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Would God give us an indication when Satan is chained?

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Linda8 said:
Very Good.

Since Christ does not use murder and torture and acts of evil in his mode of teaching and guidance and since Satan the MURDERER loves to kill and murder, that clearly means that Christ cannot be imitated by acts of murder and evil .

That means during Satan's attempts to imitate Christ with murder, Satan will not project a holy image but will appear as an evil abomination.

Therefore Satan can not reproduce the Holy loving acts of Christ since Satan

needs to murder and torture to succeed.

Easy to differentiate and spot the murdering Satan, and He cannot imitate Christ.

Please read my posts more carefully. For yes, Satan will project a false image for the AC as if he is loving.

YES - IT is a false image, and in time, the evil will show clearly.
 
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FreeinChrist said:
Please read my posts more carefully. For yes, Satan will project a false image for the AC as if he is loving.

YES - IT is a false image, and in time, the evil will show clearly.
Another point is that the Bible teaches ONLY ONE way of Christ's return.


That poses another huge problem for the evil one, since He cannot

duplicate that, so He will have a severe handicap to start with.
 
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Christ's return:

(Rev 19:11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

(Rev 19:12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

(Rev 19:14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

(Jude 1:14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Satan's appearance:

(Rev 6:2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

(Rev 9:16) And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.​

Not a perfect imitation, but how many Christians will know the difference?
 
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Linda8 said:
Another point is that the Bible teaches ONLY ONE way of Christ's return.

That poses another huge problem for the evil one, since He cannot

duplicate that, so He will have a severe handicap to start with.
Well, Linda, I am pretrib. I believe the church will be gone when the AC makes his entrance on the scene. Those that are left include the wicked, who have no clue how Christ is suppose to return, and those who haven't heard about Christ. They won't know either.

 
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RVincent said:
Christ's return:




(Jude 1:14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,


Satan's appearance:



(Rev 6:2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.



(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

(Rev 9:16) And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.


Not a perfect imitation, but how many Christians will know the difference?
(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

(Rev 9:16) And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Rev 9:16 for example, speaks of mass murder and holocaust level activity

so that would never help the AC.

17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths

People who never took the Bible seriously WOULD IMMEDIATELY wake up

because that would be a sure sign that the rest of the events that

have been prophesised would surely take place.
 
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Well, Linda, I am pretrib. I believe the church will be gone when the AC makes his entrance on the scene. Those that are left include the wicked, who have no clue how Christ is suppose to return, and those who haven't heard about Christ. They won't know either.
I typically hesitate to make any conclusions about being taken away

especially since Christ is still yet to come in Rev 16:16 even when the AC has amassed his armies etc

Rev 16:14 to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame


Still not on earth yet....
 
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(Rev 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

What comes out of a person's mouth Linda8?

Words. The fire, smoke, and brimstone of lies and deception causing spiritual death.

(Rev 12:15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Unless one believes in a water-producing snake, this is a flood of lies.

But I find this interesting:

Linda8 and I disagree on the method of the antichrist, but seem to agree that we will be here.

FreeinChrist and I agree on the method of the anitchrist, but disagree on when the gathering back to Christ takes place.

Neat, huh? :p
 
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RVincent said:
(Rev 9:18) By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

What comes out of a person's mouth Linda8?

Words. The fire, smoke, and brimstone of lies and deception causing spiritual death.

(Rev 12:15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Unless one believes in a water-producing snake, this is a flood of lies.

But I find this interesting:

Linda8 and I disagree on the method of the antichrist, but seem to agree that we will be here.

FreeinChrist and I agree on the method of the anitchrist, but disagree on when the gathering back to Christ takes place.

Neat, huh? :p
That is the interesting angle to the Word. The multiplicity of issues results

in partial agreements and disagreements.

However, there is one thing about the anti christ's method's that you have not clarified.

If the anti christ does not use violence and initimidation, how does He get people to FEAR his government etc.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
 
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(Rev 13:4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Do you know why nobody will be able to make war with him?

