Would Jesus deport illegal immigrants?

[Sabertooth]

Not all are 'demons' like criminals etc.

Agreed, but it is still a big security hole when we do have active national enemies.

 

[Laodicean60]

We are, but Scripture does not directly address this issue. We are left to figure out from biblical principles, reason, evidence, and practical considerations about what the best course of action is.

I stated earlier that God followed the laws of man or their desires, and Jesus criticized the religious laws "in the name of God laws". God allowed divorce because of the hardness of man's heart; Jesus allowed slavery, and we all know that's wrong, but his thoughts were about how masters and slaves should treat each other. Even having two wives was perceived as bad, but how did God perceive Abraham and David? Lot and his desires?

Jesus said Give to Ceasar, I don't see anywhere in scripture where He upended the laws of the land. His focus is summed up as Love your neighbor meaning the treatment of ALL men toward each other. What's going on in America and around the world is upsetting to God if you know his nature. I don't think God approves of his creations killing each other.

So deporting "Illegal immigrants" would be allowed by Jesus, but the treatment in some cases might be upsetting to Him.

 

[Scoutship]

A lot of immigrants are desperate for a better life, and are denied papers or delayed for years because they are poor.
A lot of granpas of current generations came to america with their clothes only.
Not all are 'demons' like criminals etc.

Most immigrants nowadays are not Christians and only come to our Christian countries to scrounge and freeload off us-
"..many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh have gone out into the world...
do not take them into your house or welcome them.
Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work" (2 John 1:7-11)

 

[SavedByGrace3]

If they bring their flag with them they need to go home.

 

[com7fy8]

A lot of immigrants are desperate for a better life, and are denied papers or delayed for years because they are poor.

But I have read that they might pay ten thousand dollars to a cartel and/or coyote to get them even only partway. I suppose if they can raise ten thousand dollars, that could be used where they are to make things better or nicer. So, I am curious about this.

A lot of granpas of current generations came to america with their clothes only.

Understood. And by Jesus casting out "demons", I do not mean such people . . . or ones who sneak over but are not cartel and other enemy people.

But in case someone is able to raise ten thousand dollars, that family member could be more good at home, not only financially but for a role model for the children and spouse and neighbors.

Not all are 'demons' like criminals etc.

Thank you for reminding us of this. I would not expect Jesus to cast out family-character people.

 

[timothyu]

If they bring their flag with them they need to go home.

This be true. Even legal immigrants today seem to have the notion they can bring, not just their culture (which is ok), but their country's politics with them. If you run away from home why bring what caused you to leave with you? There is already enough political nonsense here. But as Jesus said, give back to Caesar what is Caesar's. That is a worldly problem that those of the Kingdom need not dispute. Man cannot solve man's problems because man uses the same methods to solve as what created the problem in the first place. As for the rest of us, we are to simply love all as self, including the riff raff. Had you grown up in their shoes, how would you act now? God will take out the trash even though we are tempted to do it for Him. But just as we must follow God's laws, the immigrants must follow ours. In both cases, there are consequences.

 

[com7fy8]

Most immigrants nowadays are not Christians and only come to our Christian countries to scrounge and freeload off us-

I am in Massachusetts, near the Rhode Island border. The Hispamics I see are apparently good workers. And they can have men with their families when they are shopping.

Ones are known for being industrious and family culture people.

Of course, not all of any group are alike.

"Most" are not Christians?? I suppose not, which would maybe make them like others in the United States. Citizens can be freeloaders, right? . . . including by not doing their jobs well and just taking their paychecks and welfare. Have we not had a deadbeat president or two???? So, why do ones want to pick on border crossers who could be saving us a lot of money on food prices, among other items?

Perhaps ones who get to Massachusetts are more determined and ingenious, versus ones who cross and plop at the border.

Why guess?

I am learning Spanish so I can share God's word and help people like I understand Jesus wants us to do with family and friends and enemies.

While I was living with the street homeless as a missionary experiment, a guy propositioned me. In Hispanic I said something like, "Why do you disgrace your mother? I respect her because I love her."

So, yes there are enemies. But it is special when I discover I am speaking Hispanic with a Christian person.

 

[timothyu]

"A Christian person" is just another political label. Why not do As Jesus said before there were what we call Christians and be accepting based on if they follow God's will of His 2nd Commandment, whether they know it or not. This applies to 'Christians' also. A name means nothing if they don't follow the two commandments.

