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\Are you in the Spirit? Are you subject to the laws about beard lengths?
And I answered that. How about you answer my question?
I've answered no many times, but here it is again, as clear as I can get it;holo your answer wasn't clear, as it it's a simple yes or no if you consider yourself of the Spirit are you subject to the Greatest command, love God? This question is not complicated.
Marc
I've answered no many times, but here it is again, as clear as I can get it;
"No."
Are you under the laws about beard lengths? No? So to conclude according to Paul you are of the flesh.So you are of the flesh then because Pauls says if you are of the Spirit you are subject to the law of God but if you of the flesh you are not.
So to conclude according to Paul you are of the flesh.
Marc
You as Gods child may very well be dead to The Law.
The Law however STANDS for the purposes intended, and was UPHELD by The Apostles for very good intent and purpose.
The sin that indwells the flesh is and remains continually condemned under that Law...so whilst you can claim your freedom...I know by the "spiritual revealing" of The Law that I am NOT alone in these events, any more than Paul was free from the messenger of Satan that he admittedly carried...
No believer worth his "salt" will ever deny The Law, or to "serve" it.
Are you under the laws about beard lengths? No? So to conclude according to Paul you are of the flesh.
OK, so you're a jew living uner the old covenant. I'm not.holo I am also subject to it. You don't know what that scripture means so you assume with knowledge.
You must not shave or cut the corners of the hairs of your head and you are not to trim (mar or clip off) the edge (corners) of your beard.
From this we see that the prohibition in the first part of the verse, 'not to cut' or 'shave' does not mean that men shouldn't cut or trim their hair but that it shouldn't be like what many youth do today. They shave or cut a patch of hair above their ears, encircling their heads. This is a pagan custom, most likely having to do with grieving for the dead
As for not cutting or trimming the hair on one's head because of Lev. 19:27a, we have two cites in Scripture that tell us that cutting the hair is an acceptable practice and even encouraged. The first is found in Ezekiel:Ezek. 44:20: 'And their heads they must not shave and long hair they must not grow. They must trim their heads.'Here we find that the hair on the head could be cut or trimmed. We are told that it should not be too long ('and long hair they must not grow')
Next we turn to the beard. Looking at the words for 'corners' and 'edge' we find 'pay-ah' which means, 'corner, e.g. of a field' 'corner or extremity of the beard' we find the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament describing Lev. 19:27b (and 21:5) as prohibitions that guarded against pagan practices for the dead:'Both verses prohibit rounding off the hair at 'the edges' or trimming 'the edges' of ones' beard. These injunctions' 'are found listed with other abominations such as body laceration, tattooing, and even cultic prostitution. Presumably the references to the avoidance of cutting the edges of one's hair refer to the peculiar markings which the pagans put on themselves at their funerary rites (Jer. 9:26 (H 25); 25:23; 49:32). It is thought that their intention was to make the mourner incognito to the spirits hovering round the deceased. In Israel such deference to the presence of evil spirits is prohibited.
Marc
Lol, the blind trying to lead the blind. Hopefully both will not fall into a pit.
If you need to Love God because it is a commandment, then I am sorry for you. That is almost retorical. To say that I Love God, because He told me to. LOL. I actually did laugh out loud.
I Love God because....
I choose to.
For many, many reasons of course,,,,,,
But not because I was told to.
Yes, this is true, but it is not a license to do whatever your carnal mind desires, because that would be destructive to the spirit.
And then by showing over and over again, it was a tutor to Christ, but sooner or later you must throw off the milk teachings, and get to the meat.
Assume for instance that you are indeed dead to the Law.
Assume you have used it as a tutor to Christ.
Assume that you are now, after receiving a forgiveness of ALL sins,
Born Again in the spirit, joined with His Spirit. Umm, now what? My focus isn't on sin any longer, as I am dead to the Law which condemned me. So then what?
Overcoming the flesh, and wearing the mind of Christ who dwells in you. What does this mean?
To Love and show the WORLD what Christ is. Not to focus on the Laws now, because you are past that, but to focus on the Kingdom at Hand! If indeed you are free in the spirit.
