YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[Iosias]

The law is our rule of life.

 

[holo]

The law is our rule of life.

Not mine

 

[Iosias]

Not mine

Then I would not want to be you.

 

[holo]

Then I would not want to be you.

And I wouldn't want to be you. Living according to the letter, contrary to what the bible teaches. Believing that the law is the ministry of Life when it is actually the ministry of Death. It wasn't given to be a "rule of life" but to make sin exceedingly sinful and ultimately kill us.

I used to be you, by the way, and I've experienced first hand how true it is that the commandment is the power of sin. Indeed, when the commandment came, sin sprang to life. And I've experienced the liberty in the fact that apart from the law, sin is DEAD. Realizing that I was dead to the law instantly set me free from drug addiction, for example.

 

[JustAsIam77]

And I wouldn't want to be you. Living according to the letter, contrary to what the bible teaches. Believing that the law is the ministry of Life when it is actually the ministry of Death. It wasn't given to be a "rule of life" but to make sin exceedingly sinful and ultimately kill us.

I used to be you, by the way, and I've experienced first hand how true it is that the commandment is the power of sin. Indeed, when the commandment came, sin sprang to life. And I've experienced the liberty in the fact that apart from the law, sin is DEAD. Realizing that I was dead to the law instantly set me free from drug addiction, for example.

Amen. I'm very glad the HS revealed this correct understanding of scripture to your heart.

 

[fritz300]

The law is our rule of life.

amen amen... praise YHVH that He has given us such a beautiful marriage covenant and that He loves us so much that He has given us a way of life and a way of protection in this dark and lawless world...

 

[JustAsIam77]

The law is our rule of life.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans 3:20-28;&version=9;

 

[Notrash]

NO AND YES, in that order with exception to the Sabbath.

10 Commandments were given as part of the Old Covenant in order to be a conditional Covenant for a 'nation' of people to keep possession of their land that they were promised to Inheriit. (Read Deut 11-30)

They were not able to be kept after Joshua's reign and some would say that they were not kept during Joshua's reign because they apparently did not write the laws on their doorways and spoke them in sitting etc. Thus they are a written to expose sin to bring people to Salvation.

But the primary 2 commandments are repeated By Jesus and the disciples are able to be fulfilled through obedience to the Holy Spirit in a walk with Hiim.

Jesus says, if ye love Me, obey MY commandments. After the Holy Spirit, we are under no condemnation or judgement of the Law but we are then free to Love Him by obeying the Holy Spirit in our walk and decisions of Life.

Not Rash.

 

[Iosias]

And I wouldn't want to be you. Living according to the letter, contrary to what the bible teaches. Believing that the law is the ministry of Life when it is actually the ministry of Death. It wasn't given to be a "rule of life" but to make sin exceedingly sinful and ultimately kill us.

The promise of the New Covenant is thus

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34 Cf. Hebrews 8)​

The law of God is summed up, love God (4) and love your neighbour (6) hence:

Question ​

102: What is the sum of the four commandments which contain our duty to God?
Answer: The sum of the four commandments containing our duty to God is, to love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind.

Question 122: What is the sum of the six commandments which contain our duty to man?Answer: The sum of the six commandments which contain our duty to man is, to love our neighbor as ourselves, and to do to others: What we would have them to do to us.

Question 149: Is any man able perfectly to keep the commandments of God?
Answer: No man is able, either of himself, or by any grace received in this life, perfectly to keep the commandments of God; but does daily break them in thought, word, and deed.
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But in the law God has revealed his moral character and as we are to be like Christ so who kept the law perfectly so we and to imitate Christ and the law is our guide.

 

[Iosias]

But the primary 2 commandments are repeated By Jesus and the disciples are able to be fulfilled through obedience to the Holy Spirit in a walk with Hiim.

They were the summary of what the law was and the sabbath is a part of the first four commandments:

102: What is the sum of the four commandments which contain our duty to God?
Answer: The sum of the four commandments containing our duty to God is, to love the Lord our God with all our heart, and with all our soul, and with all our strength, and with all our mind.

Question 122: What is the sum of the six commandments which contain our duty to man?Answer: The sum of the six commandments which contain our duty to man is, to love our neighbor as ourselves, and to do to others: What we would have them to do to us.

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[TexasSky]

The Original question was do the 10 commandments matter today.

If pleasing God matters to us, then yes, the ten matter.

Are the 10 what matters in regards to salvation? No. Christ is.

