In vain do they worship.. why because..

Mark 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Your new wine of "intent" must be based on the letter of the law or your foundation is on the doctrines and commandments of men.

My new wine is Christ, the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments is the Old Covenant.

Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant— the Ten Commandments...Ex 34:28.

 

[Doveaman]

While the spiritual entity that you speak of is true of those in Yeshua, the reality still is real here on earth. So until the spiritual realms of the heavenly experience are the same as the reality realms we must live in and experience, you should not delude yourself into thinking that you are in heaven here on earth.

I have no such delusion.

However, our physical experiences here on earth are a shadow.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ...Col 2:16-17.

The reality is found only in Christ where the Christian presently is through faith.

Do not underestimate the power of faith.

With faith all things are possible.

I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there" and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you...Matt 17:20.

 

[RND]

My new wine is Christ, the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments is the Old Covenant.

New wine = grape juice.

Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he (The Lord) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant— the Ten Commandments...Ex 34:28.

Where did you get the notion that Moses chiseled out the words on the tablets? You do understand the context right?

Exd 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

One would have to be seriously disconnected from the reality of scripture to make such a poorly thought out assertion.

 

[RND]

With faith all things are possible.

And that would include faithfully believing a lie.....

 

[Doveaman]

Moses was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he (The Lord) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant— the Ten Commandments...Ex 34:28.

Where did you get the notion that Moses chiseled out the words on the tablets? You do understand the context right?

Exd 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

One would have to be seriously disconnected from the reality of scripture to make such a poorly thought out assertion.

No one is denying God wrote it. You completely missed the point.

The point I am making is that the ‘Ten Commandments’ is the words, or letter, of the covenant God gave the people through Moses. There is no denying that. It is written right there in red, underlined.

This ‘Covenant’ we now know as the ‘Old Covenant’, ‘Old’ because we are now under a ‘New Covenant’, a ‘New Covenant’ that is based on a living faith in the Spirit of Christ, and not based on obedience to the letter of Ten Commandments given through Moses.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT=&quot]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT=&quot].

[/FONT]You can deny this, but you cannot change it. It is what it is, and that's the 'Truth'.

It cannot be any clearer.

 

[RND]

No one is denying God wrote it. You completely missed the point.

The point I am making is that the ‘Ten Commandments’ is the words, or letter, of the covenant God gave the people through Moses. There is no denying that. It is written right there in red, underlined.

You have a serious misunderstanding Brother.....

The scripture isn't saying anything about Moses writing the Ten Commandments in a book. It says, as plainly as anyone can see that the "words of the covenant" are the Ten Commandments.

The NIV says it this way: Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

This ‘Covenant’ we now know as the ‘Old Covenant’, ‘Old’ because we are now under a ‘New Covenant’, a ‘New Covenant’ that is based on a living faith in the Spirit of Christ, and not based on obedience to the letter of Ten Commandments given through Moses.

That "covenant" is now written on the heart.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Which house are you in?

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;

By writing His laws on stone tablets.

which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Meaning the broke those "laws."

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Follow along. I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts......

Who's law? "My law." What was the "law" of the covenant? Why the Ten Commandments of course. This is why no matter who one is, or where they live, or where they were born they know that it is wrong to steal, murder, dishonor parents, lie, commit adultery and why they instinctively feel a need to respond to God.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant- — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory...will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?...[FONT="]2 Cor 3:6-8[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT]

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I guess Paul should have said "some of" in your case. "[/FONT]He has made [FONT=&quot]"some of" [/FONT]us competent as ministers of a new covenant-[FONT=&quot]

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You can deny this, but you cannot change it. It is what it is, and that's the 'Truth'.

It cannot be any clearer.

In vain they do worship me teaching the commandments and doctrines of men......