Would God give us an indication when Satan is chained?

[FreeinChrist]

Still bad hermenuetics which ignore the pesky details, IMHO. And avoids the question...

After the death and resurrection of Christ, we see in scripture that Satan is still active on this earth and in the air:


1Pe 5:8 Be of sober {spirit,} be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.


1Th 2:18 For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and {yet} Satan hindered us.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

So if Satan has been chained since Peter and Paul were writing and teaching....when did this occur?

Now the expected response is "we won't know cause we won't see it" ...... which leads to the OP question....and my post above.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Still bad hermenuetics which ignore the pesky details, IMHO.

Wonder how good hermenuetics interpret the pesky details of, the Beast (Satan/Dragon), ascending out of the "bottomless pit" (after the 1000 years are finished), during the "GreatTribulation," to make war with the "two witnesses," the Kingdom / Reign of Jesus, and the Great white throne Judgment, ALL "before" (Rev. 20)?


Revelation 11:1 AND there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not: for it is given to the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto My "two witnesses," and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The Beast "ascendeth" out of the Bottomless Pit...

7 And when THEY shall have finished their testimony, the Beast that "ascendeth" out of the Bottomless Pit shall make WAR against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The Beast (Satan/Dragon) was LOOSED after the 1000 years were finished (Rev. 20:7-10)!

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of Life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And the heard a great voice "from" heaven saying unto them, COME UP HITHER. And they "ascended" up TO Heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand and the REMNANT were affrighted, and gave glory to the god of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


The Seventh Trumpet...

Revelation 11:15 And the Seventh Trumpet sounded; and there were great voices IN heaven, saying, The Kingdoms of this world are BECOME the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His christ; and He shall reign forever.

16 And the four and twenty Elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and HAST REIGNED.

Notice, HAST REIGNED!

Great White throne Judgment...

18 And the nations were angry, and thy WRATH is come, and the TIME of the Dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest "give" REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, "and" to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the Earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was SEEN in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Lady Goodnews

 

[FreeinChrist]

Still bad hermenuetics which ignore the pesky details, IMHO. And avoids the question...

After the death and resurrection of Christ, we see in scripture that Satan is still active on this earth and in the air:


1Pe 5:8 Be of sober {spirit,} be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.


1Th 2:18 For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and {yet} Satan hindered us.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

So if Satan has been chained since Peter and Paul were writing and teaching....when did this occur?

Now the expected response is "we won't know cause we won't see it" ...... which leads to the OP question....and my post above.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Still bad hermenuetics which ignore the pesky details, IMHO. And avoids the question...

After the death and resurrection of Christ, we see in scripture that Satan is still active on this earth and in the air:


1Pe 5:8 Be of sober {spirit,} be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.


1Th 2:18 For we wanted to come to you--I, Paul, more than once--and {yet} Satan hindered us.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

So if Satan has been chained since Peter and Paul were writing and teaching....when did this occur?

Now the expected response is "we won't know cause we won't see it" ...... which leads to the OP question....and my post above.

Wrong!

My response, I believe what I read in the Bible, and "do not" need to SEE it...

For We walk by FAITH, "not" by SIGHT (2 Cor.5:7)!

Lady Goodnews

 

[mylene]

So if Satan has been chained since Peter and Paul were writing and teaching....when did this occur?

Now the expected response is "we won't know cause we won't see it" ...... which leads to the OP question....and my post above. [/color][/size][/size][/color][/size]

What do you mean by when did this occur?
What is the indicator you seek that tells when it occurred?

Basically, does the Bible tell you about any indicators and if so please expand on them.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Wrong!

My response, I believe what I read in the Bible, and "do not" need to SEE it...

For We walk by FAITH, "not" by SIGHT (2 Cor.5:7)!

Lady Goodnews

You are playing dodgeball, Lady Goodnews.


Avoiding the question ...

So when did the 1000 year reign begin, LG? As Satan was not chained up in Paul and Peter's time...and that happens before the 1000 years commences...when did the 1000 years start?

