Wounded Las Vegas Witness Claims "100% Multiple Shooters," Says Other Witnesses He Knows Say Same

[AirPo]

I understand. But to me that's more consistent with a CIA cover for arms transfers than it is a case for someone being capable of opening up on an entire concert worth of people.

You can think whatever you want. But that's the kind of crazy, unprovable that makes it a conspiracy theory.

 

[rawo]

If there were veterans whove been in combat saying the same thing, this would have more credibility. An untrained person in a bedlam situation like that would be understandably confused by richochets, echos and repeated gunfire. I am not saying there couldn't have been more than 1 shooter but after every tragedy like this there's no shortage of conspiracy theories circulating.

How does an echo take 40 seconds to answer, in a long, sustained burst with no originating sound event? Here you can see muzzle flashes from the fourth floor, not the 342nd.

 

[Tanj]

How does an echo take 40 seconds to answer, in a long, sustained burst with no originating sound event? Here you can see muzzle flashes from the fourth floor, not the 342nd.

Why were no 4th floor windows broken?

 

[High Fidelity]

You don't need to be a detective with 20 years under their belt to figure out what happened.

It sounded like multiple shooters from a distance because of the echo and variance in fire rate, but as soon as you see the closer videos, there's less echo and the variance in fire rate is patently obvious and characteristic of bump-firing.

I'm sorry these folks suffered the way they did, but this sort of thing isn't going to help things.

 

[bhsmte]

Why were no 4th floor windows broken?

The shooter brought an extra window and replaced it

 

[rawo]

The shooter brought an extra window and replaced it

Did you not see the muzzle flashes and hear the gun in synch? Doesn't this merit further investigation? Window could have been removed with a heat element and replaced. Don't you know how they replace windows in these kinds of structures? Why not investigate what kind of window it was?

The problem is you are totally ready to dismiss this and accumulated evidence given the least "out," like no window broken. That's what a sheep is.

 

[rawo]

You don't need to be a detective with 20 years under their belt to figure out what happened.

It sounded like multiple shooters from a distance because of the echo and variance in fire rate, but as soon as you see the closer videos, there's less echo and the variance in fire rate is patently obvious and characteristic of bump-firing.

I'm sorry these folks suffered the way they did, but this sort of thing isn't going to help things.

So echos now take 40 seconds to come back and are longer?

 

[bhsmte]

Did you not see the muzzle flashes and hear the gun in synch? Doesn't this merit further investigation? Window could have been removed with a heat element and replaced. Don't you know how they replace windows in these kinds of structures? Why not investigate what kind of window it was?

The problem is you are totally ready to dismiss this and accumulated evidence given the least "out," like no window broken. That's what a sheep is.

LOL

 

[keith99]

Did you not see the muzzle flashes and hear the gun in synch? Doesn't this merit further investigation? Window could have been removed with a heat element and replaced. Don't you know how they replace windows in these kinds of structures? Why not investigate what kind of window it was?

The problem is you are totally ready to dismiss this and accumulated evidence given the least "out," like no window broken. That's what a sheep is.

You do realize a broken window leaves evidence, right? Things like broken glass. And if replaced there will be new caulking and perhaps fresh tool marks. Oh and typical hotel windows are fair sized, not all that easy to bring in or out.

And even more to the point why would any coordinated attack use 2 positions in the same hotel instead of positions in other locations to give a far more damaging and confusing pattern of fire?

 

[rawo]

duplicate

 

[rawo]

You do realize a broken window leaves evidence, right? Things like broken glass. And if replaced there will be new caulking and perhaps fresh tool marks. Oh and typical hotel windows are fair sized, not all that easy to bring in or out.

And even more to the point why would any coordinated attack use 2 positions in the same hotel instead of positions in other locations to give a far more damaging and confusing pattern of fire?

You are thinking backwards. It is not for me to say why they would put a shooter there. That fact remains those are muzzle flashes and you can hear and see the gunfire, from a random taxi driver who obviously just stumbled on it and started recording. If you want answers call for an investigation, local authorities only, not FBI which means cover-up.

Many kinds of high-rise windows can be removed easily and replaced, you don't need to beak the window. In 2000, an Israeli artists' group called Gelatin removed a window from the World Trade Center temporarily, from the inside, for an art project, and then put it back. Interviewed by the New York Times, Walter Friedman, owner of Dependable Glass, which performed that service for the World Trade Center, told the Times it is not that difficult.

 

[High Fidelity]

It's like people are desperate for conspiracies to be true. How sad.

 

[comana]

It's like people are desperate for conspiracies to be true. How sad.

Some people are. I recently came across this: Why some people are more likely to believe wild conspiracy theories than others
In summary believing conspiracy theories makes the believer feel special because they think they have some deeper knowledge of the truth.

 

[variant]

Like JFK, all over again. Eye witness accounts during high stress, are not very reliable.

Its safe to assume that most people who are at the scene and under stress don't qualify as ballistics, firearms and crime scene experts.

The problem with a conspiracy theory is that you have throw out all the people who ARE experts because they are somehow all "in on it".

 

[variant]

It's like people are desperate for conspiracies to be true. How sad.

Psychologically, yes some people do.

It is thought to come from a feeling of a lack of control which is heightened by terrible events.

Here's Why People Believe In Conspiracy Theories

Try to be patient and understanding with people, they are suffering from being human.

 

[rawo]

It's like people are desperate for conspiracies to be true. How sad.

Some people are desperate to avoid confronting evidence which leads to conclusions which frighten them, and make them feel not safe, so they engage in unqualified psychobabble about why people do not believe the government story. If you address the evidence and arguments in the post and rebut them on the basis of facts that would be different. Instead you pass a judgement without even looking at it, which is just ignorant in any situation.

 

[High Fidelity]

Some people are desperate to avoid confronting evidence which leads to conclusions which frighten them, and make them feel not safe, so they engage in unqualified psychobabble about why people do not believe the government story. If you address the evidence and arguments in the post and rebut them on the basis of facts that would be different. Instead you pass a judgement without even looking at it, which is just ignorant in any situation.

I've seen more than enough footage to reach the only possible conclusion after said observation.

 

[keith99]

You are thinking backwards. It is not for me to say why they would put a shooter there. That fact remains those are muzzle flashes and you can hear and see the gunfire, from a random taxi driver who obviously just stumbled on it and started recording. If you want answers call for an investigation, local authorities only, not FBI which means cover-up.

Many kinds of high-rise windows can be removed easily and replaced, you don't need to beak the window. In 2000, an Israeli artists' group called Gelatin removed a window from the World Trade Center temporarily, from the inside, for an art project, and then put it back. Interviewed by the New York Times, Walter Friedman, owner of Dependable Glass, which performed that service for the World Trade Center, told the Times it is not that difficult.

Just where in the video are the supposed muzzle flashes? I want to be sure I'm looking at teh right part of a 10 minute video.

 

[keith99]

The second video in the OP has a woman claiming far more than one shooter with 'them' on the ground and back parking lot. Yet somehow these shooters seem to have perfectly policed their brass.

Also if there were shooters as she describes there would be scores of witnesses and one would expect at least one who could give a description.

 

[keith99]

Doh. I'm slow today.

So someone removed a window on the 4th floor, shot an automatic weapon multiple times, replaced the window and policed their brass.

OK

How about the smell of powder and for that matter residue? Or did they spend a day cleaning that up?

EDIT: Result of a quick search to see if the 4th floor had any smoking rooms:

Mandalay Bay has just two floors of smoking-friendly rooms (the 10th and 61st).Oct 17, 2016

That makes it even more absurd that the smell could go unnoticed.