 

[sanderabeer]

I stated earlier that God followed the laws of man or their desires

This statement has theological issues.

Jesus criticized the religious laws "in the name of God laws".

I don't understand what you mean by this.

God allowed divorce because of the hardness of man's heart; Jesus allowed slavery, and we all know that's wrong, but his thoughts were about how masters and slaves should treat each other. Even having two wives was perceived as bad, but how did God perceive Abraham and David? Lot and his desires?

It is not clear what this has to do with deporting illegal immigrants. Are you suggesting that deporting illegal immigrants is immoral but God allows it? Are you suggesting that illegal immigration is immoral but God allows it? Are you suggesting something else?

Jesus said Give to Ceasar, I don't see anywhere in scripture where He upended the laws of the land.

The Conquest of Canaan.

His focus is summed up as Love your neighbor meaning the treatment of ALL men toward each other. What's going on in America and around the world is upsetting to God if you know his nature. I don't think God approves of his creations killing each other.

So deporting "Illegal immigrants" would be allowed by Jesus, but the treatment in some cases might be upsetting to Him.

You are saying Jesus would allow the deportation of illegal immigrants because some illegal immigrants are murderers, correct?

If so, that's a very America centered view of things. It's the "America first" mentality. This usually means "America only." This mentality is not biblical. If the Gospel is for all mankind, then it must be for all mankind and not just Americans.

The problem with a lot of American Christianity, more specifically a lot of American Evangelical Christianity, is that it is so inwardly focus that it excludes Christian brothers and sisters outside. It expects non-American Christians to conform to American Christianity.

 

[sanderabeer]

Most immigrants nowadays are not Christians and only come to our Christian countries to scrounge and freeload off us-
"..many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh have gone out into the world...
do not take them into your house or welcome them.
Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work" (2 John 1:7-11)

Got a source for that?

I asked because a report in Christian Post says that your claim is wildly off.

Source: Most immigrants vulnerable to deportation identify as Christian: report

 

[sanderabeer]

If they bring their flag with them they need to go home.

Maybe we should start by putting ours down. Then we can take up our cross and follow Jesus.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Maybe we should start by putting ours down. Then we can take up our cross and follow Jesus.

Very profound. You win!

 

[Scoutship]

Scoutship said:
Most immigrants nowadays are not Christians and only come to our Christian countries to scrounge and freeload off us-
"..many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh have gone out into the world...
do not take them into your house or welcome them.
Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work" (2 John 1:7-11)

Got a source for that?

I asked because a report in Christian Post says that your claim is wildly off.

Source: Most immigrants vulnerable to deportation identify as Christian: report

I've never seen a copy of the Christian Post and don't care two hoots what they say.
As for sources, it's common knowledge that immigrants come to scrounge off us, one of their tricks is to pretend to be Christians so the misguided do-gooders will roll out the red carpet for them..-

 

[Scoutship]

..I am learning Spanish so I can share God's word...

Good for you mate, the Spanish are a great Christian people, they and El Cid kicked the muslims out of Spain after a 700-year campaign..

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Israel was certainly a 'launch pad' for the subsequent spreading of Christianity worldwide..
Paul said -"For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' (Acts 13:47)

So I was thinking ... What about those who are illegal everywhere? Wouldn't Jesus be drawn to them specifically?

What would Jesus think of a nation that would cast such people out?

 

[timothyu]

What would Jesus think of a nation that would cast such people out?

He was specific. God's will will be done in earth as it is in Heaven. No more human control or governments. We have proven time and time again that we are inept and incapable of self regulation.

 

[MarkSB]

interesting oints.

As Christians we do not say that we should allow people below a certain level of income - to rob banks.

False equivalencies. A person fleeing to another country because of poverty, war, or otherwise, and attempting to live and work peacefully in that country, is hardly equivalent to someone trying to rob a bank (which is usually a violent act).

 

[Sabertooth]

People who do have criminal or martial intentions will seek to avoid detection, however.

 

[Scoutship]

Scoutship said:
Israel was certainly a 'launch pad' for the subsequent spreading of Christianity worldwide..
Paul said -"For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' (Acts 13:47)

So I was thinking ... What about those who are illegal everywhere? Wouldn't Jesus be drawn to them specifically?
What would Jesus think of a nation that would cast such people out?

If anybody rejects him, Jesus wants nothing more to do with them, and neither does God, they had their chance..-

 

[timothyu]

If anybody rejects him, Jesus wants nothing more to do with them, and neither does God, they had their chance

"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do:"