 

[FreeinChrist]

What do you mean by when did this occur?
What is the indicator you seek that tells when it occurred?

Basically, does the Bible tell you about any indicators and if so please expand on them.

Please see post #99.

 

[mylene]

Please see post #99.

What kind of answer do you seek..., scriptural or physical?

 

[FreeinChrist]

mylene, I already have the scriptural answer in Rev. 19 and 20.

You see, as Paul and Peter both wrote of Satan as roaming the earth and causing problems, it is clear that Satan was not bound in the pit, being shut in and sealed over, at the first advent. Yet h is bound during the 1000 years....so, we are not in the 1000 years.

I asked those questions to make a point, mostly.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

You are playing dodgeball, Lady Goodnews.

Avoiding the question ...

So when did the 1000 year reign begin, LG? As Satan was not chained up in Paul and Peter's time...and that happens before the 1000 years commences...when did the 1000 years start?

Hi FreeinChrist,

I may not know when the 1000 years started, but I know when it ended...(Rev. 9:2,11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:7-10)!

Lady Goodnews

 

[FreeinChrist]

Hi FreeinChrist,

I may not know when the 1000 years started, but I know when it ended...(Rev. 9:2,11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:7-10)!

Lady Goodnews

And when did it end?

 

[Lady Goodnews]

And when did it end?

When the thousand years were expired (Rev. 20:7, 9:2,11; 11:7; 17:8)!

Please answer two questions:

[1] Do you believe the Beast, that ascended out of the bottomless pit (Rev. 11:7), is Satan?

[2] Who is the King/Angel over the bottomless pit (Rev. 9:11)?

Thanks,

Lady Goodnews

 

[FreeinChrist]

When the thousand years were expired (Rev. 20:7, 9:2,11; 11:7; 17:8)!

You wrote "were expired". So when did they expire?

You referenced one scripture that does address what happens at that time...but if you are writing of it as past, then when?

 

[Arc]

FreeinChrist,
I would define satan being bound so that he can no longer deceive the nations (gentiles) this way:

Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death--that is, the devil-- 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. 17For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

We no longer have an acuser (satan).

Heb 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

How can we have clear consciences if satan is devouring us? Since we have a clear conscience, since satan is no longer our acuser before God and through Jesus blood we are clensed. This makes satan powerless, correct? ("Who will bring a charge against His elect") Satan is bound in that he can no longer decieve the nations. That is what his binding entails. The power of sin (satan) is the through the law aka "deception" (Rom 7:11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. )

1 Cor 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Since though Christ we are no longer under law but under Grace satan can no longer decieve those who are "in Christ"
Rom 8
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

So who are those that satan does have power over? The non-elect (those who live according to the sinful nature...listen to their father the devil)

Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

So who gets devoured? The elect? No, the non-elect ( 2 Thes 2:9-12)

Remember, Revelation 20 says "He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended."

 

[FreeinChrist]

Arc, I think you are missing the point here.

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut {it} and sealed {it} over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.


Now in Hebrews, it is made clear that Christ took on the nature of man in order to provide salvation for mankind, which hasn't been done for angels.
Yes, He renedered powerless the devil in regards to death - He conquered death, rose again.

But Satan is not bound in the Abyss, shut in, sealed over as stated in Rev. 20 as Lady Goodnews claims. He was out about the earth in Peter and Paul's day, and he still is. He has been able to deceive the nations the past 2000 years. Look at out history!

So Lady Goodnews says she doesn't know when Satan was bound...but she knows when the 1000 years ended? This is the same type of vagueness and inconsistency I see in preterists.

 

[Covenant Heart]

On another thread, we raised the matter of how the church does her theological work. We said that the "prooftexting" approach to Biblical studies is rooted in secular, linguistic philosophy and tends to reduce revealed truth to propositional truisms which are then forced to bow to the principles of Aristotelian thought. Since the Greco-Roman mind still influences Western thought, this approach has an appeal. But it too easily pits Scripture against Scripture forcing us to choose which texts we allow to shape a doctrine in question. But others do Biblical studies on the premise that Scripture reveals patterns of teaching (2Ti 1:13) and theological work calls us to find and relate many streams of Biblical witness on subjects in ways that preserve and correlate those patterns. This second path synthesizes the broader witness in a way that retains Biblical balance and proportion and produces theological work with great integrity. We gave example of this in our recent post at http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1952404#post1952404 . And we believe that the same applies in Satan’s binding.