(1 Th 5:1-3) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. {2} For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. {3} For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The cry isn't war, the cry is peace.

(Dan 8:25) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
 
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I think I may just be repeating what has already been said, but to sum up my position on this, I think that Satan can physically appear as he wishes and people will be decieved by this. Only the end results would differentiate between him and Christ. eg Satan can direct someone to read the Bible but also direct to a different meaning of the words and thus a different end result (disagreement, confusion, conflict)

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Memes said:
I think I may just be repeating what has already been said, but to sum up my position on this, I think that Satan can physically appear as he wishes and people will be decieved by this. Only the end results would differentiate between him and Christ. eg Satan can direct someone to read the Bible but also direct to a different meaning of the words and thus a different end result (disagreement, confusion, conflict)

Memes
And this means is not already chained down in the pit and shut in and sealed there, as some imply.

The topic of the thread is will we know when that happens. We will as it happens at the Second Coming.
 
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Hi Memes,

Those that look for a "millennium" wherein Satan, is bound/chained (when the wolf and lamb feed together, Isa. 65:25), obviously are unaware there will be sin and sinners there...

Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the SINNER being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

They clearly are unaware that is describing, the present age!

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JT said:
Lucifer will not be bound without a fight.
Hi JT,

The fight is over, Michael and his angels prevailed...

Revelation 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Micheal and his angels "fought" against the dragon; and the dragon "fought" and his angels,

8 And prevailed not neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which "deceiveth" the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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In the Light of Truth
Volume 3 - Chapter 35 - The Mystery of Lucifer (A small part)



Both the principle of "letting oneself go" and of temptation are so closely connected that
temptation must without doubt precede "letting oneself go". The latter is thus a direct
following and spreading of the Lucifer principle.

The true physician of the soul does not need to tear down. He recognises the slumbering
good qualities, awakens them and then builds upon them. The true principle brings about a
transformation of wrong desires through spiritual understanding!

The application of his loveless principle, however, quite naturally seperated Lucifer
more and more from the Loving Will of the Almighty Creator,causing him to be cut off and cast out from the Light. Consequently he fell ever deeper. Lucifer is one who has severed himself from the Light, which is equivalent to having been cast out.

This expulsion was also bound to occur according to the existing Primordial Laws, the irrevocable Holy Will of God the Father! It could not possibly happen otherwise.

Since only the Will of God the Father, the Creator of all things, is omnipotent, and is also firmly anchored in material Creation and its development, Lucifer can quite well send his principle into the material sphere, but the resulting affects will always and only operate within the Primordial Laws ordained by God the Father and must form themselves accordingly!

Thus, in pursuit of his erroneous principle, Lucifer can encite men to set out on a road dangerous to them, but he is unable in any way to force men into something unless they themselves decide on it voluntarily!

In fact Lucifer can only lure! But man as such stands more firmly in material Creation than he does, therefore with much greater security and power than any influence Lucifer could ever yield over him. Thus every man is so well protected that it is a tenfold shame upon him if he permits himself to be enticed by this power, which is a relatively weaker power than his! He should remember that Lucifer himself stands outside the material sphere, while he himself is firmly rooted in familiar soil!

In order to apply his principle Lucifer is forced to make use of his auxiliary troops, composed of human spirits who have succumbed to his temptations!

The spirit of every man striving upwards is not only fully able to deal with them, but is far superior in strength. One single, serious volition suffices to make an army of them vanish without a trace, providing their enticements meet with no response or approval to which they can cling.

Lucifer would indeed be quite powerless if mankind would make the effort to recognise and follow the Primordial Laws given by the Creator. Unfortunately, however, men increasinglysupport the wrong principle through their present behaviour, and the greater part of them will have to perish!

It is impossible for any human spirit to fight a battle against Lucifer himself for the simple reason that, owing to the difference in nature of their species, it cannot penetrate to him. The human spirit can only come in contact with those who have fallen through the wrong principle because they are basically of the same species.

The origin of Lucifer requires that only one who is of the same or of a higher origin can personally approach and face him, and so none other can penetrate to him. It must be a Divine Envoy, armed with the sacred seriousness of His Mission and with perfect trust in the Source of All Power, in God the Father Himself!

