Would you quit your job if?

[JohnR7]

then invest all my money and write books on why creationism is a myth with the money I make off my investments.

I remember a guy who was a singer for black sabbath or some group like that. He got saved and became a christian and then he spent years trying to undo the harm he had done.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

I remember a guy who was a singer for black sabbath or some group like that. He got saved and became a christian and then he spent years trying to undo the harm he had done.

sounds like Glenn Morton's motivation in the evolution creation discussion as well, trying to undo all the damage he did when a YECist.

After receiving a B. S. in Physics I spent one year in graduate school studying the philosophy of science. I entered the oil industry as a seismic processor where I began to learn geology on the job. Before this education in geology was complete, I published 27 articles and notes in the Creation Research Society Quarterly, presented a paper at the first International Conference on Creationism, and ghost wrote the evolution section in Josh McDowell's book Reasons Skeptics Should Consider Christianity. During this period I switched sub-disciplines within geophysics and began to interpret seismic data. There was a major problem; the data I was seeing at work, was not agreeing with what I had been taught as a Christian. Doubts about what I was writing and teaching began to grow. Unfortunately, my fellow young earth creationists were not willing to listen to the problems.


By 1986, the growing doubts about the ability of the widely accepted creationist viewpoints to explain the geologic data led to a nearly 10 year withdrawal from publication. Eventually my doubts about the reliability grew so large that I was driven to the edge of becoming an atheist. In this crisis of faith, the views presented in this book were formed. It is the my hope that the views presented in the here on the web page and in my books will help others avoid the type of intellectual and spiritual crisis that I went through.

from: http://home.entouch.net/dmd/auth.htm

and as a result he is one of the best writers on the topic on the net.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I remember a guy who was a singer for black sabbath or some group like that. He got saved and became a christian and then he spent years trying to undo the harm he had done.

The singer for Black Sabbath was Ozzy Osborne. Try again.

 

[Pats]

Unless of course your talking Harvard Business school. Then you can plan on making your first million by the time your 30. Well, maybe in this day and age it would be your first billion.

I can't imagine Harvard Buiseness school having classes teaching creationism as anything other than a religious theology.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

One question, would this job force me to tell lies while teaching creationism, or could I be honest about it?

 

[Battie]

Depends on the class. If it were in current events or in philosophy, I'd probably be fine. I would only be willing to mention it in science class but not teach it as truth. Otherwise, they'd have to fire me.

 

[JohnR7]

One question, would this job force me to tell lies while teaching creationism, or could I be honest about it?

Wow, what a set up this question is By all means you would have to tell the truth. This would be a job where you are not allowed to lie. So does that mean that most evos would quit their job rather then to be forced to tell people the truth?

It is another exclusive for Christian Forums. Remember you heard it here first

 

[JohnR7]

I would only be willing to mention it in science class but not teach it as truth. Otherwise, they'd have to fire me.

So you do not think that Creationism is the "truth". Do you know what creationism is? Just what do you believe is NOT true?

TE, OEC, YEC, GAP are all Creationism. So do you think that TE is not true?

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Wow, what a set up this question is By all means you would have to tell the truth. This would be a job where you are not allowed to lie. So does that mean that most evos would quit their job rather then to be forced to tell people the truth?

It is another exclusive for Christian Forums. Remember you heard it here first

Well if I was not forced to lie, I could rip creationism apart in about five minutes, maybe a whole class period if I felt like really shining the light of truth on the rats that are creationists. So yes, I would take that job.

A nice teaching job and permission to expose creationists for the liars that they are, nice.

And no TE is not a form of creationism, it may be a view on creation, but unlike creationism, it does not seek to supplant Christianity with a new doctrine.

 

[JGL53]

So you do not think that Creationism is the "truth". Do you know what creationism is? Just what do you believe is NOT true?

TE, OEC, YEC, GAP are all Creationism. So do you think that TE is not true?

JohnR7 -

If creationism instead of evolution were taught in science class, then we would only have ONE class per year that would last less than TWO SECONDS - just long enough for the "teacher" to say "goddidit", then all the students could go home for the year.

Is that your idea of a science education - mouthing a superstition that puts us on the same level as hunter-gatherer tribesmen?

Please.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

So you do not think that Creationism is the "truth". Do you know what creationism is? Just what do you believe is NOT true?

TE, OEC, YEC, GAP are all Creationism. So do you think that TE is not true?

No, TE is not creationism. Creationism is opposed to evolutionary theory; TE is not. It is, however, a common tactic by creationists to try to get ANY belief that a god created classed as creationism - in this why they hope to legitimise their own beliefs. Nice try, but nobody's buying.

 

[DailyBlessings]

Not everyone who believes in the Creation is a creationist, any more than every person who holds fundamental beliefs is a fundamentalist.

 

[Rusticus]

What do you mean by teach creationism?

If it were a course examining the various forms of creationism (of which christian creationism is only one of many) then I think it would make for fascinating teaching. I imagine a course along the lines of comparative religion, but called "comparative creationism".
In that case the answer would be yes.

Otherwise no. Because creationism is a superstition.

 

[Rusticus]

What do you mean by teach creationism?

If it were a course examining the various forms of creationism (of which christian creationism is only one of many) then I think it would make for fascinating teaching. I imagine a course along the lines of comparative religion, but called "comparative creationism".
In that case the answer would be yes.

Otherwise no. Because creationism is a superstition.

BTW the yes and no are the wrong way around. I thought the question was would you keep your job.
But the meaning of the answeres are clear nevertheless.....

 

[Edx]

Teach it as if it were true? No.

 

[JohnR7]

No, TE is not creationism.

Yeah it is, we took a survey on this very fourm and more then half the people here said that TE is creationism. Perhaps you are thinking of creationism in a narrow way like YEC or something like that.

Anyone that believes in God is a creationist. That means that the vast majority of the people in this country are creationists.

 

[JohnR7]

I thought the question was would you keep your job.

Really, the question was, what is more important, job security or the truth. For the most part most people responded that what they believe to be true is more important then job security, even if it was their dream job that they always hoped for. There were a few people who felt there was a way around it and did not think it would be a problem in the real world.

 

[Edx]

Yeah it is, we took a survey on this very fourm and more then half the people here said that TE is creationism. Perhaps you are thinking of creationism in a narrow way like YEC or something like that.

Anyone that believes in God is a creationist. That means that the vast majority of the people in this country are creationists.

Difference is John TEs have no problem with the science of Evolution.

They realise their faith is faith.

 

[Rusticus]

The two definition for creationism at dictionary.com are:

"Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible."
and
"the literal belief in the account of creation given in the Book of Genesis; "creationism denies the theory of evolution of species""


Theistic Evolution does not fall within these definitions.

 

[Stinker]

Pesonally, I think Theistic Evolutionists have most reasonable position of any of the theory holders.