But, how can you love and follow Christ and NOT care about what pleases or displeases God?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

The Original question was do the 10 commandments matter today.

If pleasing God matters to us, then yes, the ten matter.

Are the 10 what matters in regards to salvation? No. Christ is.

But, how can you love and follow Christ and NOT care about what pleases or displeases God?

Can somebody answer this.

 

[squint]

Can somebody answer this.

Told on this thread more than enough:

Galatians 5:


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And

they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

The Law stands and remains upheld just as the hands of Moses were upheld...against the LAWLESS to "expose" them and "reveal" them.

The LAW in the hand of the child of God is our ALLY against our ENEMIES in our own flesh unto whom it is AGAINST.

We live in Grace through LOVE.

All attempts to make the lawless in the flesh "lawful" only serves to EMPOWER that lawlessness.

LOVE never fails. Love condemns the LAWLESS and LOVES our fellow man.

enjoy!

squint

 

[Tkjjc]

Told on this thread more than enough:

Galatians 5:


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And

they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

The Law stands and remains upheld just as the hands of Moses were upheld...against the LAWLESS to "expose" them and "reveal" them.

The LAW in the hand of the child of God is our ALLY against our ENEMIES in our own flesh unto whom it is AGAINST.

We live in Grace through LOVE.

All attempts to make the lawless in the flesh "lawful" only serves to EMPOWER that lawlessness.

LOVE never fails. Love condemns the LAWLESS and LOVES our fellow man.

enjoy!

squint

 

[Notrash]

Can somebody answer this.
The Original question was do the 10 commandments matter today.

If pleasing God matters to us, then yes, the ten matter.

Are the 10 what matters in regards to salvation? No. Christ is.

But, how can you love and follow Christ and NOT care about what pleases or displeases God?

I think Romans 7 has something to do with this.
(adlibbing and expressing a partial synopsis of the last part of Rom. 7)
The law and commandment was given to reveal sin, but now after one believes and recieves the love of Christ, the law remains, but believers are not under the law as to obey it for salvation or to please God. So a person now seeks to please God, but he knows that the law condemns and does not give life nor can the person find approval in keeping the law (as none are justified or glorified by keeping the 'law of commandments') And if the person turns from the law into only himself, he also finds himself doing wrong or even evil. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will (to please God) is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not. Paul says "wretched man that I am, who shall save me from this viscious cycle and this body of death.

The last verse of 7 is;
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The answer is found in almost all of Chapter 8.

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(this is one reason, non christians get screwed up while trying to make a law while reading Gods word, they have not the Spirit.)

Learning what is the will of God individually is a process, but it is a process that I believe starts in the heart when one agrees to be willing to forsake their own will and render their decisions and actions and reactions to things, decisions and circumstances that enter into their lives up to the will of God in the Spirit of life. Just as Jesus prayed, not my will but thine.

James also says, if any man lacks wisdom (in understanding answers to God or in knowing the Spirits will to please God) they should ask of God faith believing and they will recieve.

This will of God in it's actions will never go against the 10 commandments that I can know, other than keeping a sabath, but the law and 10 commandments are not the "LAW" whereby Christians please God. Remember how Jesus ate corn while walking through the one cornfield on a Sabath and was condemned by the Pharisees. It is obeying the Spirit of Love in seeking and doing the will of God that pleases God through the guidance of the Spirit of Christ. His main laws are love God, love me, obey me (Jesus in the Holy Spirit)love others,
This pleasing God by seeking and being given over to his will in our lives through the Spirit also will result in the fruits of the Spirit as described in Gal 5:22. Many churchgoers "put on" these fruits as outward persona's, but if they are not true "fruits" which come after doing will of God, they are dross and burnt up.

This theme of pleasing God through the Spirit is continued in Romans 12. Sons of God are under NO Condemnation. And we also have "good works" prepared in advance for us to walk in. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Gods Mercies)(Eph 2:10)

Rom 12:1,2; I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, (some versions say PLEASING) and perfect, will of God.

To me, verse 1 is a key verse. We are to offer our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice. This again goes with the not my will but thine idea; realizing that God has ordained situations, problems, people, feelings etc, to come into our lives and even indwelling sin to come to awareness that through which he offers us opportunity to sacrificrificially offer over unto Him and His Spirit the way we deal with everyday life unto a path of LIFE. He desired to give us "abundant life" and desires to conform us to the image of his likeness and to create Christ in us and also to have a path wherin we can live successful and victorious as Christians overcoming both the fear of death and the body of death within our lives.