This task has been delegated to the propesied Son of Man!

The combat will be a personal one, face to face, not only a general symbolical one, as many investigators want to interpret from the prophecies. It is the fulfilment of the promise given in Parsifal. Lucifer has wrongly used the "Holy Spear", the Power, and through his principle inflicted a painful wound with it upon humanity and thus the spear of Spiritual Substantiality. The Spear will be wrested from him in this combat. Then, in the "proper hands", that is, by applying the true Grail principle of pure, severe love, it will heal the wound previously inflicted by it while in the wrong hand, that is, through its wrong use.

Through the Lucifer principle, that is, through the wrong application of Divine Power, which is the same as the "Holy Spear" being wielded in the wrong hands, a wound that cannot heal has been inflicted upon the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality. In the legend this thought is portrayed in striking manner, for the happening does resemble an open wound that will not heal.

It should be realised that the human spirits, as unconscious spirit germs or sparks, leap or flow over the lowest region of Spiritual Substantiality into material Creation! The expectation is that these outflowing particles, having been awakened and developed to a persobal consciousness during their wanderings in the World of Matter, will return thereafter to the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality in order to complete their cycles. This is similar to the circulation of the blood in the physical body.

The Lucifer principle, however, diverts a large portion of this circulating spiritual stream. Thus the neccessary cycle cannot be closed, the result being a weakening as from the continual draining of an open wound!

When now the "Holy Spear", ie, the Divine Power, is wielded in the proper hand, acting according to the Will of the Creator and showing the right way to spiritual substance which constitutes an animating factor in Matter, thereby leading it upwards to the point of its origin, to the luminous Kingdom of God the Father, the spiritual substance will no longer becaome lost, but will flow back to its origin as blood does to the heart. As a result, the exuding wound, which up to then weakened the Sphere of Spiritual Substantiality, will be closed! Thus the healing can only take place through the same spear as inflicted the wound!

To achieve this, however, the Spear must first be wrested from Lucifer and come into the proper hand, and this takes place in the personal combat between Parsifal and Lucifer!

The further battles which extend into the Etheral and Gross material Worlds are but the after effects of this one great combat, which must bring about the promised binding of Lucifer and herald the beginning of the Millenium! They mean the extermination of the consequences of the Lucifer principle!
 
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So we are looking at a global war to take place in the near future. The actions of Russia and China suggest that an all out attack and the subsequent destruction of America (Babylon) is not far off.

And don't take the line that you have more money than them. Money doesn't win wars, weapons do. They have a lot more, your forces are overstretched and underfunded, not to mention disarming completely. And they are sure as hell deceptive, hateful and crazy enough to do it.

Mark my words, get educated

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Gary777 said:
I agree with lady goodnews here:
IN Hebr. 2:14 it says: "Seeing, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, he himself also in like manner did take part of the same, that through death he might destroy him having the power of death--that is, the devil--"

Also, jesus himself declares that "i have been given all power in heaven and earth" etc.

therefor we know that satan is powerless and bound already, but we must execute our autorithy in order to "spoil his goods".

Christianity is not a drama where we are spectators and god and the angels and satans army are the actors. We are the once that are supposed to act here in the binding of evil. "Whatever we bind on earth...etc".
Lets stop waiting for a binding or anything else. Lets put "all His enemies as a fotstool under his feet", cause thats what HE is waiting on.
And how do we go about putting "all His enemies as a footstool under His feet"?
 
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Hi Gary,

Good point!

Notice, the Seventy knew the devils were SUBJECT unto them, through the name of Jesus...

Luke 10:17 And the Seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are SUBJECT unto us "through" thy name.

18 And He said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

19 Behold, I give unto you POWER to tread on serpents and scorpions, and OVER ALL the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.


The children of darkness (Satan), appear to have more "discernment" than many of the children of light (Church)...

