Would you glorify God if Calvinism was true?

[2PhiloVoid]

I just thought I’d take a poll on how many Christians would glorify God if they arrived in heaven only to find out that Calvinism is true and their children or their loved ones were thrown into the lake of fire because they weren’t arbitrarily chosen before creation?

I'm not concerned about it, so I didn't answer the poll.

 

[Neogaia777]

Well we’re talking about whether God was influenced in any way in His decision of whose names will be written in the book of life.

I don't think God the Father can ever be influenced by anything other than Himself and His own decision making process most of which (if not all of it) was already decided before this clock/world/reality/universe was very first started, or was made, etc.

My answer is that God wrote the names in the book of life according to His foreknowledge of those who would abide in Christ and endure to the end.

And that He already did this/decided this from before anything was ever first started or made?

Unfortunately I can’t quite say what she believes because I don’t understand it.

I didn't get it or catch it all either, but was only able to make sense of the parts that I thought I could make some sense of/about what she was saying, or was trying to say?

But this sometimes a difficult subject to talk about or try to explain, and that I can definitely understand though. I'm sure there are a lot of times, and probably many, many tines, when I think I am explaining or describing something very, very clearly, but to everyone else, I might not be, etc

God Bless.

 

[RileyG]

I have never been able to get a Calvinist to show me how he knows he was one of the 'lucky' ones God picked.
It is faith in a doctrine, and not faith in God.

I never understood double predestination, either.

 

[RileyG]

I just thought I’d take a poll on how many Christians would glorify God if they arrived in heaven only to find out that Calvinism is true and their children or their loved ones were thrown into the lake of fire because they weren’t arbitrarily chosen before creation?

I will always glorify God! Forever my mouth will sing his praise! Hallelujah!

 

[Hoping2]

Well it’s faith in hoping you were picked, faith in Christ becomes irrelevant.

All that Jesus endured becomes irrelevant.

 

[Hoping2]

You don't have to be a "Calvinist" to know that.

"The Holy Spirit bears witness (himself testifies) with our spirit that we are God's children" (Ro 8:15-16) born of God, not just born of man (Jn 1:13).

If any Calvinist were to answer me with that, I would just ask him to speak in tongues, or some other manifestation of the Holy Ghost.

Doctrine is the content of saving faith, while Jesus is the object of saving faith.
There is no saving faith without faith in Biblical doctrine (1 Tim 4:16).

Yeah, they are inseparable.

 

[NBB]

The parable of the banquet is anti calvinist.

God invites everyone to his kingdom, according to the parable of Jesus.

But some rejected it because they were going to get married, others because they had business.
Then he got angry, and sent his people to the street to bring, humble people that are in need, they won't refuse it says.
Then he went to other places and almost forced almost all he could to enter.

15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”
16 Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. 17 At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’
18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’
19 “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’
20 “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’
21 “The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’
22 “‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’
23 “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”

 

[Neogaia777]

The parable of the banquet is anti calvinist.

God invites everyone to his kingdom, according to the parable of Jesus.

But some rejected it because they were going to get married, others because they had business.
Then he got angry, and sent his people to the street to bring, humble people that are in need, they won't refuse it says.
Then he went to other places and almost forced almost all he could to enter.

15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”
16 Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. 17 At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’
18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’
19 “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’
20 “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’
21 “The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’
22 “‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’
23 “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”

I will agree with you that that is not the way an always all-knowing fully omniscient being should be. But my explanations for that is said by some or many to be bordering right on the brink/edge of blasphemy, so...?

God Bless.

 

[David Lamb]

I just thought I’d take a poll on how many Christians would glorify God if they arrived in heaven only to find out that Calvinism is true and their children or their loved ones were thrown into the lake of fire because they weren’t arbitrarily chosen before creation?

I was rather surprised that multiple choices were allowed, as the only possible answers were "Yes" and "No." Can somebody really believe both?

 

[Aaron112]

Blaspephmy and false gospels are readily accepted and believed and posted,

so why not yes and no both ?

I was rather surprised that multiple choices were allowed, as the only possible answers were "Yes" and "No." Can somebody really believe both?

 

[David Lamb]

Blaspephmy and false gospels are readily accepted and believed and posted,

so why not yes and no both ?

Well, the question was, "Would you glorify God if Calvinism were true?" I fail to see how anybody could answer both "Yes" and "No" to such a question. What you say about blasphemy and false gospels doesn't really come into it, because whether or not you believe Calvinist doctrines, the question was about what would happen if Calvinism proved to be true.

 

[Aaron112]

Non important. What would happen if a thousand false gospels proved to be true ? How could any, even one, be remotely true ? What is false cannot be found in Heaven.

 

[David Lamb]

Non important. What would happen if a thousand false gospels proved to be true ? How could any, even one, be remotely true ? What is false cannot be found in Heaven.

But that still doesn't make it possible to answer both "yes" and "no" to the question.

 

[Aaron112]

But that still doesn't make it possible to answer both "yes" and "no" to the question.

Can someone be called a christian and be a devil ? Yes, and no. Nothing here or there or anywhere is as it seems. Christian is non-christian, light is dark, the lie is called truth, and the truth is dismissed as a lie. The world is stranger than fiction, and a very very dangerous place (deadly to souls).

 

[David Lamb]

Can someone be called a christian and be a devil ? Yes, and no. Nothing here or there or anywhere is as it seems. Christian is non-christian, light is dark, the lie is called truth, and the truth is dismissed as a lie. The world is stranger than fiction, and a very very dangerous place (deadly to souls).

But the question here was "Would you glorify God if Calvinism was true?" Suppose someone who doesn't believe Calvinism answers the poll. He/she must imagine that Calvinism does turn out to be true, then say whether or not he or she would still glorify God. Surely if the doctrine turned out to be true, God should be glorified for it. Those who already believe Calvinism already glorify God (at least, those I know do), so there is not problem for them to answer Yes. I still cannot see how anyone could say "Yes I would glorify God" (and mean it), and "No I wouldn't glorify God" (and mean it). It is surely an either/or question.

 

[Strong in Him]

I just thought I’d take a poll on how many Christians would glorify God if they arrived in heaven only to find out that Calvinism is true and their children or their loved ones were thrown into the lake of fire because they weren’t arbitrarily chosen before creation?

I don't believe that could happen.

 

[BNR32FAN]

All that Jesus endured becomes irrelevant.

Christ’s sacrifice is another thing that in my opinion doesn’t seem to match with the character of God if He were to arbitrarily choose people for salvation and condemnation because you have this random choice of who will be saved and who will be condemned which seems to indicate a lack of love for the condemned, then this unfathomably generous sacrifice for the random people who were chosen to be saved. It just seems inconsistent to me.

 

[Aaron112]

Surely if the doctrine turned out to be true, God should be glorified for it.

God is not to be glorified for false teachings nor for a false gospel, so no. It simply contradicts His Word and His Way and Jesus.

 

[Aaron112]

It is surely an either/or question.

But with a false, unfathomable premise. So no, it cannot even be thought of.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You don't have to be a "Calvinist" to know that.

"The Holy Spirit bears witness (himself testifies) with our spirit that we are God's children" (Ro 8:15-16) born of God, not just born of man (Jn 1:13).

Doctrine is the content of saving faith, while Jesus is the object of saving faith.

There is no saving faith without faith in Biblical doctrine (1 Tim 4:16).

Except there the doctrine of evanescent grace which specifically teaches that some people are actually given grace and think they’re saved but later fall away from the faith.