Now since I see that squint has already posted in this section, I'd inform him beforehand that his posts will not be read by me nor responded to. But offer response he may.
Squint has some good points about being non judgemental and non-condemning, but here is a doctrine of scripture that consistently teaches that it is those who believe on the Son of God (Jesus) who have access to His Holy Spirit to guide them to Please the father. This process of learning to please God by being not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind; is not available to those outside of faith in Christ, DESPITE them having both a good and bad nature and also DESPITE having God-like dignity and retaining an image of being created in the Image of God. From Romans 8 itself; Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is a primary indwelling of the Spirit of God that occurs when a person is first called to believe on Jesus Words or His Person. This is sometimes especially dramatic when the person first trusts Christ to save them from the judgement and condemation of the law, confessing that he is unable to please God and maintain an obedience to the law (of commandments) and thus is worthy only of death. When a person asks and trusts God/Jesus to save them from their sins anyway, once and for all, faith believing that Jesus alone has the authority and that he is willing to do this, sometimes we/they are overcome with the promise of eternal Life and the indwelling of Gods Spirit through God's Yes answer. It is only to those who recieve Him, even if they only believe on His name,(Jesus/savior) then that an individual has the power and right (birthright)to become sons of God. John 1:12.

It is also true that faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God, and that we should not preach condemnation to people but expose and preach Christ and salvation in Him and expose the Word and allow the Spirit to work in his word.

 

[squint]

Now since I see that squint has already posted in this section, I'd inform him beforehand that his posts will not be read by me nor responded to. But offer response he may.

Though Notrash has dragged me into his post, he will not drag me into the eternal damnation of my neighbors whom I love. Faith WORKS through LOVE. A man who does not LOVE his neighbors, even the UNSAVED ones, has DEAD FAITH and DEAD FAITH will never get the message of "God's Love." So whether you respond or not you should know that I NEVER expect people who are the slaves of the promotion of eternal torture of those we are commanded to LOVE will ever agree with me presently, yet alone respond with any form of sound reasoning.

I was with you up to the point where you began to condemn your fellow man to eternal torture (or insert your favorite form of eternal damnation unto those you are COMMANDED to Love...!)

Squint has some good points about being non judgemental and non-condemning, but here is a doctrine of scripture that consistently teaches that it is those who believe on the Son of God (Jesus) who have access to His Holy Spirit to guide them to Please the father. This process of learning to please God by being not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind; is not available to those outside of faith in Christ,

Says WHO? God in Christ was effective long before you showed up to push His buttons.

Also I have in NO WAY abandoned judgment and eternal condemnation, and you know UNTO WHOM...

So even though there are such OBVIOUS "other parties" to mankind, you will CONDEMN the slaves...which action is of itself a showing OF SLAVERY, not of LOVE.

DESPITE them having both a good and bad nature and also DESPITE having God-like dignity and retaining an image of being created in the Image of God. From Romans 8 itself; Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Again you merely smear the slaves of sin with the workings of the devil in their flesh, not realizing you should slander the devil and uplift the SLAVE.

The term "man" is multifunctional in scripture just as the term "angel" is multifunctional. Lucifer was called "a man." God was a MAN.

As to any "man" not having the Spirit of Christ being none of His, I would again remind you that Jesus NEVER came to condemn the captive slaves of sin, but to SAVE them...

I fully acknowledge that the SLAVE cannot and will not SEE apart from Gods Will to draw Him...

And God will draw ALL men unto Himself and those who come to Him (those same all) He will in no wise cast out.

But just as the body and mind of Pharaoh was used to carry EVIL unto JUDGMENT, so every man serves to carry their own respective sins in the flesh to their cross and in this way ALL will serve Gods Judgment, even the blinded slaves.

[sniping the balance of the condemnation you carry toward your neighbors.]

enjoy!

squint

 

[Revelation1217]

Interesting discussion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Interesting discussion.

I agree........

 

[Catholic Christian]

The Original question was do the 10 commandments matter today.

If pleasing God matters to us, then yes, the ten matter.

Are the 10 what matters in regards to salvation? No. Christ is.

But, how can you love and follow Christ and NOT care about what pleases or displeases God?

Thats a pretty good statement

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Interesting discussion.

I agree.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 18:20 The commandments thou hast known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering/foneushV <5407> (5661), no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

Revelation 9:21 And not they reform/repent/metenohsan <3340> (5656) out of the murders/fonwn <5408> of them, nor out from their sorceries,...........