Editorial Note: The intent in the above was not to say that our post is a work of such great theological integrity; far from it! The intent was to say that the method recommended--not that this member's post--is to be preferred for the quality of work it produces. Please forgive the terrible wording!

Job’s story exposes the fallacy of casting the exercise of satanic power as an "either/or" proposition. Yahweh lets Satan touch Job’s life deeply, but he is bound in that he cannot touch Job (Jo 1:12). Later, Yahweh extends Satan range of activity to take Job’s health; but still, he cannot take Job’s life (Jo 2:6) and in that sense was still "bound."

The Job prologue offers us a rare but important glimpse into this issue. What it shows is that the operation and binding of Satan’s power are not antithetical states of being. In Job’s life and circumstances, Satan’s power is operative and yet curbed in the discretionary providence of God. No, our Greco-Roman epistemological presuppositions don’t handle this well; but this just wasn’t a problem to the Hebraic mind. And once the coexistence of Satan’s power and limitations is seen to work in Job’s case, it is no problem to extend the analogy to include other people, groups of pepole and even whole nations.

Job shows the while real, Satan’s power has real limits, and that these are not contrary truths but complementary parts of one doctrine. To shun imbalance and extremism, to retain health and perspective, we must hold both parts together. Job shows that Satan’s power and his limits are complementary aspects of the providence of God. It is in that context that suffering has meaning–for Job and for us! Clinging either to the power or limitations of Satan exclusively does poor theological work and produces distortion that is at once injurious to the church.

In first path thinking, this is unexpected. What could Job possibly have to do with Satan’s binding? But second path thinking doesn’t doubt for a moment that Peter remembers Job as he writes that "the Devil... prowls like a roaring lion, looking for a victim to devour" (1Pe 5:8). This surely echoes Satan’s word to Yahweh, "I have been going back and forth across the earth, watching everything that's going on" (Job 1:7). It’s the same devil, same action and same agenda at work.

If stated less clearly, this model finds support in Genesis. The enmity between the serpent and the woman’s seed foresees ongoing malice (Ge 3:15). The striking of the heel shows that Satan is not helpless; yet the crushing of the serpent’s head says that he cannot prevail. Ge 3:15 shows that Satan’s power remains operative over the generations. But in indicating Satan’s work, God’s promise also hems in the serpent’s power. He can destroy neither the woman nor her seed (as he cannot destroy Job). Indeed life will continue–if very different than before. Labour is painful; the earth is jealous of her riches; Adam must toil to live. But live he will–and his seed. The Genesis prologue indicates the reality and the limits of Satan’s power. This Biblical account of the fall is a paradigm in which subsequent Scripture and history is to be read. In every age, God’s providence licenses and limits Satan’s power.

God never acquiesced his claim to this world. The Psalmist proclaimed the opposite (Ps 95; 100). That these were liturgical texts calling Israel to worship shows that worship celebrates God’s ascendancy. But were the whole enchilada Satan’s, such worship would be a mockery of God’s impotence! Still, the Psalmist knew the reality of Satan’s attack (1Ch 21) as is seen also in Ps 22; 78 and 106. Adam, Job, David–all of them experienced both the reality and the limits of Satan’s power.

This is beautifully consistent with Jesus’ instructions that his disciples pray to be delivered from the evil one (Mat 6:13). The reality and the limits of Satan’s power are affirmed. The discretionary powers which Yahweh exercises in Job’s case still apply today. So we pray that we be led not into temptation but rather delivered from evil. This was not new; it is just that the disciples–like we ourselves–were slow to see it. Jesus’ teaching affirms the reality and the binding of Satan’s power. And this is profoundly important for the Christian pathos, the shaping of a Christian spirituality. We live lives of faith out of that model.

