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No, I'm accusing the theologians of slander.God is impassive. To speak of God getting "angry" is incorrect. The measures God takes in judgment are not a matter of malice or ill will against the perpetrators, but because retribution is a required dimension of justice. Are you accusing God of sin?
Right, are you also accusing God of slander when He says "Be assured, an evil person will not go unpunished, but the offspring of the righteous will be delivered." And what you speak of are anthropomorphisms, where God has chosen to relate to us in terms that we can understand. God does not experience emotions as we do, His wrath is not full of malice and contempt.No, I'm accusing the theologians of slander.
Besides, I get 96 results for a Bible search on "anger of the lord". Yet you say, "incorrect".
BibleGateway - Keyword Search: anger of the lord
By the time we get to Genesis chapter six God destroys the planet with a global flood killing everything except Noah, his family and a boatload of animals. So far, so good.Right, are you also accusing God of slander when He says "Be assured, an evil person will not go unpunished, but the offspring of the righteous will be delivered." And what you speak of are anthropomorphisms, where God has chosen to relate to us in terms that we can understand. God does not experience emotions as we do, His wrath is not full of malice and contempt.
Oh, so you do stand in judgment of God. You are the judge of the Bible, now? How do you know what you know about God? Or are you simply creating a god to your liking?By the time we get to Genesis chapter six God destroys the planet with a global flood killing everything except Noah, his family and a boatload of animals. So far, so good.
What did he order to have done with the Canaanites? More genocide.
Oh course, that's if you take the Bible literally.
That's exactly what the writers of the Bible did. Wrote their views about God. Views from their perspective.Or are you simply creating a god to your liking?
So then what is the basis of your understanding of God?That's exactly what the writers of the Bible did. Wrote their views about God. Views from their perspective.
My whole life experience to date. I'm a recovering Evangelical.So then what is the basis of your understanding of God?
Sounds like you need to re-read the topic question. But anyway...
So, let me see if I understand the plan that you are giving your stamp of approval to.
The vast majority of all human souls have been predestined to suffer eternal conscious torment (being burned alive, but kept alive to maximize the torture) with no hope of escape. The vast majority of those having never so much as heard the name of Jesus. (countless billions)
Is that the plan you approve of? Pretty sick. But no one could have a better plan than that, because hey it's God, who could do better than God, right?
Perhaps you are mistaken about God's wonderful plan. Because the plan you claim to be God's is pretty messed up.
I understand that you can't wrap your head around the process. You need to do your homework if you want to understand. Links below.
But you probably don't want to understand, only to argue. Right?
The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1
Christ Triumphant, by Thomas Allin
Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin
Brad Jersak - The Gospel in Chairs - Session 1 (FGC 2016) Credits: Forgotten Gospel Conference - www.theforgottengospel.com
That's exactly what the writers of the Bible did. Wrote their views about God. Views from their perspective.
I don’t do commentaries but if you can explain how universalism doesn’t contradict Matthew 7:21-23 then I’m all ears. Other than that your opinions as to whether or not God is justified in His decision is irrelevant. I don’t regard the opinions of man over the word of God. Sorry
Like God in the OT destroying peoples and nations?
I object to your characterization of God.
Oh, so you do stand in judgment of God. You are the judge of the Bible, now? How do you know what you know about God? Or are you simply creating a god to your liking?
In the right now very narrow and very limited view and vision of my own understanding/human heart, I maybe would prefer it to be true right now, I think maybe, etc, but also know also that not only is it "not what the Bible teaches/says", but also think in a much much broader and deeper view or vision of things, it's probably not very realistic, nor very wise, etc, to allow all in always, etc, no matter how much time has passed and/or has been given/elapsed, etc...So for everyone who isn’t a believer in the universal reconciliation of all things, would you prefer that universalism were true?
A simple yes or no answer to start your response would be great, then the rationale behind why you have picked either yes or no.
There can be a "reconciling" or peace, and a non-imputation of their trespasses against them, or between them and God the Spirit, and still not all go Heaven, etc, because that is not why people go there, or don't go there, etc...God's implemented plan is that Society is being redeemed by the Atonement of Christ's blood and the power of the Holy Spirit via the Church. Christ's Church is carrying out God's plan for bringing the reconciliation of the Cross to all nations and we cannot fail (Matthew 16:18-19):
2 Corinthians 5:18-20
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as God did beseech you by us
So we can see that at this time God is reconciling all the world unto himself, per His Plan to do so.
God's plan is for us to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (John 3:16-17) and rules over (Revelation 1:5; Matthew 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Romans 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 3:22).
Jesus loves the world and reconciled it unto Him. That's the Plan.
We are to love the Plan Jesus loves.
That's ridiculous. I trust God just fine.Thats the problem with your theology, you don’t trust Him.
Now do I believe it is "conscious" torment...?
Do you feel there’s one true blue biblical view on hell and the rest are a heretical aberration?
We are both working from a presumption. I have a chosen view of the final judgment and you have chosen another view. Both views are biblical. (and contradictory)I don’t do commentaries but if you can explain how universalism doesn’t contradict Matthew 7:21-23 then I’m all ears. Other than that your opinions as to whether or not God is justified in His decision is irrelevant. I don’t regard the opinions of man over the word of God. Sorry
Thanks.Thanks for sharing. This is one of several revelations of yours that have made me really understand you.
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