Yes 1844 is unbiblical, but why abandon the Sabbath also ?

[Adventtruth]

You missed the whole point of what I said.

And I am not going to waste my time giving you an explanation if you are going to have that kind of attitude towards me.

You said the sabbath was a sign to remind you that you where not god and He was. I replied that was sad if you need the sabbath for that. Sorry if you think I have a bad attitude. I also asked if I where undersanding you correctly, so maybe I am not, sorry. Can you kindly explain it to me please.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

Would Christ direct us not to love?

Christ is love!

I agree, though, if the 10 commandments aren't getting in the way of Christ then that is a problem. I am not so sure it is the 10 commandments problem though, I think it is more likely the people.

Christ even said this himself, when he attacked the pharisees but not the commandments.

JM

No one keeps the ten commandments...do you agree?

AT

 

[JonMiller]

I don't see how that is relevant?

But I would say yes, I agree.

JM

 

[Restin]

Christ is love!

No one keeps the ten commandments...do you agree?

AT

Agree, beyond that --
Is it even possible for anyone [except Jesus] to 'perfectly' keep them?....

Restin

 

[AzA]

Have come to find it interesting: we don't try to "keep" gravitation. We live with it and its "laws," factor it into our movements, and sometimes we work around it. We always receive the consequences of our relating. The relationship keeps us standing, or has us fall.

 

[djconklin]

the unbiblical 1844 teachings and false visions of Mrs White

Assumes facts not in evidence.

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Is the law salvational?

That's not the function of the Law. One of its function is to explicitly point out your need of salvation. Then it points you to your saviour. So, without the Law, you know neither.

 

[djconklin]

Agree, beyond that --
Is it even possible for anyone [except Jesus] to 'perfectly' keep them?....

Restin

So, God gave you a "mission impossible"? Does that even make sense?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

So, God gave you a "mission impossible"? Does that even make sense?

God's mission for man is found in Matthew 28.

BFA

 

[djconklin]

See verse 20.

 

[Restin]

RE: Is it even possible for anyone [except Jesus] to 'perfectly' keep the ten commandments?

So, God gave you a "mission impossible"? Does that even make sense?

If there were a law that man could obey 'perfectly', Christ need not have come.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:
for if there had been a law given which could have given life,
verily righteousness should have been by the law. KJV

dj, you are correct, it doesn't 'make sense', not to the flesh....
however, God does what He considers important His way.
If everything 'made sense' we would not need 'faith'....right?

Peace....Restin

 

[Man-ofGod]

Agree, beyond that --
Is it even possible for anyone [except Jesus] to 'perfectly' keep them?....

Restin

By their own will power? No.

 

[djconklin]

Is it even possible for anyone [except Jesus] to 'perfectly' keep them?....

How did Jesus keep the 10 Commandments?

 

[djconklin]

You said the sabbath was a sign to remind you that you where not god and He was. I replied that was sad if you need the sabbath for that.

That's why God gave the command in the 1st place AND told us to "Remember."

 

[sentipente]

That's why God gave the command in the 1st place AND told us to "Remember."

Don't read into the text what is not there. To do that is to break one of the commandments. God never told us to remember. That commandment was written to a few million Hebrews who had never kept a Sabbath in their lives and needed to be reminded of a new arrangement of time.

 

[Joe67]

Don't read into the text what is not there. To do that is to break one of the commandments. God never told us to remember. That commandment was written to a few million Hebrews who had never kept a Sabbath in their lives and needed to be reminded of a new arrangement of time.

Sentipente,

Would you talk some more about the "new arrangement of time?"

Thank you.

Joe

 

[sentipente]

The Hebrews had worked without rest during their captivity in Egypt. They were not only delivered from slavery but from then on would have the gift of one day out of every seven to rest, to remind them that they had been delivered. The Sabbath is a sign of deliverance.

 

[Man-ofGod]

The Hebrews had worked without rest during their captivity in Egypt. They were not only delivered from slavery but from then on would have the gift of one day out of every seven to rest, to remind them that they had been delivered. The Sabbath is a sign of deliverance.

I am a little confused, are you arguing for the Sabbath or against it? Thanks.

 

[sentipente]

I am a little confused, are you arguing for the Sabbath or against it? Thanks.

For or against in what context? How can you be against what exists unless you have the ability or the authority to get rid of it?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I am a little confused, are you arguing for the Sabbath or against it? Thanks.

What are your thoughts about Sentipente's assertion that the sabbath was a sign of deliverance? Agree or disagree?

BFA

 

[woobadooba]

The Hebrews had worked without rest during their captivity in Egypt. They were not only delivered from slavery but from then on would have the gift of one day out of every seven to rest, to remind them that they had been delivered. The Sabbath is a sign of deliverance.

Let's take a look at the account of the command that you are referring to:

'Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. And remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day. (Deuteronomy 5:12-15 NKJV)

It's true that Deuteronomy makes mention of the fact that they were delivered from the Pharaoh. However, nowhere in the command does it say that the Sabbath was merely given to them as a sign to remember their deliverance.

It could be argued that it was worded this way to remind them that it wasn't just any god who delivered them; it was the Living God who created the heavens and the earth who delivered them from the mighty hand of the Pharaoh, which would make perfect sense because the observance of this command in particular significantly demarcates the difference between those who identify with and worship the God who created the heavens and the earth and those who worship gods that have been created by man.

Let's keep in mind here that man is not the Creator, but the creation of the Living God. So it is fitting that man should remember where he came from and who has the power and authority to deliver him from any force that owes its existence to God--even from the mighty hand of the Pharaoh who was identified as a 'god'.

In fact, the account of the commandment in Exodus takes it all the way back to the creation account. And I believe that it is for the purpose explained above that it does so. That is, to demarcate the difference between the Creator God and the so-called 'gods' that have been created by man. Thus keeping the Sabbath day holy is a sign to disclose that we have embraced the Living God who created the heavens and the earth, and is therefore, as Samuele Bacchiocchi put it, in other words, an act of 'remembering our roots'.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11 NKJV)