While addressed in apocalyptic, the binding of Satan’s power is rooted in the Christ’s mediatorial dominion as executor and administrator of God’s grace by his work on the cross. The High Priest’s prayer stood in the closest relationship to the sacrifice offered. Jesus’ High Priestly prayer explicates the intent of that sacrifice. His prayer was not that they be take out of the world but that God protect them from the evil one" (Jo 17:15) that they–sanctified by the ministry of the word (vs. 17)–may become witnesses to God in the world (18, 21 cf. Ma 28:18-20 and Lu 24:47-49). Again, Satan’s power is real but it is truly bound. Christ’s prayer links his sacrifice to the preservation of the elect from the evil one. This High Priestly prayer is as vital to his ministry as his sacrifice on the cross. The Father’s acceptance of this petition to curb Satan’s power is imperative to our salvation. If the Father’s ear closes to our High Priest’s petition, the prayer fails, the sacrifice is rejected and all of us face an eternity of separation from God in a devil’s hell.

We note also that Jesus’ High Priestly prayer anticipates Pentecost. The theme of world-wide witness is clear in Jo 17. The command to go to the nations was perfected (completed) with the outpouring of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. Jesus’ High Priestly prayer calls for the preservation of the elect in those days of witness (Jo 17:20-23). And it is because Satan’s power is remains operative that they need keeping. (On to Part II)

 

[Covenant Heart]

We now have some perspective for considering Re 20. John does refer to Satan’s being bound and cast into a sealed pit. We must honour this without detracting from other readings. We must affirm all that Re 20 says. But John does not say that Satan’s binding means that he is made essentially impotent. He does not contrast roaming and binding. That imposes our conjecture on the text. The epexegetical purpose-result clause introduced by "hina" "i[na mh. planh,sh| e;ti ta. e;qnh" (so that he may not mislead the nations") explains this binding. He does not say that Satan has no power or servants, that Satan cannot roam, cannot tempt, cannot incite, cannot attack or even that he cannot deceive. All that goes beyond the text. Satan’s binding is defined bsolely in terms of his ability to deceive the nations as was earlier so. Since that is all which John in Re 20 says, we must let the matter must rest there.

If we insist upon pushing Re 20 beyond stated limits, then it becomes necessary to countervene other texts relevant to God’s providence. But grant that Re 20 refers specifically and exclusively to Satan’s power to deceive nations and the difficulty is removed. And as Re 20 defines Satan’s binding in respect to his power to deceive the nations, we may ask if Scripture confirms this in other places. We believe that it does.

Yahweh took Abram from the house of Nahor and Terah in order to teach him to live by faith in his promise (Jos 24:2). And other nations? They were left to their idols! Yahweh revealed his promise to Israel (Ro 3:1-2), but he gave his laws to no other nation (Ps 147:20). Other nations were not so singularly blessed (De 4:32-40). They did not know God’s promises (Ep 2:12). Without the knowledge of God, the nations were condemned to ignorance. They were without God and without hope in the world (Ep 2:12). Satan had free reign among them. But that was not the final word!

There has come a change. On the people that walked in darkness, the light shines (Is 9:2), and this light was for all the nations to see (Jos 4:23; Ps 22:27; 72:17-19, 98:2-3 117:1; Is 60:1-3; Lu 2:32; Ro 15:9-12). This change comes as the knowledge of God is made known to the nations as the church publishes the command to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. Paul confirms the rightness of this reading. It is in reference to Gentile conversion by faith in Christ that the gospel was preached to Abraham saying, "all nations will be blessed through you" (Ga 3:8). Where God in earlier days allowed all nations to go their own ways (Ac 14:16) overlooking their ignorance, he now commands all to repent (17:30).

The church is commissioned by Christ and empowered by the Spirit to take the command to repent to all nations (Lu 24:46-47; Ma 28:18-20). In Ma 28:19, "sun" (therefore) makes the declaration that all authority in heaven and on earth belongs to Christ an integral part of the gospel and of the commission. If Satan’s power is in no way bound, then the announcement of Christ’s mediatorial (He 8:1) dominion (Ep 1:20-21) from God’s throne is meaningless. If Satan’s binding is solely future and he has unrestricted sway over all nations, then we cannot proclaim Jesus’ ascendancy as him who holds all authority and power on God’s throne as the commission requires. This also divests him of his deity.

