YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[RND]

Correct. But those ones were broken up.

Re-written. By God.

Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.

Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.

My point, though, is that the letter of the law is the written law given to Israel, weather written by God or by Moses.

All of which was to be kept and observed by both the Hebrews and gentiles. Israels task was to teach all of these things to the surrounding world.

Deu 4:5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

Deu 4:6 Keep therefore and do [them]; for this [is] your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation [is] a wise and understanding people.
Deu 4:7 For what nation [is there so] great, who [hath] God [so] nigh unto them, as the LORD our God [is] in all [things that] we call upon him [for]?
Deu 4:8 And what nation [is there so] great, that hath statutes and judgments [so] righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

Christians do not live by this letter.

That's because they have become a law unto themselves.

 

[Doveaman]

There are people who I believe will be in heaven that will not have celebrated on the sabbath until they celebrate it there.

There is no sunset in heaven, so how is sabbath celebration possible?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is no sunset in heaven, so how is sabbath celebration possible?

Revelation 22:5 And Night not shall be still. And need not they are having of Lamp and of light of Sun,
that Lord the God shall be lightening/fwtizei <5461> (5719) of them and they shall be reigning into the Ages of the Ages.

 

[Doveaman]

All of which was to be kept and observed by both the Hebrews and gentiles. Israels task was to teach all of these things to the surrounding world.

That was then under the old agreement, or covenant, based on the letter of the law.

We are now under a new agreement, or covenant, based on faith in Christ, the Spirit of the law.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant - &#8212; not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life...2 Cor 3:6.

That's because they have become a law unto themselves

No, it's because there is a new law. The law of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

 

[RND]

There is no sunset in heaven, so how is sabbath celebration possible?

And effects the new sabbath how?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And effects the new sabbath how?

I don't do sabbaths

 

[RND]

That was then under the old agreement, or covenant, based on the letter of the law.

Right, now the "new" agreement places those laws in the heart. Which, according to the Holy Spirit that inspired David was where the law was supposed to always be.

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart.

We are now under a new agreement, or covenant, based on faith in Christ, the Spirit of the law.

That was promised only to the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Which one do you belong too?

No, it's because there is a new law. The law of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

Only those "of the Spirit" can keep the commandments (law) of God. It's always been that way.

Romans 8:7 ESV - For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

Law = nomos = from a primary nemo (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), genitive case (regulation), specially, (of Moses (including the volume); also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle):--law.

 

[Doveaman]

Right, now the "new" agreement places those laws in the heart. Which, according to the Holy Spirit that inspired David was where the law was supposed to always be.

Psa 40:8I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart.

The law of the Spirit in our hearts is not the Ten Commandments.

The law of the Spirit is a Person in our hearts, Christ.

We obey Christ the Spirit in our hearts, not Ten commandments.

The Ten Commandments are letters, not Spirit.

We obey the Spirit, not the letters.

That was promised only to the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Which one do you belong too?

Which one does Christ belong to?

He is the new covenant, and He belongs to both houses.

My salvation is in Him, so I belong to both houses through Him.

You mentioned before that the old covenant letter was to spread to the Gentiles.

The same is true for the new covenant Spirit.

That new covenant Spirit is in my gentile heart.

Only those "of the Spirit" can keep the commandments (law) of God. It's always been that way

True, but the "commandments (law)" is a living Spirit, not a written letter.

The Spirit obey the Spirit, not the letter, and through the Spirit we obey the Spirit, not the letter.

 

[visionary]

No, it's because there is a new law. The law of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

True and that is in its application on the heart instead of stone.

 

[squint]

I asked you whether or not you believed that the only ones that would burn in hell were the devil and his angels. You in turn responded with three verses that Christ used to teach a lesson about those who learn the word of God but are not rooted and grounded in it and thus loose that which they have.

See how predictable this is? I cite 3 scriptures that point to the ENTRANCE of an entirely DIFFERENT ENTITY into the hearts of those in whom the Word is sown and YOU figure out some way to blame mankind. Wow. I love the Word. And fwiw, I don't blame YOU for doing that. Figure that one out yet?

I do love my neighbor as myself.

Sure you do. As long as they go to church on SATURDAY. If they don't OR if they go on some other day then you commit them to potentially be eternally killled. Oh, yeah, that's LOVE in your world. (muffled laughter)

I also love my Lord and obey His commandments as He asked me to.

Of course you do. You have mastered following the Law PERFECTLY, therefore you are entitled to appropriate all the scriptures that are good and heap the bad ones upon others. (more muffled laughter)

I am not condeming anyone rather I am telling you what God has told you. Does that mean that He does not love you? James says that to break one commandment makes you guilty of breaking them all.