But that messenger didn't condemn him either, it was just a burden he carried. BIG DIFFERENCE! It was a tribulation that he needed, for everything done is according to the will of God the Father. Maybe he was getting a little boastful, and needed a smack-down so to speak. I wasn't there so I cannot say. Oh wait, yes I can because it IS written
2nd Cor 12:7
Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me--to keep me from exalting myself!
No one is denying the Law here. But they are saying they don't serve it on a silver platter either. We assume ALL here are Christians, so at least I speak as though I am talking to them. The Law was needed, and is needed to show the Power and the Glory that is the Son of God, and how we are sinners and fall short of that Glory.
How else would anyone know what Perfection is without the guidelines on which to base it? NO ONE KEPT IT 100%, before Jesus. NO ONE KEEPS IT 100% NOW!
You break just one law trying to be obedient to it, you just broke it ALL, and that really doesn't matter, because any and ALL sin, just 1, is separation from Father.
Accept Jesus into your heart. Let Him have ruler ship over your life and be King. He will then testify, and those who you have planted as seeds, will testify, on your behalf.
That testimony is that "salt", and will be far better than just pure accusations against you. This is why you don't take that gift and hide it in the field, it must be multiplied, so that it will bear fruit.
Sure, but none of the commandments are given to anyone but Israel. The law, the ENTIRE law, was given to Israel and Israel only. It was a covenant made with a particular people. I have never been in that covenant. I'm a gentile.holo what you don't understand is a couple things.
First there are commands that are weightier than others.
I have never been commanded to observe the sabbath.The Sabbath since you are ignorant of it you won't be held accountable for it. But you will be held accountable in being called least or greatest in the Kingdom since of your ignorance.
What the law says, it says to those who are under the law.But the greatest command that no one can get away from is love God.
No, my love for God isn't the result of me keeping some commandment. It is solely a result of Him loving me first.With that being said since you are NOT ignorant to love of God if you are not subject to it then as Paul says you are carnal. If you consider yourself of the Spirit then you are subject to love God.
Sure, but none of the commandments are given to anyone but Israel. The law, the ENTIRE law, was given to Israel and Israel only. It was a covenant made with a particular people. I have never been in that covenant. I'm a gentile.
I have never been commanded to observe the sabbath.
What the law says, it says to those who are under the law.
No, my love for God isn't the result of me keeping some commandment. It is solely a result of Him loving me first.
Sure, but none of the commandments are given to anyone but Israel. The law, the ENTIRE law, was given to Israel and Israel only. It was a covenant made with a particular people. I have never been in that covenant. I'm a gentile.
I have never been commanded to observe the sabbath.
What the law says, it says to those who are under the law.
No, my love for God isn't the result of me keeping some commandment. It is solely a result of Him loving me first.
Israel is God's "demonstration people," so to speak. Even though the law wasn't given to the gentiles, it still has the ability to "shut up" the entire world. Jesus' words to some Roman official may also be highly important and valuable to me, but that doesn't mean Jesus said those words to me. See my point?Think again on that one:
Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
I presume that you have a "mouth" and you live in the world.
Which things do you have in mind?The Law has very specific things to teach us about 'The Sabbath.'
The role of the law is to make sin exceedingly sinful and to make the whole world stand guilty before God.the role of The Law
True, and He also said that not one iota of it should pass until it is all fulfilled. I know that some take the stance that most of the law HAS been fulfilled, but the rest, like the ten commandment and a few others, still stand and await fulfilment. But I believe that if you're under the law, you're under the ENTIRE law. Jesus never said that the law was for anybody but Israel, or that it should ever come to be for anybody but Israel. But that doesn't really matter, because in Christ we aren't jew or gentile anyway. We are new creations.Jesus never told us to deny the Law or it's workings.
Nope, just testifying why I love God.holo you are being rhetorical. Very rhetorical.
No.since you consider yourself of the Spirit are you subject to the law of God(the greatest commandment)?
Dead people aren't subject to the mosaic law. Gentiles aren't subject to the mosaic law. Righteous people aren't subject to the mosaic law.Paul says you are of the flesh if you are not subject to it.
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