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Tee hee.. When we have love we go far and beyond the Law.. For it is not our love that we love by but by the Love of God shed abroad in our heart by the Holy Spirit.. For the law accuses us before the Father.. For it is written thou shall not.. Love is written thou shall..Love accomplishes the law.
love fulfills the law.
When we have love we keep the law.
To answer this question yet again, no. I am not under any commandment of the law, neither the smallest nor the greatest commandment in it.holo are you or are you not subject to the greatest commandment which is love of God?
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.Tee hee.. When we have love we go far and beyond the Law.. For it is not our love that we love by but by the Love of God shed abroad in our heart by the Holy Spirit.. For the law accuses us before the Father.. For it is written thou shall not.. Love is written thou shall..Jesus says that whatever we do unto the least of these we do unto Him..
Marc just doesn't get it. He would rather be again subject to slavery instead of being free. It almost seems as though God's grace isn't good enough for him.
Of course you cannot talk about the difference between the Law of commandments of the flesh, vs. grace of the spirit.
You cannot SEE the difference, and must not live born again of the spirit, joined with His Spirit. It would almost be saying that even though Jesus led a most perfect life in the flesh, died a horrific death, now He is in heaven obeying more laws. That would be ridiculous to say the least. Surely you don't believe that. And then if you don't, and you say that your spirit is joined with His Spirit in union, how then could your spirit be subject to any Laws?
Paul said he was, to who it was he talked to. A Jew to the Jews. A Gentile to the Gentiles. Why would he say this?
"All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify."
Of course he would say this. If I am a smoker, and I am talking to a bunch of non smokers teaching them about the wonders of grace, do you not think that if I lit up a smoke, that the people would look at that as a offense to their conscience? Would this not be a stumbling block to them? Why give the opportunity to point and say "look there is a smoker trying to teach us about heavenly things, when he offends us with his smoke? Same with eating and drinking things which are forbidden by Mosaic Law. You become that, which you are confronted in the situation. A Jew to Jews, a Gentile to Gentiles. A slave to the slaves, and a free man to the free. Why wouldn't you, as this makes them more comfortable to learn, and then to let the Spirit of God convict them on which is right and wrong. Do you break any Laws that forbid it? Only if you do those which become an offense for those to whom you are talking to.
Romans 14:13
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
1st Cor 8:9
But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.
Jesus says this:
Rev 2:4
'But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit immorality.
See, if you were to openly eat things sacrificed to idols, and try to convert Jews while knowingly do this, it would be a stumbling block to those Jews. Same with immoralities. Same with anything that goes directly against their teachings. Would be like eating a pork sandwich, and trying to tell them about Christ crucified, at the SAME TIME. If you do this, Jesus said some pretty strong words to this effect.
Matt 18:7
"Woe to the world because of stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!
"Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. "Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me;but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Sounds like pretty harsh words. But bottom line is this summed up perfectly by Paul and this is quoted from the Scriptures:
- Rom 9:33 -
as it is written, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that will make men stumble, a rock that will make them fall; and he who believes in him will not be put to shame."
In other words, this Rock, will be a cause of stumble for those who remain in the Old Covenant. You will stumble, over it, and will fall because of it, as you should, if you are a Jew under the OLD Law. If you believe in this Rock, who's name is Jesus, you will not be put to shame, except by those who refuse to live according to the Covenant of Grace.
As you can tell by this verse, in the time of the Old covenant, this Rock wasn't laid yet, into the Earth. It was the heralding of the Christ.
This is the verse to which it came from
Isaiah 8:14
And He shall be for a Sanctuary;
but for a Stone of stumbling and for a Rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, for a Gin and for a Snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
You have only one of two choices. Either believe wholly in this Rock named Jesus. Or don't wholly and think there is actually something else that you need to do, or better yet, could do. Because until you understand the basics of this, you will not understand how to overcome the flesh. If you think that there is a condition upon your Born Again Spirit, you cannot understand the rest of the story, and your "Virgin's Lamp" will remain only half full. This verse here should have popped right into your head, and filled you with wonder. Remember ALL the metals, with ALL the kingdoms were absolutely CRUSHED AT THE SAME TIME, by what? A Rock! Begotten, and not by human hands, Our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ, praise be His Name ABOVE all others.
"You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found.
But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
To answer this question yet again, no. I am not under any commandment of the law, neither the smallest nor the greatest commandment in it.
The law was given
a) to Israel, not to gentiles, and
b) to the wicked and ungodly.
I don't live according to the letter, and I'm not supposed to. The law doesn't motivate any of my actions. Should it? If so, what exactly is it that I need the law for? And how is it that I'm supposedly under only part of the law?
Grace is much more than forgiveness! Did God show grace toward Adam and Eve before they sinned? Yes, very much so - in fact, hadn't it been for the grace of God, they wouldn't even be alive.1 question. If we cannot be accused of being lawbreakers then why would God need to forgive us? Why would God need to give us his grace? Aren't we saved from sin by grace? If your son breaks none of your rules can you have mercy on him? Can you forgive him?
So if you don't abide by the law you are free from sin?Grace is much more than forgiveness! Did God show grace toward Adam and Eve before they sinned? Yes, very much so - in fact, hadn't it been for the grace of God, they wouldn't even be alive.
The cross wasn't just a superiour animal sacrifice to pay for your sins, it's where you DIED with Christ. And as we died with Him, so we have beeen raised up with Him, as new creations. You aren't in your sins anymore, you aren't in the old Adam anymore, but in the NEW Adam - Christ.
The commandment is the power of sin, without the commandment, sin is DEAD - so yes, without the law there wouldn't be any need for forgiveness. So why cling to the law? The further you get from the law, the less power sin will have over you! Insisting on being under the law is like saying "I must sin so that God can have something to forgive me for..."
The law won't benefit you anymore than it benefitted Adam and Eve.
So if you don't abide by the law you are free from sin?
People only look at the scriptures that seem to support their misunderstanding. They would not bother with Romans 5:5 - 8 unfortunately.According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.
Are you?
Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"
Marc
1 question. If we cannot be accused of being lawbreakers then why would God need to forgive us? Why would God need to give us his grace? Aren't we saved from sin by grace? If your son breaks none of your rules can you have mercy on him? Can you forgive him?
If you're not under the law, you're free from sin. If you're not under the law, you are like Adam and Eve before they ate the forbidden fruit. That's why it's so important to realize that Jesus didn't just die as a payment for our sins, but that we also died WITH Him.So if you don't abide by the law you are free from sin?
What about you, Marc? Are YOU subject to the law? Or are you subject to only a small portion of the law?According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.
Are you?
Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"
Marc
Are you in the Spirit? Are you subject to the laws about beard lengths?holo I asked if you consider yourself of the Spirit then as Paul says your are subject to the law of God.
The greatest commandment is love God. Are you saying that since you consider yourself of the Spirit you are subject to the law(love God)?
If not then you must be of the flesh and not subject to love God.
Marc
According to Paul in Romans 8:5-8, if you consider yourself to be "of the Spirit," you ARE subject to the Torah of God.
Are you?
Or are you of the flesh and "not subject to the Law of God?"
Marc
I can't "abide by the law" any more than I can break it. Because I'm simply not under it. I'm DEAD to the law, just like any other believer is, whether they know it or not.
The law doesn't motivate anything I do.
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