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Are we remaining just when we show mercy?Jesus died so that God could remain just in showing mercy.
Sounds like you misunderstood me. No worries, I'm used to it.
We're getting pretty far off topic. Have you answered the topic question yet?
But why would the God that expects us to love our enemies do such a thing to his? Can't he live up to his own righteous standards? Doesn't make sense either.
But why would the God that expects us to love our enemies do such a thing to his? Can't he live up to his own righteous standards? Doesn't make sense either.
We can, if we choose to do so.Are we remaining just when we show mercy?
Sounds like you need to re-read the topic question. But anyway...Yes I did that in my opening statement. I don’t believe that anyone can possibly have a better plan than God so if he has chosen eternal punishment in hell I trust that He knows what He’s doing.
Sounds like you need to re-read the topic question. But anyway...
So, let me see if I understand the plan that you are giving your stamp of approval to.
The vast majority of all human souls have been predestined to suffer eternal conscious torment (being burned alive, but kept alive to maximize the torture) with no hope of escape. The vast majority of those having never so much as heard the name of Jesus. (countless billions)
Is that the plan you approve of? Pretty sick. But no one could have a better plan
It ain't God's plan that is messed up here. . .than that, because hey it's God, who could do better than God, right?
[Perhaps you are mistaken about God's wonderful plan. Because the plan you claim to be God's is pretty messed up.
Yes, of course. I think about this a lot and I encourage others to do likewise.I know we both want reasonable philosophy for what to believe. I think the best thing we can do is to meditate on this question.
I think UR is a better answer to that question than Damnationism, or Annihilationism.Possibly there is a difference in us punishing people for sinful acts done to us, than God punishing people for rebellion against what is good.
So, we are supposed to fool people into thinking God is kind like us, but when they finally meet him they will find out otherwise? Wow.So that we can be a light in the darkness to others leading them to Christ. Once Judgement day comes that goal is no longer applicable.
I understand that you can't wrap your head around the process. You need to do your homework if you want to understand. Links below.No I didn’t misunderstand you. If at any time everyone enters heaven then that would mean that everyone who says to Christ Lord Lord will enter heaven. He specifically said that not all of them will enter Heaven. Your saying they will. All of them.
And that's your assessment of God's believers?Yes, of course. I think about this a lot and I encourage others to do likewise.
However, most Christians refuse to give it any thought at all. They are guarding the fortress of Damnationism. They love hell and will fight anyone who dares to try to take it away from them.
I figure, if they want hell that bad, I should give it to them. - lol
When you create your own universe, you can run it by your rules.I think UR is a better answer to that question than Damnationism, or Annihilationism.
There is simply no "nice" way to incinerate someone.
I think UR is a better answer to that question than Damnationism, or Annihilationism.
There is simply no "nice" way to incinerate someone.
We do not bear the same considerations as God. We do not have to dispense with retribution in order to show mercy, we are not charged with trampling the proud or defeating evil. The cross in all of its wisdom allows God to separate sin done in ignorance from true wickedness. Our showing of mercy is not so that evil may go unpunished, but to leave room for God's vengeance. If God's vengeance is removed mercy is nothing more than an excuse for evil. When God asks us to show mercy to our enemies we do so not because we give up the idea that evil should be appropriately dealt with, but as an act of trust that God will ultimately restore justice in the universe.Are we remaining just when we show mercy?
Mercy is an option in judgment.
But judgment is not required for mercy to be shown.
Does God require us to show mercy to our enemies?
Can God measure up to his own righteous requirements?
A place can't be a concept. . .who made that rule?
Demons are definitely found in the Bible.
Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are also not found in the Bible.
Does anyone think they have anything Biblical to do with the Messiah or his resurrection. . .or that firecrackers have anything to do with midnight on Dec 31, or green with St. Patrick, or food tables with Jospeh, the husband of Mary?
What is your issue here?
You're a good guy. I like you and appreciate your openness to at least discuss it. Thanks.No nice is not a word I'd use for it. The main two reasons I believe what I do is:
1. From personal experience. I knew in my heart I wasn't going to heaven and when I repented I knew in my heart I got saved. There is always the argument that what I experienced wasn't the true picture. But I got convinced.
2. This is my understanding from the Bible.
So, when we get angry God expects us to forgive and to control ourselves. When God gets angry, it's a bloodbath. Is that right?We do not bear the same considerations as God. We do not have to dispense with retribution in order to show mercy, we are not charged with trampling the proud or defeating evil. The cross in all of its wisdom allows God to separate sin done in ignorance from true wickedness. Our showing of mercy is not so that evil may go unpunished, but to leave room for God's vengeance. If God's vengeance is removed mercy is nothing more than an excuse for evil. When God asks us to show mercy to our enemies we do so not because we give up the idea that evil should be appropriately dealt with, but as an act of trust that God will ultimately restore justice in the universe.
God is impassive. To speak of God getting "angry" is incorrect. The measures God takes in judgment are not a matter of malice or ill will against the perpetrators, but because retribution is a required dimension of justice. Are you accusing God of sin?So, when we get angry God expects us to forgive and to control ourselves. When God gets angry, it's a bloodbath. Is that right?
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