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[YahuahSaves]

I'm concentrating on the 'ellaich' there not the Translation of the Tetragrammaton.

Oh, gotya.

Yeah I realized it was another arm of google that has that site. but again, I wasn't concentrating on the Tetragrammaton, but the other part.

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I found another translation site that doesn't appear to be related to G o g g le - it translates it correctly as well

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Yet I see now they are using google for that, let's try the Microsoft

Now we can laugh at microsoft

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Wow they certainly made translation difficult

 

[Der Alte]

How do you know it was?

How do you know it was Pharisees and if so how were they wrong? Please provide credible, verifiable, grammatical, lexical evidence vice unsupported opinion.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There are no links in post #173.

Was that your strongest argument?

Looked up the numbers you provided as your proof...Strongs or bluenote?...I only looked at a couple and they were all the same and proved my point...

 

[HARK!]

Looked up the numbers you provided as your proof...Strongs or bluenote?...I only looked at a couple and they were all the same and proved my point...

Again those numbers were only for reference, for those who might not be able to read Block Script in absence of niqqud; let alone Ancient Hebrew.

You haven't proven anything. You're looking at what King James and crew took at face value from the Masoretes, who rendered what they were speaking of their specific evolving dialect of Hebrew, approximately 1000 years after Israel was dispersed. They were not speaking Ancient Hebrew; and it's doubtful that they were even speaking a dialect that was spoken when Israel was dispersed.

The fact is that you have no proof. All that you have is a tradition of the Masoretes, a faction of the same people who Yahushua rebuked, who blotted Yah's name from his word, and who removed entire books from their canon, that Yahushua and his disciples referenced and quoted as scripture.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Again those numbers were only for reference, for those who might not be able to read Block Script in absence of niqqud; let alone Ancient Hebrew.

You haven't proven anything. You're looking at what King James and crew took at face value from the Masoretes, who rendered what they were speaking of their specific evolving dialect of Hebrew, approximately 1000 years after Israel was dispersed. They were not speaking Ancient Hebrew; and it's doubtful that they were even speaking a dialect that was spoken when Israel was dispersed.

The fact is that you have no proof. All that you have is a tradition of the Masoretes, a faction of the same people who Yahushua rebuked, who blotted Yah's name from his word, and who removed entire books from their canon, that Yahushua and his disciples referenced and quoted as scripture.

The actual language is proof enough. Where is YOUR proof? You think you know better than those who used it for 1000s of years LOL!? Dream on! Nikkud are there for a reason, especially for people like you. They are not usually used in everyday Hebrew, like in Eretz Yisrael, because most everyone knows how to pronounce the words without them. No one uses YaH as a prefix like you do. Nor do they say Yahshua. What does King James have anything to do with it?!? YOU provided those reference #s as proof, not me! Yeshua rebukked their understanding, not the language.

 

[HARK!]

I have WAY more proof than you do

I have yet to see it.

The actual language.

Moderrn Hebrew is not actually Ancient Hebrew. I've covered this ad nauseam. Even modern Hebrew has multiple dialects; and it continues to evolve.

Compare English/Ebonics VS Hebrew/Modern Hebrew.

For your reference:

The Ancient ote Alef, evolved into the Latin A.

In English when we see the letter A in English; we know that it represents the sound of A.

Go figure! Coincidence?

According to the rules of Modern Hebrew, Aleph is silent.

This is ridiculous. The sound that it makes begins its' name. It's the same sound that it makes when it begins the word abba.

Unlike English, where these letters simply indicate a phonetic sound; in Ancient Hebrew, each of the otiot has its' own stand alone meaning, These otiot are building blocks for more complex expressions.

You think you know better than those who used it for 1000s of years

Another ridiculous statement. I gone over this too, ad nauseam. Modern Hebrew has not been spoken for thousands of years; and the Masoretes didn't speak Ancient Hebrew.

Nikkud are there for a reason,

They're there to preserve the Masoretic perversion of Ancient Hebrew.

What does King James have anything to do with it?!?

In case you didn't realize it, Strong simply compiled the various inept translations of the King James crew, and assigned numbers to them.

YOU provided those reference #s as proof,

You are incorrect again. I've told you their purpose. I know why I provided them. Strawman arguments don't prove your case.