Acts 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, "exorcists," took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits "the name" of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you 'by' Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

14 And there were seven sons of one Sce'-va, a Jew, and chief of the priest, which did so.

15 And the evil spirit "answered" and said, Jesus I KNOW, and Paul I KNOW, but who are ye?

16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and "overcame" them, and PREVAILED against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

It can not be any plainer ...

Matthew 18:19 Verily I say unto you, "whatsoever" ye shall BIND on Earth shall be BOUND in Heaven: and "whatsoever" ye shall LOOSE on Earth shall be LOOSED in Heaven.

Jesus, spoke the truth!

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FreeinChrist said:
We can know when Satan is chained and put in the bottomless pit. The Second Coming is shown in Rev. 19:11-21.

Following this, in Rev. 20 we see the chaining of Satan into the bottomless pit for 1000 years while Christ reigns on earth for 1000 years with the saints. Then Satan is loosened for alttle while.

Let’s look at this closer:

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut {it} and sealed {it} over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

He is bound, in the abyss, the abyss is shut and sealed over him.

Did this happen at the first advent? Paul and Peter don’t think so:

1Pe 5:8 Be of sober {spirit,} be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.1Pe 5:9 But resist him, firm in {your} faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.

How can Satan prowl around if he is bound, and shut into the abyss which is sealed?

1Th 2:18 For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and {yet} Satan hindered us.

How could Satan hinder Paul if he is bound and shut into the abyss?
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

How could Paul deliver these who over to Satan if Satan is bound in the abyss, which is shut and sealed?

And we are cautioned by Paul to arm ourselves against spiritual forces of evil in Ephesians.

Now Hebrews says this:

Hbr 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, Hbr 2:15 and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.

This does not say that Satan was bound at that time…but that Satan has been rendered powerless over death…for Christ can raise from the dead!!

Now some claim that this verse shows Satan has already been thrown down and bound:

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

But this refers to the fact that Christ was in heaven when Satan fell from grace! So we may not actually see it…but we will know when it happens!

Apparently this needed to be said again.

Trying to apply the verse in regards to the church being able to bind and loosen to Rev. 20 is just plain bad hermenuetics which ignore the pesky details, IMHO.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut {it} and sealed {it} over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

This is a chaining and inprisoning into the pit, and he is shut in and it is sealed over.... during which Satan cannot deceive the nations.

Yet after the death and resurrection of Christ, we see in scripture that Satan is still active on this earth and in the air:

1Pe 5:8 Be of sober {spirit,} be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1Th 2:18 For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and {yet} Satan hindered us.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

And note - demons are the devil, Satan. They are ruled by him, but are not the same as him.


So if Satan has been chained since Peter and Paul were writing and teaching....when did this occur?

Now the expected response is "we won't know cause we won't see it" ...... which leads to the OP question....and my post above. :)
 
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After the servants of God are SEALED...

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, TILL we have "sealed" the servants of our God in their foreheads.


The Fifth Trumpet...

Revelation 9:1 AND the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the KEY of the "bottomless pit."

2 And he opened the "bottomless pit;" and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but ONLY those men which have NOT the "seal" of God in their foreheads.

5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the "bottomless pit," whose name in the Hebrew tongue is A-bad'-don, but in the Greek tongue hath his name A-pol'-ly-on.

Satan, is the King/Prince over the demons, LOOSED from the "bottomless pit," during the tribulation.

Another timing reference, the "two witnesses" which "pre-trib" Dispensationalist, proclaim are on the earth and martyred during the tribulation...

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have "finished" their testimony, the Beast that ascendeth out of the 'bottomless pit" shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Obviously the 1000 years is over, because (Rev. 20:3), say he is bound till the 1000 years should be fulfilled, then LOOSED a "little season."

The "little season" is the sixth seal and fifth trumpet, after the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads.

The Sixth Seal...

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were SEALED: and there were SEALED an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the children of Israel.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great muntitude, which no man could number, of ALL nations, and kindred, and tongues, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.

Standing before the throne, and before the Lamb...the Great White Throne Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15)!

Then Cometh, THE END (Matt.24:3, 1 Cor. 15:24)!

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