Oh no. You're not condemning anyone. No sir. BUT if someone doesn't go to 'church' on Saturday they might be eternally killed. Oh, but that's not CONDEMNATION. No sir. (uproarious laughter)

I am in no wise saying that I am justified and guaranteed salvation because I keep the sabbath. I am saved the same way everyone else is, by grace through faith. This grace however does not entitle me or anyone else for that matter to break the commandments of God willingly.

Uh huh. And you willingly heap the potential of eternal death upon those you are to love as well, right? lol

The Holy Spirit convicts. God knows the heart. I'm only doing that which I know to be right, spreading the truth to a world that is in darkness.

Oh YES. Go to church on Saturday and God won't KILL YOU. That is just sooo profound.

Here is the patience of the saints...those that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Uh huh. Those who say 'do as I say' and 'not as I REALLY DO.'

Now if you would answer my question. Will only the devil and his angels burn in hell while all humans will somehow be forgiven, including those who have denied Christ?

Which of your false assumptions would you like me to engage? Any? One?

How bout this one? Is mankind ALONE in flesh or in mind according to the scriptures?

And YES, mankind will be entirely forgiven of any sin and blasphemy.

The devil will NEVER be forgiven. The devil is by nature A LAWBREAKER who cannot love his neighbors no matter what. The devil in men will ALWAYS FIGURE OUT ways to condemn them, and will do so IN YOU. Imagine that?

enjoy!

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[Stryder06]

I have to agree with everything you said here. We simply disagree on what are the laws of men and what Paul told us.

This we do, yet we can always be civil

One Caveat that I think you will agree with: Without faith (first) it is impossible to please God.

This is how I see it, Christ said that there would be one shepard with one flock, a flock that He will pull together. How can any walk together unless they be agreed? For this reason I believe that all of God's children will be called together eventually, before the end.

 

[Stryder06]

There is no sunset in heaven, so how is sabbath celebration possible?

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass that afrom one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me says the Lord

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones and they sat on them, and judgement was commited to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had be beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had no worshiped the beast of his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they loved and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The bible clearly shows that time will pass by. It will not hold the same meaning to us as it does now because we will be immortal, but it will still go on.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This we do, yet we can always be civil



This is how I see it, Christ said that there would be one shepard with one flock, a flock that He will pull together. How can any walk together unless they be agreed? For this reason I believe that all of God's children will be called together eventually, before the end.

Matt 24:14 And shall be being proclaimed this, the Good-Message of the Kingdom, in whole the being-homed/oikoumenh <3625> into a testimony to all the nations and then shall be arriving the END/teloV <5056>.

1 Corin 15:23 Each yet in the own rank, a firstfruit Christ, thereafter the ones of the Christ in the Parousia of Him 24 thereafter the End/teloV <5056>,

 

[Secundulus]

This is how I see it, Christ said that there would be one shepard with one flock, a flock that He will pull together. How can any walk together unless they be agreed? For this reason I believe that all of God's children will be called together eventually, before the end.

Hopefully sooner rather than later. But certainly at the marriage supper.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hopefully sooner rather than later. But certainly at the marriage supper.

You mean that is still yet future? Bummerz

 

[visionary]

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass that afrom one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me says the Lord

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones and they sat on them, and judgement was commited to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had be beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had no worshiped the beast of his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they loved and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The bible clearly shows that time will pass by. It will not hold the same meaning to us as it does now because we will be immortal, but it will still go on.

Order will again be restore and all will come before the Lord at the times appointed by the Lord.

 

[Stryder06]

Hopefully sooner rather than later. But certainly at the marriage supper.

I do believe it will be sooner, much sooner than any of us know. And I can say with all sincerity that I pray to see you and others from this forum at the marriage supper of the lamb.

 

[christian73]

Jesus said to keep His commandments, so yes, they still apply.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I do believe it will be sooner, much sooner than any of us know. And I can say with all sincerity that I pray to see you and others from this forum at the marriage supper of the lamb.

What makes you think all the Christians on this forum won't be there?
Anyway, I also pray to see you there also, even though I view that as already fulfilled myself. God bless

 

[visionary]

I do believe it will be sooner, much sooner than any of us know. And I can say with all sincerity that I pray to see you and others from this forum at the marriage supper of the lamb.

I believe that also. I think it will come upon us shortly, then the end days will happen rapidly, and this world as we know it will spin out of control, and the world will grab the first messiah that appears in hopes of fixing the problem. It will be the grand resisto before the Real Messiah stands up.