YES or NO: Do The 10 Commandments Still Apply To Us Today? (2)

[Tkjjc]

Is it the law of Moses or the Law of God through Moses? I mean did Moses write it without revelation from God?

What about Yeshua? Is what He said and taught not from the Father?

Tkjcc from what you believe you have condemned our Lord and Savior as a false prophet according to God's own words.

Marc

How dare you!!!

Is it the law of Moses or the Law of God through Moses? I mean did Moses write it without revelation from God?

You still don't get it do you? No wonder Jesus talked in parables. Blind and deaf people can't let go of their traditions.
You can copy and paste stuff, define stuff, but you still don't understand this? How the word you are LOOKING FOR, isn't there? IT is another word, which if that is what they wanted to say, they would have used it. But still, if that WAS the word they wanted to use and the meaning just so happens to be the same, IT WAS FOR THE JEWS. But I still UNDERSTAND IT.

What about Yeshua? Is what He said and taught not from the Father?

Yes, The Father spoke through Him, as they are 1.

Tkjcc from what you believe you have condemned our Lord and Savior as a false prophet according to God's own words.

I should not even dignify this with a statement, but even Jesus was called the devil, so I should expect this.
Better had watch the tone though, you are verging on blasphemy.

 

[IamAdopted]

Tkjcc from what you believe you have condemned our Lord and Savior as a false prophet according to God's own words.

Show us the proof of this since this was a very bold claim. We are dead to the law Marc.. Dead to it.. We are dead to sin Marc Dead to it. We are under the blood of Jesus as a new covenant to all.. The law came to the Isrealites as thier covenant with God. We as gentiles were never under the law and still are not under the law.. We are now bought with the precious blood of Jesus that paid the penalty for the law that accuses us before God.. Does this mean we live a life of sin. God forbid.. For we are now raised with Christ in the newness of Life.. We are not to become bound up with our flesh but we are to put off the flesh and walk in the Spirit.

 

[IamAdopted]

Actually the phrase "Law and the Prophets", actually are the books written by Moses and the books written by the prophets. When Jesus said he came to fulfill the law it can be looked at in different ways. The law and the prophets prophesied of the coming of Jesus. Isaiah and many more prophesied of his coming. For instance:

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:
Mat 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

When a prophecy is fulfilled we should have even more faith in the words of the prophets not neglect them. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies about him.

He sure did and one of them was to pay the ransom for mankind. Which He did.. So therfore the Law that accuses us to the Father has been paid.. No longer having any jurisdiction over us.. Debt paid in Full..

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Show us the proof of this since this was a very bold claim. We are dead to the law Marc.. Dead to it.. We are dead to sin Marc Dead to it. We are under the blood of Jesus as a new covenant to all.. The law came to the Isrealites as thier covenant with God. We as gentiles were never under the law and still are not under the law.. We are now bought with the precious blood of Jesus that paid the penalty for the law that accuses us before God.. Does this mean we live a life of sin. God forbid.. For we are now raised with Christ in the newness of Life.. We are not to become bound up with our flesh but we are to put off the flesh and walk in the Spirit.

IAA I didn't make the claim God made the claim. My claims are from scripture and what God said and I believe Him. It's God who says what a false prophet is.

Marc

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

He sure did and one of them was to pay the ransom for mankind. Which He did.. So therfore the Law that accuses us to the Father has been paid.. No longer having any jurisdiction over us.. Debt paid in Full..

The law that accuses us to the Father? Wow what a way to think of our awesome God. That He gave us the law to accuse us.

IAA for the 'how many times' do you even know what 'under the law' means?

Marc

 

[IamAdopted]

IAA I didn't make the claim God made the claim. My claims are from scripture and what God said and I believe Him. It's God who says what a false prophet is.

Marc

Show me.. For it did not come out of Gods mouth or writings but yours.. Show me the scripture that you are talking about that you say God declared it..

 

[IamAdopted]

The law that accuses us to the Father? Wow what a way to think of our awesome God. That He gave us the law to accuse us.

