Would you support a 'Christian Zone'?

[Moxie123]

Ok, fine, so everyone in the government is a servant. That doesn't explain why you won't vote or why you don't think we need government.

You are associating the word "government" with "babysitter" LOL

Babysitter is what we have now as a government. What we need are public servants who uphold their oaths of office under God, not under Caesar, and who work to preserve peace, not fund a private corporation called the U.S.

Why do I not vote? The elections are all THEATER. People think it's real, but it's acting. Those are actors are mocking the masses. The elections are determined long before the vote is cast. AND the candidates are double-minded, even if they say they serve God.

I am no longer part of the corporation since I rescinded my voter registration, so I do not qualify to vote, and I sleep much better at night!

 

[Dave Ellis]

No they are not. I'm talking about a real spirit. I'm not using a metaphor but I'm talking about Gods spirit which is alive.

Can you demonstrate that to be true?

 

[Dave Ellis]

The world is not the Church. Its called to be holy which means to be separate from the world. The world doesn't have Gods spirit but instead a spirit the bible refers to as the "spirit of the world".

If it's meant to be separate from the world, and that's what you really care about, then why are you so concerned with the government?

 

[TLK Valentine]

You are associating the word "government" with "babysitter" LOL

Babysitter is what we have now as a government. What we need are public servants who uphold their oaths of office under God, not under Caesar, and who work to preserve peace, not fund a private corporation called the U.S.

Why "under God"?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Let's start with the premise that the Bible contains instruction from God how people should behave in a Godly society.

Bad premise . (There is no godly society)

Scripture calls mankind/society ungodly, pernicious*, stupid, blind, naked, perverse, ... ....

*pernicious - evil, wicked, vile, so bad that they're not willing to leave others alone but insist on dragging everyone else down in evil with them.
(from Galatians and Revelation and Ephesians; and like sodom and gomorrah)

 

[Moxie123]

Why do we need any leaders at all -- human or otherwise?

Agreed: many people do not need leaders, and many of them are God's people.

I want God for my leader, because I have discovered that His laws are supreme to man's laws. God's laws always hold up in a private court of law, too! Most of man's laws are controlling people for the wrong reasons. Man's laws change constantly. God's laws never change.

 

[W2L]

No gods, no masters...

God is not a master but a friend, and a father. He masters our wickedness because its not our friend but our enemy.

 

[W2L]

Can you demonstrate that to be true?

Only God can do that. God reveals himself, we don't reveal him. God isn't a "thing" that we can put under a microscope. He is the creator. The best thing we can do is let his light shine through us.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I am no longer part of the corporation since I rescinded my voter registration, so I do not qualify to vote, and I sleep much better at night!

Over , well , decades ago,
I was crucified with Christ --- became dead to the world and the world dead to me... (Jesus route/way, not the 'legal' route/way) ....
and
ALWAYS sleep good. Perfect rest every night for decades, no matter what persecutions , problems, or troubles I'm right in the middle of (including when having no place to lay my head (no house nor bed to rest in) ) ....
YHWH GIVES His Beloved Rest (Sleep).
YESHUA the GOOD SHEPHERD leads us in the Way of Blessing (self-sacrifice, not 'getting') and green pastures and peaceful waters and with the free gifts of Righteousness , Peace and Joy (no depressoin) along with eternal life.....
all promised clearly and simply in His Word...

p.s. many of the first century and later ekklesia born again,
were called idiots and simpletons (dull minded) because they REFUSED to take part in POLITICS and other schemes of this world and the devil,
and because
they remained JOY FILLED even when their possessions were taken from them and they did not count anything as their own.
they did not worry when others short changed them viciously and stole their personal tools and clothes and houses etc etc etc
nor when the were arrested , tortured, imprisoned, beaten , and martyred.

rather they "had the face of an angel"(often) even as Stephen did while being stoned to death.

 

[W2L]

If it's meant to be separate from the world, and that's what you really care about, then why are you so concerned with the government?

I'm not concerned about the government, only the Church.

 

[Moxie123]

And why do christians alone, disagree on their interpretation of god's law?

How would these disagreements be resolved, amongst christians?

Great question!

Christians do disagree on some interpretations of God's law. Some Christians depend on attorneys and other legal eagles to interpret law for them, including how God's law and man's law co-exist on one land. I am trying to shine understanding between the two by being on this forum.

The simplest law in a Christian community would be based on common law: if a man is harmed or his property is injured or lost, the man who harmed will compensate and restore the harmed man and his property. This is loving your neighbor as yourself. Most Christians have a conscience to cooperate this way if they are familiar with scripture and take it to heart.

If for some reason, working it out in private is not forthcoming, the matter could be heard before elders of the land to help solve the problem.

In the Old Testament, there were judges and elders and secretaries in the land who could help out with matters among God's people.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why do we need any leaders at all -- human or otherwise?

As Jesus said to pray for them that they may maintain 'peace' as much as possible and
that we may live in peace as much as possible with all men, but without compromise nor ever denying Jesus.

The leaders are set in place by God for His Purposes, to maintain order.
The enemy(a shocking revelation, getting all the nations of the world to commit fornicaton) stirs them up to war and violence against innocents and
to protect criminals ....

 

[Cearbhall]

You are associating the word "government" with "babysitter" LOL

Where?

Babysitter is what we have now as a government. What we need are public servants who uphold their oaths of office under God, not under Caesar

Do I not have the right to live in something besides a theocracy?

 

[Moxie123]

God Almighty expects people to use their brains & to use their rights. It's just dumb to pretend like humans in charge haven't caused colossal damage.

I agree 100%.

 

[Moxie123]

Where?

Not literally, just implied. You were wondering why I don't vote or believe we need government, and we all know today's government is just a population babysitter. Granted, some people need that kind of management, but many don't.

 

[Moxie123]

I can't vote but I def. would if I could bc that's just being responsible & using a right that you're super lucky to have.

Actually voting isn't a right, it's a privilege because you have to sign up for it and bear the burden of that benefit.

"Civil rights" are not really rights, they are actually privileges. A privilege is granted by a higher man-made authority.

 

[Cearbhall]

Not literally, just implied. You were wondering why I don't vote or believe we need government, and we all know today's government is just a population babysitter.

You think that's all government does? Let me think about how I've used government in the last few weeks...every time I drove on a road, for starters. I go to the public library frequently. I deposited my paycheck into a bank account that's insured by the government, should the bank fail. I felt safe when I saw police patrolling. City workers came by and checked the telephone poles. I heard a street cleaner go by in the middle of the night. My mail is delivered promptly six days a week.

 

[Moxie123]

You do realize that whether you decide to vote or not on Election Day, people are still going to be elected, & those people will have influence over the quality of life of people, right? I think we should care about the lives of others & take action.

Not voting is also making a public statement .

God's people help LOTS of needy people every single day without any politician's help!

 

[Moxie123]

No gods, no masters...

What method will you use to resolve conflicts?

 

[Moxie123]

Why "under God"?

You have the freedom to live your life without God.

But in a Christian community, which is the thread's topic, of course, under God.

Public servants' Oaths of office under the dejure Constitution were always under God. Then the secular government added themselves to it and stopped taking the oath.