Would you prefer it if “Christian universalism” were true?

[GenemZ]

This is one of the best arguments for Christian universalism I've ever seen, thanks.

Please! Here's your chance! Show us how!

I said...

He tortures them because they would always harass others who do worship God, trying to make their joy to be a hell for them.

Now, ah? Show how that is one of the best arguments for universalism!

 

[Cormack]

Please! Here's your chance! Show us how!

Until you humble yourself, then answer and converse on the earlier questions, I’m seeing no good reason that @Hmm should answer you.

Q 1. Would you prefer it if “Christian universalism” were true?

Ignored.

Q 2. Would you prefer it if your views were in error but the whole of the world will be saved?

Dodged.

Q 3. Would you like to rethink your use of the word torture as it relates to God?

Dodged.

Q 4. Do you believe God is going to torture people?

Dodged.

 

[Hmm]

Please! Here's your chance! Show us how!

I said...

He tortures them because they would always harass others who do worship God, trying to make their joy to be a hell for them.

Now, ah? Show how that is one of the best arguments for universalism!

Easy. I can do it standing on my head, blindfolded or with one had tied behind my back - your choice, just let me know.

Your anti-universalist argument is that you believe in a God who tortures. No need to say more.

 

[GenemZ]

No sir. Now my question. Would you like to rethink your use of the word torture as it relates to God.

Do you believe God is going to torture people?

By making them forever know what they would make life for others if they were promoted to the power God is going to grant all those who believe in Him.

Do you realize that Lucifer used to light the earth and bring in the mornings of the previous creation? That he harbored great light and "heat" in his design? Looks like Lucifer was the mysterious meteor that scientist say could have brought the extinction of many dinosaurs and life on earth....

And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall down, like lightning, from Heaven. Lk 10:18

Only some angels were called "morning stars." They were not created like all the other angels. These ones were producers of great lights before God gave us the sun, moon, and stars in Genesis One. They were an active part of the eco system in the prehistoric worlds.

See how much you would need to learn about in order to see why things are to be the way they are?

Are you willing to learn?

 

[Cormack]

Easy. I can do it standing on my head, blindfolded or with one had tied behind my back - your choice, just let me know.

I’m @genez’s lawyer, he doesn’t have to answer that! He doesn’t have to answer anything!

 

[Cormack]

By making them forever know what they would make life for others if they were promoted to the power God is going to grant all those who believe in Him.

Do you realize that Lucifer used to light the earth and bring in the mornings of the previous creation? That he harbored great light and "heat" in his design? Looks like Lucifer was the mysterious meteor that scientist say could have brought the extinction of many dinosaurs and life on earth....

And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall down, like lightning, from Heaven. Lk 10:18

Only some angels were called "morning stars." They were not created like all the other angels. These ones were producers of great lights before God gave us the sun, moon, and stars in Genesis One. They were an active part of the eco system in the prehistoric worlds.

See how much you would need to learn about in order to see why things are to be the way they are?

Are you willing to learn?

That didn’t answer my question. You quoted my question but none of that answers the question. Simply put “do you believe God is going to torture people forever?” Yes or no.

 

[Cormack]

Are you willing to learn?

If I were attempting to learn, good sir, I’d have to go and find someone who was prepared to answer the bloomin’ question!

 

[GenemZ]

Until you humble yourself, then answer and converse on the earlier questions, I’m seeing no good reason that @Hmm should answer you.

Q 1. Would you prefer it if “Christian universalism” were true?

Ignored.

Q 2. Would you prefer it if your views were in error but the whole of the world will be saved?

Dodged.

Q 3. Would you like to rethink your use of the word torture as it relates to God?

Dodged.

Q 4. Do you believe God is going to torture people?

Dodged.

I believe God will mete out Divine Justice. Justice that only Omniscience can decree.

I also believe you do not understand God. And, that you want to recreate God into your own liking.


Q 1. Would you prefer it if “Christian universalism” were true?

If I were devoid of knowledge of God's word and only thought on a subjective emotional level? Yes.

Q 2. Would you prefer it if your views were in error but the whole of the world will be saved?

Only if I wish God were a liar.

Q 3. Would you like to rethink your use of the word torture as it relates to God?

Isn't spanking a snotty child a form of mild torture?

Q 4. Do you believe God is going to torture people?

Personally? No. God is going to leave them to their own devices that will be materialized to make them aware of why they are where they will find themselves. For evil would make your life torment and torture if it had the power to do so.