In the Genesis prologue, in the life of men and nations, in David’s devotions, in Israel’s worship, in Christ’s mediatorial work as High Priest and in the great commission, both the operative reality and the binding of Satan’s power in God’s providence are affirmed. And we believe that the extension of gospel light to the nations has sufficient import to honor the requirement of Re 20 regarding Satan’s binding.

Job and Peter portray Satan as a stalking lion bent on finding prey. It is important to see that Satan stalks among us. But the ministry of Christ on the cross and his session to the throne of God founded a new order. It may be helpful to extend the analogy of the stalking lion. Imagine a den so constructed that one can walk on a path among the lions in the den safely. The den design puts barriers between you and the animals. But not all parts of the den are safe! The barriers are effective only so long as you stay on the path where no lion can harm you! But suppose that an exhausted animal keeper at the day’s end is tempted to take a shortcut. It would not stray far from the path, and it would make the walk much shorter and far easier. And the lion seems quiet...sleepy.

All of us recognize this. And it is in just such circumstances that we are tempted to take shortcuts, to shave edges and squander integrity–just a bit...just this once. No. It is for just this that Peter’s admonitions were written. The den is the world. The barriers in the den is the work of Christ that curbs Satan’s power to hurt us–if we stay on the path, which is the pathway revealed by the word of God. Satan’s power is real, but bound. The more faithfully and freely that we publish and live by the gospel light, the more Satan’s ability to deceive is diminished.

However real, Satan’s power never was outside God’s providence. Satan’s power is real when Pharaoh pursues Israel to the Sea, but his power is limited when Pharaoh himself is destroyed. Satan’s power is real when Daniel is thrown in the den, but his power is limited when the lions cannot kill him. In the wanderings of Abraham, Jacob and Joseph, the same story is told time and again. Job and Esther declare this theme. The NT witnesses the same truth. The road to hell is broad, and its gate is wide (Ma 7:13), but hell’s gates will not prevail against us (Ma 16:18). Satan is called the mighty prince of the power of the air (Ep 2:2), but Christ rescued us from the ruler of the kingdom of grunge (Co 1:13); we live under his domination no more (Ep 2:2; Ro 6:1-13)! Yes, the world rages against God and his people (Ps 2; Ac 4:25-29), but what can said powers do to us (Is 50:8-9 cf. Ro 8:33-34)? Kill us? Even then, we conquer overwhelmingly through him. (Ro 8:37)!

Rather than pitting one class of texts against another with Aristotelian logic as our guide, we integrate each aspect as complementary parts of the doctrine of the providence of God. The case for the binding of Satan’s power to deceive nations rests not on either group of texts but on a display of mutual cooperation between all classes of texts in the Genesis prologue, in the patriarchal era and in Israel’s history and worship. It culminates with Christ’s work and enthronement in glory, from where he pours out his Spirit to guide and keep a holy church that continues the ministry that he began. That is to say–the doctrine arises from the nature of God’s ways with us. Right or wrong, we believe that the second way does better theological work.

And if we are wrong? Build a better paradigm!

Those who persevered through this lengthy post are urged strenuously to read devotionally the battle hymn of the Reformation, "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" where Martin Luther expounds the binding of Satan’s power in the providence of God with theological mastery and liturgical eloquence. This is our faith. Blessings!

Covenant Heart

 

[Curt]

The easy way,
Isa 28:6-11
6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.
7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
(KJV)

 

[FreeinChrist]

Lady Goodnews -

You wrote "were expired" in regards to the 1000 years. So when did they expire?

You referenced one scripture that does address what happens at that time...but if you are writing of it as past, then when?

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Hi Covenant Heart,

Thank you, for that EXCELLENT exposition, on the binding of Satan!

Lady Goodnews