Yeshua rebukked them and their understanding, not the language.

Yahushua rebuked them for corrupting Yah's word; and OH how they did it in so many ways.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Modern Hebrew has not been spoken for thousands of years; and the Masoretes didn't speak Ancient Hebrew.

They're there to preserve the Masoretic perversion of Ancient Hebrew.

In case you didn't realize it, Strong simply compiled the various inept translations of the King James crew, and assigned numbers to them.

You are incorrect again. I've told you their purpose. I know why I provided them. Strawman arguments don't prove your case.

Yahushua rebuked them for corrupting Yah's word; and OH how they did it in so many ways.

I never said it was the exact same. I am saying the language was handed down orally and through tradition. Look at Jews in different parts of the world and their old texts and pronunciations...all VERY similar if not the exact same. There is a reason for that. You have no case, just a made up one. You provided them as your proof. It is not a strawman. YOU provided them. So IYO ALL Jews worldwide do not know their own language...but you do? LOL OK bro...

 

[HARK!]

So IYO ALL Jews worldwide do not know their own language...but you do?

Another strawman.

Not all Jews know Ancient Hebrew.

 

[Der Alte]

There are no guessing games. YaH? YeHo? Yo? Theophoric suffixes and prefixes. You can't get those from 2 such different Naming conventions! There are other problems too. Seriously you can't see that???????????

So you are of the opinion that there were absolutely no variations in Hebrew pronunciation in ancient Israel. That they had exactly the same pronunciations throughout all of Israel. That is certainly not true in English in the U.S.

 

[Der Alte]

I assume that you can't read Hebrew; otherwise you would know that Gen 6:4 makes no mention of "men of renown."
השם = Hashem

I do read Hebrew
1906 Jewish Publication Society Genesis 6:4
(4) The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
225 BC LXX Genesis 6:5
(5) Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown [οἱ ἄνθρωποι οἱ ὀνομαστοί.]

 

[HARK!]

I do read Hebrew
1906 Jewish Publication Society Genesis 6:4
(4) The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
225 BC LXX Genesis 6:5
(5) Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown [οἱ ἄνθρωποι οἱ ὀνομαστοί.]

If you can read Hebrew; why are you perpetuating these mistranslations?

 

[Der Alte]

If you can read Hebrew; why are you perpetuating these mistranslations?

One person saying it is a mistranslation don't make it so. Considering that even from 225 BC it was translated "men of renown." or something similar.

 

[HARK!]

One person saying it is a mistranslation don't make it so. Considering that even from 225 BC it was translated "men of renown." or something similar.

Using Egyptians to support the mistranslation doesn't help in any way to render a proper translation.

 

[Der Alte]

Using Egyptians to support the mistranslation doesn't help in any way to render a proper translation.

I doubt that pagan Egyptians had anything to do with translating the LXX.

 

[HARK!]

I doubt that pagan Egyptians had anything to do with translating the LXX.

You're entitled to your doubts.

 

[Der Alte]

You're entitled to your doubts.

Dissuade me with some facts?

 

[HARK!]

Dissuade me with some facts?

I have lots of facts squirreled away in disorganized files.

Funny thing is that I didn't mention Pagan. You did, after I mentioned Egyptians. Seems to me you've been down this road before.

 

[Der Alte]

I have lots of facts squirreled away in disorganized files.
Funny thing is that I didn't mention Pagan. You did, after I mentioned Egyptians. Seems to me you've been down this road before.

In 225 BC what would Egyptians be except pagan? But I don't think Egyptians translated the LXX. It was said to be 70 Jewish scholars thus the name "Septuagint."

 

[HARK!]

In 225 BC what would Egyptians be except pagan?

You tell me

But I don't think Egyptians translated the LXX. It was said to be 70 Jewish scholars thus the name "Septuagint."

This is folklore. Is this folklore the source of your doubts?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So you are of the opinion that there were absolutely no variations in Hebrew pronunciation in ancient Israel. That they had exactly the same pronunciations throughout all of Israel. That is certainly not true in English in the U.S.

I am sure they did, regional dialects and such but certainly not something as important as THIS! The 2 Names in question are VERY different...