IAA for the 'how many times' do you even know what 'under the law' means?

Marc

Yes the law was made for one reason to accuse us before the Lord.. Get it.. It was put in the ark for this reason.. We have such an awesome God that He even came and paid by His only begotten Son the ransom and the debt has been paid in full.. IT is finished..

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Show me.. For it did not come out of Gods mouth or writings but yours.. Show me the scripture that you are talking about that you say God declared it..

1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’
3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world"

No miracle of God will point to anyone but the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who became flesh for us in the person of the Messiah Yeshua.

Marc

 

[IamAdopted]

HE did just what He said He would. He came and saved His people from thier sin.. He still does this today.. People are saved from thier sins sometimes on a daily basis... How are the saved from thier sins marc? By obeying the law?

 

[IamAdopted]

1 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’
3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world"

No miracle of God will point to anyone but the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who became flesh for us in the person of the Messiah Yeshua.

Marc

4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
Joh 14:24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.
Joh 14:25 "These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.
Joh 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Joh 14:27 "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.
Joh 14:28 "You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29 "Now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe.
Joh 14:30 "I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;
Joh 14:31 but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

HE did just what He said He would. He came and saved His people from thier sin.. He still does this today.. People are saved from thier sins sometimes on a daily basis... How are the saved from thier sins marc? By obeying the law?

Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it

Did Yeshua add or take away from what He commanded?

Marc

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Yes the law was made for one reason to accuse us before the Lord.. Get it.. It was put in the ark for this reason.. We have such an awesome God that He even came and paid by His only begotten Son the ransom and the debt has been paid in full.. IT is finished..

Is a law that is supposed to give us the knowledge of sin an accuser?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

IAA. Do you believe that when one is filled with the spirit one will show love?

 

[Tkjjc]

Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it

Did Yeshua add or take away from what He commanded?

Marc

Nope. It just so happened that it ended that way upon HIS DEATH.
What killed Him? What condemned Him? Why were they so adamant that they released a murderer, instead of God's Son?

Tell me, tell me, please.

For the umteenth time, IT IS FINISHED! Your way of worship is over, concerning temple worship. It has been left to you and the descendents prior desolate, never to be rebuilt.

I have never understood why if they believe so hard that they need a temple, why they don't just build a tabernacle like in Moses time.

What is the difference between a MJ and a Christian, because I think this goes to some sort of major difference here. Still looking for something, or someone? Something still not completed enough for you? You, out of billions, and centuries upon centuries, have this knowledge that the rest of us don't have? Do we need a temple? Think God will show up there? Maybe grab some high priests, and start the rituals back up? Pray tell me Marc, what is it that you seek?

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
Joh 14:24"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.
Joh 14:25"These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you.
Joh 14:26"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Joh 14:27"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.
Joh 14:28"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29"Now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe.
Joh 14:30"I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;
Joh 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


Yes! Bring into remembrance all that I said to you. This is a verb tense that needs to be addressed.

Yeshua is bringing into remembrance of all that He has said from the beginning as well.

Marc

 

[Tkjjc]

Is a law that is supposed to give us the knowledge of sin an accuser?

No, the Law that is Good and Holy, enabled men to accuse others, by positions of authority and power.

 

[Tkjjc]

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.


Yes! Bring into remembrance all that I said to you. This is a verb tense that needs to be addressed.

Yeshua is bringing into remembrance of all that He has said from the beginning as well.

Marc

And ALL those little parables will open wide up for you. For only the Spirit of God can do that.

 

[Tkjjc]

IAA. Do you believe that when one is filled with the spirit one will show love?

Dang, I wanted to answer that.

 

[merryheart]

Under grace, we live by the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. The spirit of the law is to love God, and love others. All other commandments are given to satisfy those two.

Eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is what made us subject to the law. Before eating, we did not know evil.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Under grace, we live by the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. The spirit of the law is to love God, and love others. All other commandments are given to satisfy those two.

Eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is what made us subject to the law. Before eating, we did not know evil.

Excellent points!!