WWJD Did Jesus Pray to Mary?

[concretecamper]

When, among the church fathers, was the first mention of this 'Mother of God' title ???

Like 1:43 And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

 

[concretecamper]

Here Jesus identified the will of the Heavenly Father to be more important than the will of His mother.

God's will is most important. His Church never suggests anything different.

 

[concretecamper]

John 19:26
When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”

It doesn't seem that He was relating to her as His eternal Mother at that point.

Perfect example that Jesus has no brothers. If He did, He would not have entrusted His mother to John. Great example!!!!

What it does mean is that our Lord wanted to entrust His mother to someone to take care of her.

 

[prodromos]

When, among the church fathers, was the first mention of this 'Mother of God' title ???

Biblically, as @concretecamper has posted, when Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, referred to Mary as the mother of her Lord.

Historically, the title was given in the Council of Ephesus which defended the doctrine of the Incarnation against the heresy of Nestorianism.

 

[trophy33]

When, among the church fathers, was the first mention of this 'Mother of God' title ???

Origen, around 230 A.D., was the first to use the term in written form, though not extensively.

Athanasius (c. 296–373) and others after him used and defended the title explicitly.

 

[trophy33]

Perfect example that Jesus has no brothers. If He did, He would not have entrusted His mother to John.

Whom do you think she was "entrusted" to when Jesus was travelling and preaching all over Israel for 3 years?

 

[David Lamb]

Nor do we have anything forbidding it except Protestant doctrines.

That's because those doctrines are based on God's word.

 

[David Lamb]

Perfect example that Jesus has no brothers. If He did, He would not have entrusted His mother to John. Great example!!!!

What it does mean is that our Lord wanted to entrust His mother to someone to take care of her.

Not at all. To start with, His brothers didn't believe in Him. Jesus gave Mary into John's care to ensure that she was in the care of a Christian believer. Only later do we read of some of His brothers, James for instance, believing in Him:

“But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.” (Ga 1:19 NKJV)

 

[Carl Emerson]

Perfect example that Jesus has no brothers. If He did, He would not have entrusted His mother to John. Great example!!!!

What it does mean is that our Lord wanted to entrust His mother to someone to take care of her.

Really - how do you explain Jesus having brothers in other passages ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Biblically, as @concretecamper has posted, when Elizabeth, filled with the Holy Spirit, referred to Mary as the mother of her Lord.

Historically, the title was given in the Council of Ephesus which defended the doctrine of the Incarnation against the heresy of Nestorianism.

So 400 years passed before the title 'mother of God' was in useage by any Church Fathers.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Origen, around 230 A.D., was the first to use the term in written form, though not extensively.

Athanasius (c. 296–373) and others after him used and defended the title explicitly.

Why do you think the Title did not find inclusion in the Apostles Creed or the Nicene Creed ?

 

[trophy33]

Why do you think the Title did not find inclusion in the Apostles Creed or the Nicene Creed ?

They tried to keep these creeds minimalistic. They included only what they saw as the most important. Or maybe least controversial.

 

[Carl Emerson]

They tried to keep these creeds minimalistic. They included only what they saw as the most important. Or maybe least controversial.

So Mary being the Mother of God the Father is not important ??

 

[trophy33]

So Mary being the Mother of God the Father is not important ??

This title is not the most important issue and it is controversial.

 

[prodromos]

So 400 years passed before the title 'mother of God' was in useage by any Church Fathers.

There was not the Christological heresy that made it necessary during that time.

 

[jas3]

So Mary being the Mother of God the Father is not important ??

It seems like you don't understand the basics of Trinitarianism if you think Mary being the Mother of God due to having borne the Son implies she's the mother of the Father.

 

[Jipsah]

That's because those doctrines are based on God's word.

Except when they're not. "Take, eat, this is My Body" "Oh, but He couldn't have meant that literally!", right?

 

[Jipsah]

So 400 years passed before the title 'mother of God' was in useage by any Church Fathers.

This is a pretty simple question, do we worship one God or three? Is Christ God, or a God? God Himself, Incarnate, or a part of God? I thought that issue had been settled when the Arians and Nestorians were told to give their rubbish a rest, but apparently not. Now y'all are telling us that the BVM is the mother of parts of God, but only parts. I'm really keen to hear how that works. "Holy Mary, Mother of some physical parts of God, pray for us sinners...".

This is the sort of thing that drove me away from "evangelical" Protestantism in the first place.

 

[concretecamper]

Whom do you think she was "entrusted" to when Jesus was travelling and preaching all over Israel for 3 years?

No one. Why would you assume she wasn't with Him?

 

[Jipsah]

So Mary being the Mother of God the Father is not important ??

Is the Father God, or part of God? Is Christ God or part of God? "God in Three Pieces, blessed Trinity"?