Torments is to constantly remind them why they are there. "For this is what you would do to others if promoted into the realm of freedom I have planned for those who love me."

God is not shallow as you would have him to be.

 

[GenemZ]

That didn’t answer my question. You quoted my question but none of that answers the question. Simply put “do you believe God is going to torture people forever?” Yes or no.

Who are you? Righteous? Yes or no.

 

[GenemZ]

That didn’t answer my question. You quoted my question but none of that answers the question. Simply put “do you believe God is going to torture people forever?” Yes or no.

I did answer your questions.

Look again.

 

[Cormack]

Q 4. Do you believe God is going to torture people?

Personally? No. God is going to leave them to their own devices that will be materialized to make them aware of why they are where they will find themselves.

This is an answer. That’s the only answer you’ve provided. You refused the hypothetical nature of the thread for questions one and two and you “answered” question three with a question.

Still I believe when people do things appropriately they should be praised for doing things appropriately. So, well done. You answered question four and that’s very helpful.

You don’t believe God is a cosmic torturer despite writing earlier that God would torture people.

Rather than double down on an awful idea you’ve stepped away from it and taken up something more reasonable.

I could glean your answer for question three from your answer to question four. Yes, yes you would like to rethink and rephrase your use of the word torture as it relates to Gods actions.

And you’re only being racked across the coals for it because you’ve taken such a long time to distance yourself from an impulsive misused of one word.

Still. . . better late than never.

 

[Cormack]

I did answer your questions.

You answered a question. Singular. Seems as though you’re the one in need of learning my friend, since you need to repair your views on God as a divine torturer after such a brief exchange.

 

[GenemZ]

This is an answer. That’s the only answer you’ve provided. You refused the hypothetical nature of the thread for questions one and two and you “answered” question three with a question.

Still I believe when people do things appropriately they should be praised for doing things appropriately. So, well done. You answered question four and that’s very helpful.

You don’t believe God is a cosmic torturer despite writing earlier that God would torture people.

God will torture. Isn't a spanking a mild form of torture? Well, the Greek literally says that God will skin alive (scourge) those whom He receives as sons..

For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.” Heb 12:6

When I got saved the Lord made my life extremely painful .... But, he also gave me reasons to hope to endure it.


If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons;
for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if
you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers,
then you are illegitimate and not sons." Heb 12:7-8


If you don't receive scourging after you are saved? He can never have a truly honest son.

 

[Hmm]

God will torture. Isn't a spanking a mild form of torture? Well, the Greek literally says that God will skin alive (scourge) those whom He receives as sons..

Disturbing comment.

 

[Cormack]

Your replies to the question “Do you believe God is going to torture?”

Answer 1: No, he won’t torture.

Q 4. Do you believe God is going to torture people?

Personally? No. God is going to leave them to their own devices that will be materialized to make them aware of why they are where they will find themselves.

Answer 2: Yes, he will torture.

God will torture.

I’m afraid you’re just making this up as you go.

 

[Cormack]

Unbelievers tortured. . .

He tortures them because they would always harass others who do worship God, trying to make their joy to be a hell for them.

Unbelievers not tortured. . .

Q 4. Do you believe God is going to torture people?

Personally? No. God is going to leave them to their own devices that will be materialized to make them aware of why they are where they will find themselves.

Believers tortured (!)

Isn't a spanking a mild form of torture? Well, the Greek literally says that God will skin alive (scourge) those whom He receives as sons..

Are you still here to teach people?

 

[GenemZ]

Disturbing comment.

Not to those whom God has a hand upon, and brings into a peace that the world can not know.

No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however,
it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been
trained by it." Heb 12:11

Not all who claim to be Christian would be willing to take up their cross and deny self in order to be his disciple. Many want the soft life, one that Satan will attempt to provide them as to keep them from knowing Christ after they are saved....


Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me." Mat 16:24

The ones wanting to be pampered need not apply. Jesus builds real men and women.

 

[GenemZ]

Unbelievers tortured. . .



Unbelievers not tortured. . .



Believers tortured (!)



Are you still here to teach people?

You are the one who messed up. Bet you will not find your mistakes.

 

[Hmm]

Not to those whom God has a hand upon, and brings into a peace that the world can not know.

Your peace is tangible and comes across in your every word. Sleep well.

 

[Cormack]

You are the one who messed up. Bet you will not find your mistakes.

I don’t think I will, sir. Have a wonderful day though.